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InvisibleSubGen1us

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Re: Why cold shock? [Re: Hippie3]
    #1197940 - 01/07/03 12:20 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)

so its just a tek for stubborn cakes. i realize the dunk tek is used with the cold shock but isnt that for after the 1st flush? or rehydrating a dryed out cake.

basically wat im say is if u have the right conditions witch dont cause it to dry out or be stubborn.

if u follow ur teks correctly and use right temps and everything correct would u really end up with a stubborn cake?


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Re: Why cold shock? [Re: SubGen1us] * 1
    #1198021 - 01/07/03 12:44 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)

Cubensis eats substrate best at 86 F. The further you drop the temperature from that temp, without passing a critical temp that kills, the faster you stop it from EATING. When the mycelium stops eating and is exposed to light, oxygen it begins to pin.

Going from 86 to 75 may not be significant enough to immediately trigger fruiting. The mycelium may continue to feed until the OTHER stimuli trigger fruiting. So cold shocking may speed up fruiting, as several members here have stated.

My concern with it would be an extension of the lag time between frutings due to the GREATLY decreased temperature exposure initially, and then the maintainance at lower temps then optimum for growth rate. It seems to me it would be better to only slightly lower temps, and combine it with the OTHER stimuli to get fruits. It may take longer to get the first flush, but it MAY ALSO take less time to get the second, third, fourth, etc....

I never cold shock cubensis, NEVER needed to. Just trying to see the benefits and ways them against any pitfalls.

I don't grow cakes either.

Definetly can see it being beneficial for STUBBORN CAKES or CASINGS that refuse to Stop vegetating regardless of exposure to the other STIMULI. The Mycelium has to STOP growing to fruit.

Dropping temps 10 degrees is not the same as dropping it 40 degrees. The former just slows down the growth. The latter can STOP IT. Once the mycelium stops growing it starts the pinning process, after a short lag to GET READY. COLD SHOCK could make this happen faster. If it does, like wise it can make the in between flush period, LONGER. Temps beneficial to fruiting are Lower then temps beneficial to growing(eating). The mycelium gathers nutrients in FEEDING mode, stores them, and uses them to develope the first and second flush. Then it has to feed some more to make more pins and develope them. This is why I think Cold shocking might speed up pin sety, but slow down the time in between flushes.

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Re: Why cold shock? [Re: Hamurabi]
    #1198962 - 01/07/03 06:34 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)

"i have to disagree with shroomologist! i made a test a few weeks ago! i birthed 3 cakes and cold shocked other 3. a few days later the cold shocked cakes were pinning"

Did you also dunk, or did you just cold shock them??

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InvisibleSubGen1us

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Re: Why cold shock? [Re: On_the_Down-Low]
    #1198967 - 01/07/03 06:39 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)

Well lets see it. wat where the temps expain the process so we know.


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Re: Why cold shock? [Re: ]
    #1199012 - 01/07/03 07:16 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)

Cool thats a fair bit of info Teonan.Pretty much what i
was thinking but explained a lot better :smile:

So in future ill save it for those real stubborn cakes
that stall.As i dont dunk i shall avoid that step.

subgenius do you keep killi fish?

Another thing though is you say teonan that mycelium
is most dynamic at 86?f is this the temp you incubate at?
as ive been incubating at 80?f.

Definatly feel more intune with the temps now
Thanks for this tread Sub :smile:


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InvisibleSubGen1us

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Re: Why cold shock? [Re: G a n j a] * 1
    #1199048 - 01/07/03 07:38 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)

right now i just got a pair of jack dempseys that im breeding till i getr my new place. Ganja there have been tests done that show wat the best times are. ill find em tomarrow when im not fuct up. i know 86 is best incubation time and 74 is best fruiting(for cubes). temp is a critical issue for simulating the perfect enviroment.
i got to go peace.


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Re: Why cold shock? [Re: On_the_Down-Low]
    #1199099 - 01/07/03 08:06 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)

i did not dunk! i just cold shocked as i said :smile:

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Re: Why cold shock? [Re: ]
    #1199270 - 01/07/03 11:41 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)

i think i'd tend to agree with teonan's assesment, it fits all the available evidence that i've seen over the years.
and yes, there really are stubborn cakes that refuse to fruit via normal methods within a reasonable time. fortunately they are fairly uncommon in most strains.


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Re: Why cold shock? [Re: Hippie3]
    #1199422 - 01/08/03 02:28 AM (21 years, 6 months ago)

Teonan definitely knows his stuff. I've read lots of his posts and always been impressed.

Take his advice, and stick to the optimum temps along with other fruiting triggers.


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