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OfflineCoaster
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How is Bullfighting legal WTF its so inhumane
    #11958181 - 02/04/10 12:08 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

why must they torture and torment the poor dood
cockfighting and bullfighting seems to be a regional thing i think we should boycott those countries
at least sometimes the bulls do some damage


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Re: How is Bullfighting legal WTF its so inhumane [Re: Coaster]
    #11958210 - 02/04/10 12:13 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Unless you are a vegetarian you're talking out of your ass.  The way we use animals is fucked up in general, if you want to stop it though you can start by giving up meat.


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Re: How is Bullfighting legal WTF its so inhumane [Re: Coaster]
    #11958213 - 02/04/10 12:13 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

don't we eat those?


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Re: How is Bullfighting legal WTF its so inhumane [Re: Coaster]
    #11958242 - 02/04/10 12:16 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Its part of another peoples culture.

It is cruel in my opinion but im sure there things that you and I do that others would disagree with so who are we to judge.


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Re: How is Bullfighting legal WTF its so inhumane [Re: fapjack]
    #11958269 - 02/04/10 12:19 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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fapjack said:
Unless you are a vegetarian you're talking out of your ass.  The way we use animals is fucked up in general, if you want to stop it though you can start by giving up meat.



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fapjack said:
Unless you are a vegetarian you're talking out of your ass.  The way we use animals is fucked up in general, if you want to stop it though you can start by giving up meat.




but aint it true that if you didnt see the animal get killed, and didn't play any part in the killing with your own hand, that you can eat meat with a clean conscience?


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Re: How is Bullfighting legal WTF its so inhumane [Re: fapjack]
    #11958278 - 02/04/10 12:20 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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fapjack said:
Unless you are a vegetarian you're talking out of your ass.  The way we use animals is fucked up in general, if you want to stop it though you can start by giving up meat.




there is an enormous moral difference between slaughter for consumption and slaughter for entertainment


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Re: How is Bullfighting legal WTF its so inhumane [Re: laserpig]
    #11958297 - 02/04/10 12:22 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

They eat the meat of the bulls they use most of the time, if not all the time.

At least this is what I saw when I saw a bullfight, the meat was cut up and sold soon after the event.


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Re: How is Bullfighting legal WTF its so inhumane [Re: laserpig]
    #11958303 - 02/04/10 12:22 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

if people quit eating meat and just killed a few bulls for fun, there would be alot less blood shed though...i dont see a difference in the morality of those two


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Re: How is Bullfighting legal WTF its so inhumane [Re: Coaster]
    #11958318 - 02/04/10 12:25 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Luzianna has legal cockfightin'

having been around plenty of chickens, they're retarded beasts and I don't feel too bad for 'em


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Re: How is Bullfighting legal WTF its so inhumane [Re: Doctor_Dick]
    #11958341 - 02/04/10 12:27 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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fapjack said:
Unless you are a vegetarian you're talking out of your ass.  The way we use animals is fucked up in general, if you want to stop it though you can start by giving up meat.



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fapjack said:
Unless you are a vegetarian you're talking out of your ass.  The way we use animals is fucked up in general, if you want to stop it though you can start by giving up meat.




but aint it true that if you didnt see the animal get killed, and didn't play any part in the killing with your own hand, that you can eat meat with a clean conscience?


More creatures die and are killed more inhumane in the harvesting of veggies than eating meat. When they harvest in some areas the population of man animals goes down quite a bit :sad:


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Re: How is Bullfighting legal WTF its so inhumane [Re: Mchaggis]
    #11958355 - 02/04/10 12:29 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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Luzianna has legal cockfightin'

having been around plenty of chickens, they're retarded beasts and I don't feel too bad for 'em



:ilold:


this is very very true.


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Re: How is Bullfighting legal WTF its so inhumane [Re: laserpig]
    #11958389 - 02/04/10 12:33 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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fapjack said:
Unless you are a vegetarian you're talking out of your ass.  The way we use animals is fucked up in general, if you want to stop it though you can start by giving up meat.




there is an enormous moral difference between slaughter for consumption and slaughter for entertainment



Human beings could live without eating meat if we really wanted to, we eat meat because its tastes good, we enjoy meat, they enjoy killing shit.  Really not much of a difference in my opinion.  Its like if comparing killing a homeless person to steal his coat or killing a homeless person because of boredom.  End of day he's still dead.


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Re: How is Bullfighting legal WTF its so inhumane [Re: Doctor_Dick]
    #11958407 - 02/04/10 12:37 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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if people quit eating meat and just killed a few bulls for fun, there would be alot less blood shed though...i dont see a difference in the morality of those two



domestication of livestock goes back to the dawn of our species -- symbioses with food animals is arguably a defining characteristic of humanity
meat protein is and always has been a valuable food source, and so long as the livestock populations can be kept healthy and treated with sufficient respect, there is nothing immoral about eating meat per se

the fact that modern livestock practices have gotten out of hand and become shamelessly exploitative is not morally representative livestock cultivation in general
we don't need to stop eating meat, we need to start treating our meat more respectfully -- there's a difference

that said, there is no respectful way to slaughter an animal for entertainment
whether the meat of a bull is sold after the fight is largely irrelevant -- the fact is that the animal was made to suffer for a long period of time, because people wanted to see it suffer for a long period of time

if you actually can't discern the logic of that line of argument, i think you've got a pretty warped idea of what counts as moral


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Re: How is Bullfighting legal WTF its so inhumane [Re: fapjack]
    #11958422 - 02/04/10 12:38 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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Human beings could live without eating meat if we really wanted to





not as healthy as they would if they did eat meat


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Re: How is Bullfighting legal WTF its so inhumane [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #11958452 - 02/04/10 12:41 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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not as healthy as they would if they did eat meat



are you sure?
to my understanding, intelligent fruit, nut, and grain cultivation can meet 100% of human nutritional needs -- but if you know of something which discounts that view, i'd be happy to see it


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Re: How is Bullfighting legal WTF its so inhumane [Re: laserpig]
    #11958463 - 02/04/10 12:42 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Its part of their culture, therefore it is NOT inhumane.
Duh.


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Re: How is Bullfighting legal WTF its so inhumane [Re: laserpig]
    #11958533 - 02/04/10 12:51 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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Doctor_Dick said:
if people quit eating meat and just killed a few bulls for fun, there would be alot less blood shed though...i dont see a difference in the morality of those two



domestication of livestock goes back to the dawn of our species -- symbioses with food animals is arguably a defining characteristic of humanity
meat protein is and always has been a valuable food source, and so long as the livestock populations can be kept healthy and treated with sufficient respect, there is nothing immoral about eating meat per se

the fact that modern livestock practices have gotten out of hand and become shamelessly exploitative is not morally representative livestock cultivation in general
we don't need to stop eating meat, we need to start treating our meat more respectfully -- there's a difference

that said, there is no respectful way to slaughter an animal for entertainment
whether the meat of a bull is sold after the fight is largely irrelevant -- the fact is that the animal was made to suffer for a long period of time, because people wanted to see it suffer for a long period of time

if you actually can't discern the logic of that line of argument, i think you've got a pretty warped idea of what counts as moral



well im a vegetarian so i'm gonna say theres something morally wrong with slaughter of animals in any way...

as humans then maybe our next step to evolution is to stop eating meat and realize we need to move away from it...we dont need it...we can get all proteins vitamins and amino acids from other sources instead of eating the meat, and then all the grain wasted on livestock could go to the hungry and needy


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Re: How is Bullfighting legal WTF its so inhumane [Re: Doctor_Dick]
    #11958568 - 02/04/10 12:58 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

i have a hard time feeling that all slaughter is immoral, mainly because predatory animals are often so beautiful

furthermore, it is only a prejudice of communication which leads us to believe that plants are insensate while animals are not

biology is a "mutual eating society" -- forms which eat forms, eat forms which eat forms
vegetarianism is one manifestation, meat-eating is another


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Re: How is Bullfighting legal WTF its so inhumane [Re: laserpig]
    #11958583 - 02/04/10 01:01 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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not as healthy as they would if they did eat meat



are you sure?
to my understanding, intelligent fruit, nut, and grain cultivation can meet 100% of human nutritional needs -- but if you know of something which discounts that view, i'd be happy to see it




all we need can come from plant sources but the logistics would be a
nightmare, not every market has the availability for the variety we'd
need and most couldnt possibly carry it all, many who grow their own
would be malnourished... simply eating a few eggs would remedy it to
some degree but then we have those that woulnt eat eggs


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Re: How is Bullfighting legal WTF its so inhumane [Re: Doctor_Dick]
    #11958599 - 02/04/10 01:03 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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as humans then maybe our next step to evolution is to stop eating meat and realize we need to move away from it...we dont need it...we can get all proteins vitamins and amino acids from other sources instead of eating the meat





except that many come from animal sources even in their pill form, unless
of course you know of something so widely grown and easily distributable
that it can be made available to everyone


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