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Freeze Precipitation method
    #11947024 - 02/02/10 10:22 AM (14 years, 30 days ago)

So SWIM has been trying to make DMT using the freeze precipitation method and has found that putting just a few drops of water in their glass dish, before putting the naphta in and freezing, has helped form crystals and greatly increases yield. Could this be just a fluke or could this method actually work?

Sorry if my grammar and language is poor, I'm terrible at writing out ideas.

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Re: Freeze Precipitation method [Re: HambuHodo]
    #11947055 - 02/02/10 10:29 AM (14 years, 30 days ago)

I don't understand why this would happen.. at all. Honestly.

I mean, I'm not the best chemist out there, but I know that in the form it's in, it no longer is soluble in water... and there would be no reason for it to increase the yield, seeing as the water doesn't contain any extra DMT.

My understanding for freeze percip is the way the crystals form and the speed. Freezing causes less oils and fats and other things to be captured in the crystal.

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Re: Freeze Precipitation method [Re: Dead Souls]
    #11947066 - 02/02/10 10:31 AM (14 years, 30 days ago)

SWIM has heard a lot about seed crystals to aid in forming larger crystals, but had no DMT to seed. So he thought maybe the freezing water could substitute as a seed. He is willing to accept that its either a fluke or not working at all, but anecdotaly it seems to aid in the formation in larger and more crystals.

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Re: Freeze Precipitation method [Re: HambuHodo]
    #11947088 - 02/02/10 10:36 AM (14 years, 30 days ago)

Well.. my question would be what percentage of those crystals are pure DMT, if you're adding water to it?

To me... if fats, oils, and solutions can get encapsulated in the crystals... and water freezes at that temp...
Could your buddy's added crystal size just be water?

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Re: Freeze Precipitation method [Re: Dead Souls]
    #11947110 - 02/02/10 10:40 AM (14 years, 30 days ago)

SWIM dries out the crystals in a room temperature area after the percip. If there was any water left over, it should melt then evaporate. At least that's SWIM's idea

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Re: Freeze Precipitation method [Re: HambuHodo]
    #11947118 - 02/02/10 10:42 AM (14 years, 30 days ago)

Yes, I considered that after I posted.

How are his crystals? Waxy, oily like? Or solid?

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Re: Freeze Precipitation method [Re: HambuHodo]
    #11947127 - 02/02/10 10:44 AM (14 years, 30 days ago)

The crystals are an off white and solid, and when scraped they are powdery. When smoked they give all the normal effects of DMT, including smell.

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Re: Freeze Precipitation method [Re: HambuHodo]
    #11947136 - 02/02/10 10:47 AM (14 years, 30 days ago)

Is this with recrystallization, or like that on the first draw?

And has he attempted the crystallization without the addition of water?

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Re: Freeze Precipitation method [Re: Dead Souls]
    #11947148 - 02/02/10 10:50 AM (14 years, 30 days ago)

First draw and SWIM has tried without water and it seems that, while the naphta gets cloudy with proto-crystals, they never form large crystals. Also, when trying to filter the naphta through a coffee filter, all those proto crystals get caught in the filter and cant be removed.

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Re: Freeze Precipitation method [Re: HambuHodo]
    #11947182 - 02/02/10 10:57 AM (14 years, 30 days ago)

Does he evap down to super saturation?
I myself never filter until the very end. My crystals when I freeze precip stay on the jar, and I dump the naphtha back into the solution. At the end, I use a Buchner funnel and Fisherbrand Filter Paper, removes particales between 5-10 micron. I've never had any issues with them getting stuck in the paper.

I'm not ruling out his results. It's something I'll probably experiment with myself now after discussing it.

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Re: Freeze Precipitation method [Re: Dead Souls]
    #11947197 - 02/02/10 11:00 AM (14 years, 30 days ago)

He has never tried evaporating to super-saturation. I'll tell him to give it a try. Yeah, I don't know if the water works but I don't know enough about chemistry to know if it actually works, but his logic seems sound, and I've tried his product with great success.

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Re: Freeze Precipitation method [Re: HambuHodo]
    #11947249 - 02/02/10 11:11 AM (14 years, 30 days ago)

yeah, tell him to evap it down to super sat.
When he can see a tint to his solution, but it in his container that he freezes in.
He should get outstanding results, 'specially if he's getting great results right now.

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Re: Freeze Precipitation method [Re: Dead Souls]
    #11947916 - 02/02/10 01:41 PM (14 years, 30 days ago)

Out of interest, what does evaporating down to super saturation mean? Thanks.


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Re: Freeze Precipitation method [Re: gilesypopper]
    #11948344 - 02/02/10 03:00 PM (14 years, 30 days ago)

Quote:

gilesypopper said:
Out of interest, what does evaporating down to super saturation mean? Thanks.




I'd imagine he's just referring to the naptha pull.. letting it evap
down until it's saturated. I usually just chuck my shit in the freezer.
Don't see much point in trying to get crystals... maybe pretty but
harder to work with imo.


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Re: Freeze Precipitation method [Re: ZenClarity]
    #11948785 - 02/02/10 04:12 PM (14 years, 30 days ago)

Super Saturation is the process of evaporating down the amount of naphtha you have to the point where it can no longer hold any more of anything else, this being DMT, in it, and you will see DMT start to precipitate in the naphtha that you are evaporating. It may look fogged, tinted, or the crystals themselves might even precipitate. This will cause the freeze precipitation to go much faster.

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Re: Freeze Precipitation method [Re: Dead Souls]
    #11951823 - 02/02/10 11:41 PM (14 years, 30 days ago)

OK thanks guys.


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