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    #11976014 - 02/06/10 03:10 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I've been reading a lot about peyote consumption and the 'peyote religion' of native americans/mexicans for a religion class, and I was wondering. Would a tripper have greater revelations(such as greater in depth) if he/she were educated(say a bachelors degree) versus a tripper with a high school education?

If the answer to the above question is yes, then what kind of revelations do you think one with a phD would have on an intense spiritual trip?

EDIT: So we've established that you don't necessary need to go to college to be educated. Okay, so speaking in terms of intelligence/rather than education. What is your new opinion?


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Re: Tripping and Education level(exist independently?) [Re: Neuron]
    #11976024 - 02/06/10 03:12 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I do not think the revelations themselves would be greater so much as the ability to articulate those revelations.

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Re: Tripping and Education level(exist independently?) [Re: Neuron]
    #11976025 - 02/06/10 03:12 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

How could you know for sure unless you were both very educated and not educated at all?


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Re: Tripping and Education level(exist independently?) [Re: RipVanWinkle]
    #11976034 - 02/06/10 03:14 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

what a stupid, elitist sounding question...

the short answer? A BIG FAT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

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Re: Tripping and Education level(exist independently?) [Re: greenspectral]
    #11976048 - 02/06/10 03:16 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

An educational degree means either talent or persistence.  These can exist independently from academic institutions, and pure book-learned knowledge will do nothing for your trips apart from help articulate it better, like MM said.  College can teach you the power of free thinking, though, which would be helpful when deciding how to work with whatever epiphanies you've realized while blasting into the farthest reaches of DMT hyperspace.


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Re: Tripping and Education level(exist independently?) [Re: deCypher]
    #11976165 - 02/06/10 03:37 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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An educational degree means either talent or persistence.  These can exist independently from academic institutions, and pure book-learned knowledge will do nothing for your trips apart from help articulate it better, like MM said.  College can teach you the power of free thinking, though, which would be helpful when deciding how to work with whatever epiphanies you've realized while blasting into the farthest reaches of DMT hyperspace.




Cool, yeah this is what I meant. Thanks


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Re: Tripping and Education level(exist independently?) [Re: Neuron]
    #11976178 - 02/06/10 03:40 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Some folks are free thinkers without ever going to college and some go through college and never become free thinkers; but college can teach those abilities.

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Re: Tripping and Education level(exist independently?) [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #11976186 - 02/06/10 03:42 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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Some folks are free thinkers without ever going to college and some go through college and never become free thinkers; but college can teach those abilities.




I agree :smile:


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Re: Tripping and Education level(exist independently?) [Re: greenspectral]
    #11976198 - 02/06/10 03:44 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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what a stupid, elitist sounding question...

the short answer? A BIG FAT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.



Can I do experiments on you? :lol:
It involves copious amounts of drugs. :awesome:


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Re: Tripping and Education level(exist independently?) [Re: Neuron]
    #11976217 - 02/06/10 03:48 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

from my experience, college doesn't really emphasize free thinking at all. on the surface it may promote 'free thinking' merely as an afterthought, but the underlying reality is that it is a program of indoctrination for the most part, reinforcing conventions of thought, and conformity to the capitalist paradigm at all costs.

a true free thinker, a revolutionary thinker, is not what the academic system promotes at all.

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Re: Tripping and Education level(exist independently?) [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #11976223 - 02/06/10 03:49 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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greenspectral said:
what a stupid, elitist sounding question...

the short answer? A BIG FAT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.



Can I do experiments on you? :lol:
It involves copious amounts of drugs. :awesome:




the second part i like alot, you got some werk for me???

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Re: Tripping and Education level(exist independently?) [Re: greenspectral]
    #11976234 - 02/06/10 03:50 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I find college actually managed to make most people I have known closed minded.  Education and intelligence can exist independently without a doubt.  And, you'd have to be crazy to say if you're intelligent your trips won't be more in depth with more revelations.


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Re: Tripping and Education level(exist independently?) [Re: bbl337]
    #11976277 - 02/06/10 03:55 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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I find college actually managed to make most people I have known closed minded.  Education and intelligence can exist independently without a doubt.  And, you'd have to be crazy to say if you're intelligent your trips won't be more in depth with more revelations.




i agree.

i call those type of people SCHOOLHEADS.

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Re: Tripping and Education level(exist independently?) [Re: greenspectral]
    #11976291 - 02/06/10 03:57 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I don't see the relevance between being able to handle a drugs effects and being educated. At all. DMT has been used by shamans and have apparently been enlightened or some shit.

Being intelligent may make you more aware, but it does NOT make it more profound

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Re: Tripping and Education level(exist independently?) [Re: feifen]
    #11976311 - 02/06/10 04:00 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Education level and level of spiritual experience during a trip have NOTHING to do with each other. Whatsoever.

One may even argue that one with a PHD may even have a less spiritual trip, due to being indoctrinated and set in certain pre-conceived notions. College can open minds, but show me where that is the RULE, cause it's not.


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Re: Tripping and Education level(exist independently?) [Re: greenspectral]
    #11976325 - 02/06/10 04:01 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

A chemical cannot give you "truths".  Psychedelics cannot introduce new concepts into your brain, they can only work with what is already there.
I propose that with an education, there is more to work with, and even if you're still just as clueless in the big picture as the next guy, with an education your brain will work faster and more intelligently and enable higher thought.


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Re: Tripping and Education level(exist independently?) [Re: NWlight]
    #11976331 - 02/06/10 04:03 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

That's a logical fallacy. A formal education does not necessarily = smarter.
And psychedelics can certainly help introduce new ideas to the brain or broaden perception levels.


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Re: Tripping and Education level(exist independently?) [Re: NWlight]
    #11976352 - 02/06/10 04:06 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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A chemical cannot give you "truths".  Psychedelics cannot introduce new concepts into your brain, they can only work with what is already there.
I propose that with an education, there is more to work with, and even if you're still just as clueless in the big picture as the next guy, with an education your brain will work faster and more intelligently and enable higher thought.




typical schoolhead line of thinking.

"with an education"...yeah the education Babylon specifically dictates to you.

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Re: Tripping and Education level(exist independently?) [Re: greenspectral]
    #11976374 - 02/06/10 04:10 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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typical schoolhead line of thinking.

"with an education"...yeah the education Babylon specifically dictates to you.




Really? You would disagree that getting an education stimulates your brain and gives you more ability than a non-educated person?  :laugh2:

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Re: Tripping and Education level(exist independently?) [Re: deCypher]
    #11976389 - 02/06/10 04:13 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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An educational degree means either talent or persistence.  These can exist independently from academic institutions, and pure book-learned knowledge will do nothing for your trips apart from help articulate it better, like MM said.  College can teach you the power of free thinking, though, which would be helpful when deciding how to work with whatever epiphanies you've realized while blasting into the farthest reaches of DMT hyperspace.




Quoting in case some people missed it.


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