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 Fraud does not disprove a phenomenon 
#11975406 - 02/06/10 01:26 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yet the following confirmed frauds/misidentification were pointed to by tens of thousands to millions believers as very strong evidence of something strange:
Cottingsley Fairie photos
Lockness Monster silhouette
8mm Bigfoot footage
Marfa Lights
Gulf Breeze Sightings
Phoenix Lights
Crop Circles
Cattle Mutilations
Alien abductions/implants
Face on Mars
Sylvia Browne / John Edward / James Von Praahg
and many hundreds more.
No, this does not disprove paranormal/UFO phenomenon, but these were all at some point sited as BEST EVIDENCE by large groups of people!
These people/events/evidence were not minor players, but often the backbone of many beliefs. If best evidence fails, why should one look towards third or fourth best evidence?
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deCypher
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Does the existence of dishonest businessmen make the existence of honest businessmen improbable?
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Icelander
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 Re: Fraud does not disprove a phenomenon [Re: deCypher]
#11975651 - 02/06/10 02:08 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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There's honest businessmen?
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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deCypher
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Re: Fraud does not disprove a phenomenon [Re: Icelander]
#11975658 - 02/06/10 02:09 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Cynics, all of you, cynics. 
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Re: Fraud does not disprove a phenomenon [Re: deCypher]
#11975666 - 02/06/10 02:11 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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 Not me, I believe in death anxiety.
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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OrgoneConclusion
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Re: Fraud does not disprove a phenomenon [Re: deCypher]
#11975670 - 02/06/10 02:12 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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If a large organization of business professionals point to CEO John Smith as the most honest businessman they know - and he turns out to be a major embezzler, then the rational conclusion is that the Smith believer's judgment was very poor or made major assumptions.
Same with all the paranormal followers and their pet phenomenon.
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deCypher
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The gullibility of people and the deceptive manipulation of so-called gurus does not deny the validity of non-materialistic experiences.
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Re: Fraud does not disprove a phenomenon [Re: deCypher]
#11975707 - 02/06/10 02:20 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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No but the evidence does.
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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deCypher
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Re: Fraud does not disprove a phenomenon [Re: Icelander]
#11975712 - 02/06/10 02:21 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Depends upon which type of experiences you're talking about; care to narrow the field a little? Meditative and entheogenic experiences can induce feelings of absolute transcendence and Awareness... why not sober experiences too?
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OrgoneConclusion
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Re: Fraud does not disprove a phenomenon [Re: deCypher]
#11975729 - 02/06/10 02:23 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mu list was to externally observable events. Why the sudden topic switch to internal events as somehow relevant?
Are you on drugs or summin'?
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deCypher
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Internal events are very relevant to externally observable events as reality determines perception with our subjective reality tunnels.
But yeah, I'm pretty much  .
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i love you guys
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Icelander
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Re: Fraud does not disprove a phenomenon [Re: deCypher]
#11976123 - 02/06/10 03:31 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
deCypher said:
Depends upon which type of experiences you're talking about; care to narrow the field a little? Meditative and entheogenic experiences can induce feelings of absolute transcendence and Awareness... why not sober experiences too?
Ice cream can induce "feelings" too. What's your point? The brain is capable.
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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