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Bouncing Bear Botanicals... how worried should I be?
#11988654 - 02/08/10 03:19 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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Is there any chance the feds will seize the contact information of BBB and possibly target those addresses... I'm very paranoid at the moment.
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Alan Rockefeller
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Re: Bouncing Bear Botanicals... how worried should I be? [Re: Anonymous #1]
#11989071 - 02/08/10 04:13 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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On a scale of 1 to 100.... 0
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Re: Bouncing Bear Botanicals... how worried should I be? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#11990714 - 02/08/10 07:38 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think you're overly optimistic Alan. I'd guess the chance is less than 5%, but it's certainly still there.
What they likely would do is send an email to local law enforcement for people that ordered large quantities in the past 1-2 months. The local law could then harass/investigate them if they had nothing better to do. (Many don't)
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Re: Bouncing Bear Botanicals... how worried should I be? [Re: fastfred]
#11990982 - 02/08/10 08:13 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have never heard of customers getting harassed when a supplier goes down.
I agree that they could send an email that alerts the local police, but I have never heard of that happening.
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Re: Bouncing Bear Botanicals... how worried should I be? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#11992934 - 02/09/10 12:57 AM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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what exactly would do they sell that would be grabbbin the attention of people high up anyhow???
i mean its mostly entho type stuff..i mean salvia is illegal in some areas and stuff. but its mostly pretty legal stuff am i correct?
well i guess i just read something about a raid at bbb??? did not know this..new to me.
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Re: Bouncing Bear Botanicals... how worried should I be? [Re: nowwhoutthink]
#11993628 - 02/09/10 06:53 AM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have bought a lot from BBB in the past and no problems what so ever.
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Re: Bouncing Bear Botanicals... how worried should I be? [Re: Anonymous #1]
#11993883 - 02/09/10 08:15 AM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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i'd say its minimal...and if one looks at the charges, one can determine what products might get flagged.
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Re: Bouncing Bear Botanicals... how worried should I be? [Re: Anonymous #1]
#11994100 - 02/09/10 09:18 AM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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Anonymous said: Is there any chance the feds will seize the contact information of BBB and possibly target those addresses... I'm very paranoid at the moment.
maybe if you order huge amounts of sched 1 containing cacti or mimosa from them and live in kansas.
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Re: Bouncing Bear Botanicals... how worried should I be? [Re: 2859558484]
#11994127 - 02/09/10 09:24 AM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
wowitch17 said:
maybe if you order huge amounts of sched 1 containing cacti or mimosa from them and live in kansas.
i guess im still confused, how are they able to go after these cacti all of the sudden. There still not illigal
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Re: Bouncing Bear Botanicals... how worried should I be? [Re: RamblinRose]
#11994636 - 02/09/10 11:12 AM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sure the risk is minimal. But it's also minimal effort for them to fuck with you by alerting the local LEOs.
Just because we don't hear much about those sort of things doesn't mean they don't happen. It's exactly the sort of thing they would never disclose. It's not enough for a warrant so there's no point in bringing it up if they do use if to find something they can use to get a warrant.
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Re: Bouncing Bear Botanicals... how worried should I be? [Re: fastfred]
#11999065 - 02/09/10 10:35 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thank you for your inputs.
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Re: Bouncing Bear Botanicals... how worried should I be? [Re: Anonymous #1]
#12002621 - 02/10/10 01:52 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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You buy me a uG capacity analytical balance from balances.com, I'll take care of your situation with bouncing bear. I'll also drive your non-illegal goods directly to your location.
(preferably the Sartorius LE26P)
 
Really though, watch the news for things that may give you cause to think public interest will spike, (i.e. Strike on dateline), interest in your product.
Until then, and during then, and after then, don't use your address. Get creative, or don't get creative and use a clean friend on a need-to-know or a P.O. Box through a relative on a need-to-know). If you don't have anything incriminating in your place, probably not worth the worry anyway. There are enough other criminals in the drug field out there with MUCH higher profiles to attract the attention you seem to be worried about.
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Edited by numonkei (02/10/10 01:57 PM)
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Re: Bouncing Bear Botanicals... how worried should I be? [Re: numonkei]
#12005532 - 02/10/10 09:36 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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The following happened in a completely different jurisdiction and was a questionable operation under local law as well, so take it with an extra big grain of salt and don't get completely paranoid because of it. Still, i'd like to share this piece of arbitrary bullshit with you, as it is pretty interesting (and alarming) regarding how law enforcement operates in grey areas of narcotics laws.
One and a half years ago, the cops busted a German vendor for selling GBL and seized his computer, with all the adresses from people who ordered from him. Now, GBL, unlike GHB, isn't illegal under German law, as long as it is not intended for human consumption. However, the cops got search warrants for hundreds of customers who had ordered large amounts of GBL (in almost any case because they where heavily addicted) on the basis that these people where probably planning to produce GHB, for which GBL is a precursor. Doors where busted, media outrage about "date rape drugs ordered over the internet" ensued, computers where seized, charges where filed when paraphernalia for recreational GBL use where found, like syringes for measuring out doses. In many cases, other illicit substances where found as well (mostly small amounts of weed or amps), with additional consequences. Pressed with potential GHB production charges, many users admitted to being heavily addicted to GBL, which usually cost them their drivers license ("hard drug" addiction is a viable cause for that under German law). Some of them where searched again a few weeks ago, without any apparent reason.
In my opinion, the entire operation was an attempt to scare users and make them cautious of ordering semi-legal drugs from online vendors. Whether this was the intend or not, it worked out this way.
Please don't get freaked out about the whole thing, but be cautious. I hope that your state acts a little bit less retarded and is not interested in busting the customers, but i still wanted to share this.
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Re: Bouncing Bear Botanicals... how worried should I be? [Re: Lizardman]
#12008055 - 02/11/10 10:07 AM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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Here's a question- I recently ordered 56g MHRB from BBB. VERY recently.
Now I want to order a 2lbs MHRB from another vendor so when everyone stops selling it, I'll have a decent supply.
Is it possible that they're watching my purchases, and will bust me for a large MHRB purchase from another vendor?
Edited by Anonymous (02/11/10 10:07 AM)
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Re: Bouncing Bear Botanicals... how worried should I be? [Re: Anonymous #2]
#12008919 - 02/11/10 12:59 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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No thats not how they work.
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Re: Bouncing Bear Botanicals... how worried should I be? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#12014679 - 02/12/10 09:29 AM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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Of all posters, Alan doesn't require validation.
I'd like to set your mind at ease though. For one, a kilo of MHRB is going to be all the DMT you'll ever need (uhhh...I imagine? I know it's more DMT than I'll ever likely smoke)
And for two, there are scores of sites selling entheogens on the net, and each of those sites has scores of customers, many sites have hundreds or thousands of customers and some of the biggest ones like BBB have dozens of thousands of customers who make purchases.
You're fine dude.
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Re: Bouncing Bear Botanicals... how worried should I be? [Re: Humility]
#12017479 - 02/12/10 05:54 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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Keep in mind that I haven't read this thread, I'm giving you 100% what I think...
My guess is that they will look at the records...what reason would they have NOT to? However, they won't bother going after individuals who bought small amounts of stuff for personal use. If people kept coming back and back, buying 100's of cacti in bulk...maybe it would be something to look at.
But, as an average orderer...no sweat.
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Re: Bouncing Bear Botanicals... how worried should I be? [Re: RasJeph]
#12020765 - 02/13/10 09:49 AM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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Honestly wouldn't worry about it. Unless, as posted above, you are ordering huge mass quantities of stuff.
Even then, electronic records aren't a crime. You'd have to be stock piling the stuff...and attracting attention yourself
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Re: Bouncing Bear Botanicals... how worried should I be? [Re: jordantyler]
#12024471 - 02/13/10 10:05 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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even if you was stock piling 1000 tons of HWBR, Mimosa Hostilis and san pedro they still can't get you for anything....
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Re: Bouncing Bear Botanicals... how worried should I be? [Re: Anonymous #1]
#12080319 - 02/22/10 09:18 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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a good mail order site shouldn't be keeping any records. marc emery seeds direct shredded everything and nuked emails immediately after shipping so there was nothing to find when they were busted.
if there's shipments addressed and lying around during the bust, the DEA will email or mail the recipient a fake letter claiming they need to wire more money to receive the package (entrapment). they did this to marc emery seeds but nobody fell for it
i would imagine a major repeat or big order customer would be investigated but probably nothing comes of it. usually they are just satisfied with the big mail order show bust (because another one will take it's place immediately) and forget about the customers its not worth the effort
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