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this forum has turned me into a monster
    #11943313 - 02/01/10 06:58 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

this post is really about me and not other poster :wtf::rofl2:

the longer i stay here, i feel my posts are just made to validate my ego and "fuck around". and i'm so cynical and close-minded

i just display my beliefs, i don't feel like i am really going through a process of reaching truth with other people

i like to give my opinion on things, but who am i to say anything? i feel i have more experience than some people, because i had their beliefs in the past and now i have come to new conclusions and now my beliefs are better and right (and maybe they are). i am older and wiser and i have nothing to really think about from these new posts, i can sum it up better for you in a one-liner that happens to be condescending and dismissing

but i need to be doing something more than proving someone wrong, because as long as that is my intention, the other person will not gain anything and they will get defensive

i feel i was more open minded a couple years ago when i first came here, i didn't want to post because i knew that whatever i was going to say was self-limiting and would not help me understand or communicate better

i would read posts and try to really understand where someone was coming from and i'd just get confused because there could be so many different meanings behind what they are saying and how are these people using the words they are? i would read posts and generally be perplexed

i thought "wow, these people must be really smart" because they seemed to have everything figured out. i felt i had things to learn from them. i felt like i just didn't understand their sense of humor but in time if i grew and matured i would have a good sense of humor like them and we could reach some kind of understanding

i didn't know, what this sense of humor really was... now i do


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Re: this forum has turned me into a monster [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #11943345 - 02/01/10 07:03 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Take yourself seriously much? :wink:

If you want to leave, leave> If you want to stay and play and maybe grow beyond the limitations  you think you have, by being tested in the trenches here, then stay.

We'll keep the light on for ya.:thumbup:


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Re: this forum has turned me into a monster [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #11943346 - 02/01/10 07:03 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Can you explain that quote in your sig to me? @OP


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Re: this forum has turned me into a monster [Re: circastes]
    #11943349 - 02/01/10 07:04 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

That's a great quote imo.


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Re: this forum has turned me into a monster [Re: Icelander]
    #11943367 - 02/01/10 07:06 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

tl;dr but OP is wrong and I demand sources for all statements taken out of context.


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Re: this forum has turned me into a monster [Re: Icelander]
    #11943456 - 02/01/10 07:18 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

No I can't explain it, I don't understand it. I just wanted to find a good quote on schizophrenia because I think the beliefs about schizophrenia are bullshit

Icelander you're right I wouldn't be making this post if I didn't take myself so seriously, I've had lots of free time lately so I probably spend too much time here

But part of my post was about how a lot of the posters here who think that they are helping people grow are not really doing that or that's not really their intention. I think there is communication, and most of the time when we think we are communicating we are just agreeing on our beliefs

it doesn't matter, it's not serious. it's fine what we're doing here.. but we're not being honest IMO. this forum needs new blood because most of us think that things are just the way they are and that's it, we're not interested in changing

ESPECIALLY if we are happy, then we've been successful and there's no need to change so why try to reach some kind of agreement with someone whose beliefs are juvenile.

fuck i can't express what i'm trying to say

ok i know what i'm trying to say

we could have things so much better, we could help people out so much more thoroughly but we don't really know what we are doing and we are limited by our belief systems.

when i say communication, i mean talking directly to a person's condition, like knowing their past or future and talking to that, knowing their emotions and mind state and communicating to that, not being condescending to them by treating them like students and we are their teacher

we are not aware enough for that. to know the people behind the computer screen so we can be 10 steps ahead instead of constantly crashing into brick walls and then nobody will reach their goal

what im saying makes no sense and will be completely misunderstood


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Re: this forum has turned me into a monster [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #11943537 - 02/01/10 07:29 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)


But part of my post was about how a lot of the posters here who think that they are helping people grow are not really doing that or that's not really their intention. I think there is communication, and most of the time when we think we are communicating we are just agreeing on our beliefs


Now how do you know about what the intentions of others here are?  Why not worry about what your intentions are and then there will be no problems for you whether you stay or go.


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Re: this forum has turned me into a monster [Re: Icelander]
    #11943567 - 02/01/10 07:34 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
If you want to stay and play and maybe grow beyond the limitations  you think you have, by being tested in the trenches here, then stay.




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Re: this forum has turned me into a monster [Re: REGISTERED USER]
    #11943594 - 02/01/10 07:36 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

This is your best post so far.:thumbup: Course you're just gettin warmed up I'll bet.


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Re: this forum has turned me into a monster [Re: Icelander]
    #11943629 - 02/01/10 07:40 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Try Xanax for that death anxiety.


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Re: this forum has turned me into a monster [Re: REGISTERED USER]
    #11943647 - 02/01/10 07:42 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I'm thinking possibly puppet.

Am I close.:wink:


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Re: this forum has turned me into a monster [Re: Icelander]
    #11943676 - 02/01/10 07:44 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Highly unlikely.


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Re: this forum has turned me into a monster [Re: Icelander]
    #11943679 - 02/01/10 07:45 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I just took some time to try and post something but I think I'm just tripping, I think I am just expressing my frustration at my own self-limiting beliefs and probably the fact that it's been a long time since I've felt like I've gained anything from this forum and wonder if I ever really did, I know I did in the past but I think I really just come here for mental masturbation. I guess there's nothing really wrong with that, I can leave growth to the outside world


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Re: this forum has turned me into a monster [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #11943723 - 02/01/10 07:51 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Sometimes I get idealistic and think that this forum can be used for us to learn

And then I think about, I might as well try to learn something from the contents of the posts here even if it's not the kind of post I would imagine I would learn from

And then I think about how we are not really self aware and that the content of the posts IS important and the arrangement of words and the attempt to communicate a specific meaning that leads us beyond our self-limiting beliefs

And I think that people think they are doing that, that they are liberating people from their self-limiting beliefs

And then I'm like fuck no this is not the way, whenever new blood come here the same shit happens and it's predictable and how often do we see tackling real psychological issues, personal stuff or am I just blind but it's partly my fault I am not being completely honest or open and this is a two-way thing


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Re: this forum has turned me into a monster [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #11943740 - 02/01/10 07:53 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

i have learned a lot by lurking in these forums , less by posting.  i've learned about a lot of cool books, movies, and music. you just have to try and not get sucked into people's tornadoes, which has happened to me for the first time for the 3 or so months i've been an official member, but i've met some really cool people, who have been helpful, and like this guy, "TheBalance", that dude is awesome.


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Re: this forum has turned me into a monster [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #11943758 - 02/01/10 07:54 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I rarely ever read something someone else says and decide they sound smart enough that I should make exceptions for what they are saying.


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Re: this forum has turned me into a monster [Re: aghorrorag]
    #11943825 - 02/01/10 08:01 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

There is one particular person on these boards that makes me more self aware when I read his posts, I actually catch my self-limiting beliefs and my patterns of thoughts, the way he is like 10 steps ahead of my thinking process, like he can predict the way I am going to interpret his posts. I guess I am just whining that there aren't more people like him.


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Re: this forum has turned me into a monster [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #11943968 - 02/01/10 08:28 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

:hissyfit:

Ya know of course that this forum has no power to turn you into anything. You did it all by yourself and initially with the help of Mater and Pater.


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Re: this forum has turned me into a monster [Re: Icelander]
    #11944252 - 02/01/10 09:32 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

But its a community, not just a personal journal.

With that in mind, as to a broader concern with egocentrism, I agree that this may well have everything to do with such a change, being that somehow the two are almost the same thing here. Solipsism anyone?

I'll attest that this forum has the capability to affect a person. I can think of one or two instances when my mind was blown, and dramatically changed the way I think - and it was thanks to the peaceful and wrathful forms I communicated to here. Of course in "weight" it was predominately my activity in the community (say like a 2 pager from daytripper23), but it is the effect of incoming waves of communication that can bring about change. 

But what is the extreme internetude of self-sufficiency itself? Its very familiar.

Does it like language, a more primordial medium, have everything to do with how one originally conceives; that is to say, how one enters and leaves the medium? I've voiced my doubts as to where and how firmly the western "subject" stands in language... Here, what is the "subject" of the shroomery?

For instance, the quaint noob faces a unique welcome in this environment. But much more strange is how one leaves. The shroomery community is as much occupied with the self sufficiency and detatchment of a poster, as it is somehow attatched to a certain aspect of character, the avatar - to which it is some kind of travesty if he admits that the shroomery has served its purpose and he is leaving.

Can a person elucidate and depart language through language? Some philosophers have described such a process.

Here at the shroomery, people who leave, tend to drift away. But through the medium on the other hand, those who say goodbye, have a high probability of being kicked in the ass with their own momentum. Whats up with that?

In general is it really the poster that gives these entries and escape acts their character, (whether it is reincarnated weekly or daily entry, or otherwise) or is it as much the reciprocity of a community?

Is the shroomery to be transcended?


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Re: this forum has turned me into a monster [Re: Icelander]
    #11944296 - 02/01/10 09:40 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I think many of us use this forum as a sounding board for our ideas more than for psychological counsel. But then again, maybe that's just me :wink:


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Re: this forum has turned me into a monster [Re: Kickle]
    #11944410 - 02/01/10 10:03 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

IMO people are drawn to something for specific reasons in their personal psychology. Anyone who doesn't feel really comfortable doesn't become a real part of this community. Now this "monster" has been and is part of this community and he makes it what it is by contributing his vibe here. He feels comfortable here, he can play games or recreate himself or get the hell out if things get too real. It's all about his choosing. Now to complain about it like it's an outside force or some kind of a virus is kind of silly.

We all can use this place for change but that doesn't happen in spite of us, it happens because of us. That's how I see it anyway. Nobody here has turned me into anything I wasn't when I moved in.:satansmoking:


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Re: this forum has turned me into a monster [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #11944499 - 02/01/10 10:19 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

What are beliefs?


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Re: this forum has turned me into a monster [Re: xFrockx]
    #11944542 - 02/01/10 10:25 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

What is ?


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Re: this forum has turned me into a monster [Re: Icelander]
    #11944677 - 02/01/10 10:53 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Not asking you.  The OP said he was having some trouble.

I don't know if you realize this, but when I ask a question it isn't just to stump someone.


Edited by xFrockx (02/01/10 10:53 PM)


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Re: this forum has turned me into a monster [Re: xFrockx]
    #11944755 - 02/01/10 11:06 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

xFrockx said:
Not asking you.  The OP said he was having some trouble.

I don't know if you realize this, but when I ask a question it isn't just to stump someone.



lol fucking word my brother


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Re: this forum has turned me into a monster [Re: xFrockx]
    #11944778 - 02/01/10 11:09 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

What is to stump?


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Re: this forum has turned me into a monster [Re: Icelander]
    #11944793 - 02/01/10 11:12 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

What do you mean by "is"?  I don't intend to say "stumping" is if by that you mean an is of existence.  What I meant to put across is that I have no intention of arguing to "win".


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Re: this forum has turned me into a monster [Re: xFrockx]
    #11944812 - 02/01/10 11:15 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

What is win?


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Re: this forum has turned me into a monster [Re: Icelander]
    #11944819 - 02/01/10 11:17 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

In a game, winning is what happens when you do what it says in the rules that you need to do to win.


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Re: this forum has turned me into a monster [Re: xFrockx]
    #11944854 - 02/01/10 11:23 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

But what is "win"?


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Re: this forum has turned me into a monster [Re: Icelander]
    #11944876 - 02/01/10 11:27 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

What do you mean?  Do you mean to ask what is "win" in general, or how I've used it?


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Re: this forum has turned me into a monster [Re: xFrockx]
    #11944915 - 02/01/10 11:35 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I have no fucking idea. I'm just trying to have a nice chat with you. :satansmoking:


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Re: this forum has turned me into a monster [Re: Icelander]
    #11944926 - 02/01/10 11:37 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

This is what happens when someone tries to question someone who doesn't have any answers.  :wink:


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Re: this forum has turned me into a monster [Re: xFrockx]
    #11945059 - 02/01/10 11:55 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

So true.


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Re: this forum has turned me into a monster [Re: Icelander]
    #11945073 - 02/01/10 11:57 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Not really.


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Re: this forum has turned me into a monster [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #11945085 - 02/01/10 11:59 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

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I think I really just come here for mental masturbation






QFT

Why else do any of us come here? In reality we just like to repeat our own thoughts in an attempt to validate our ego.

I barely read other people's posts, not necessarily because I don't care, but because there's often so damn many of them. It seems that mostly I'm seeking out posts that entertain me. I recognize people by their avatars and signatures, and rarely am I able to distinguish individuals from the storm of posts that is the shroomery.

As for being cynical, that's what a strictly rational worldview (as enforced in this forum) will do to you. You have to be able to embrace the absurd and the mysterious along with the rational and provable.

Accept the fact that people hold all kinds of ridiculous beliefs which change constantly with experience. There's really no use in trying to convince anyone of anything, and there's no use holding on to any belief yourself. There will never be a consensus on what constitutes Truth.


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Re: this forum has turned me into a monster [Re: Nunbuh_Chrubble]
    #11945090 - 02/02/10 12:00 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Wow! Nice post.:thumbup:


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Re: this forum has turned me into a monster [Re: Icelander]
    #11945103 - 02/02/10 12:02 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

"There will never be a consensus on what constitutes Truth. "

There's already a consensus, but we've lost it by conceptualizing it.


Edited by xFrockx (02/02/10 12:03 AM)


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Re: this forum has turned me into a monster [Re: Icelander]
    #11945107 - 02/02/10 12:04 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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Icelander said:
What is ?




:ilold:


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Re: this forum has turned me into a monster [Re: xFrockx]
    #11945110 - 02/02/10 12:04 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

what?


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Re: this forum has turned me into a monster [Re: deCypher]
    #11945115 - 02/02/10 12:05 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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Icelander said:
What is ?




:ilold:





Glad someone got the joke.:grin:


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Re: this forum has turned me into a monster [Re: Icelander]
    #11945117 - 02/02/10 12:06 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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Wow! Nice post.:thumbup:




... and that was my ego-boost for the evening...


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Re: this forum has turned me into a monster [Re: Nunbuh_Chrubble]
    #11945130 - 02/02/10 12:08 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: this forum has turned me into a monster [Re: Icelander]
    #11945152 - 02/02/10 12:13 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

indeed, what.


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Re: this forum has turned me into a monster [Re: daytripper23]
    #11949651 - 02/02/10 08:03 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Take yourself seriously much? :wink:

If you want to leave, leave> If you want to stay and play and maybe grow beyond the limitations  you think you have, by being tested in the trenches here, then stay.

We'll keep the light on for ya.:thumbup:




Or I would say, being too hard on yourself.

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EternalCowabunga said:
Sometimes I get idealistic and think that this forum can be used for us to learn




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And then I'm like fuck no this is not the way, whenever new blood come here the same shit happens and it's predictable and how often do we see tackling real psychological issues, personal stuff or am I just blind but it's partly my fault I am not being completely honest or open and this is a two-way thing




These are just differing views, and I would say at very least good to see that you have variation in how you perceive.


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But its a community, not just a personal journal.




It is a community, but a limited one.  I would say personal "journey" is more pertinent than "journal."
Which is unavoidable in our subjective states.
I will submit that all of us think our positions on any given matter are completely earnest and valid input.
The phases will alter, and given time...we could observe many different thought cycles within each poster.

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Is the shroomery to be transcended?




Why/Why not? :shrug:


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Re: this forum has turned me into a monster [Re: figmentfragment]
    #11950049 - 02/02/10 09:01 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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It is a community, but a limited one.  I would say personal "journey" is more pertinent than "journal."




That's more like it :smile:


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Re: this forum has turned me into a monster [Re: daytripper23]
    #11951522 - 02/03/10 12:42 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

This place gets on my nerves sometimes. I used to disappear for months or years at a time. It's fairly good for chit-chat, to pick up and test new directions (doesn't always work) and to touch base with stoners.


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Re: this forum has turned me into a monster [Re: Lakefingers]
    #11952808 - 02/03/10 08:38 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

You stick around because of me.:inlove:


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Re: this forum has turned me into a monster [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #11954339 - 02/03/10 03:23 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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Take yourself seriously much? :wink:

If you want to leave, leave> If you want to stay and play and maybe grow beyond the limitations  you think you have, by being tested in the trenches here, then stay.

We'll keep the light on for ya.:thumbup:




:thumbup:

yea man
who cares ?

i like proving people wrong sometimes .. just cause im bored.
we're mostly bored people here i presume.. but im sure theres somebody that disagrees with me.

see.. this feeling we have to validate our egos is what brings about this diversity in thought and what allows us to share it by exchanging ideas even if we're rude or  hostile.

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but i need to be doing something more than proving someone wrong, because as long as that is my intention, the other person will not gain anything and they will get defensive




i think they've gained something by getting defensive.
and so have you.
you have an idea of how strongly they hold to their beliefs and how strongly they wish to validate their own ego.


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i didn't know, what this sense of humor really was... now i do




i find most humor in the stupidity of my own ego and others.

i love it..

like laughing in the face of the devil himself
:lol:


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They are derived from an acute mental illness , from which i am forced to lie compulsively.
I have never induced any kind of mind altering substance in my life  and i have no intentions whatsoever of doing anything illegal.
If I have ever suggested such a thing it would have most likely been , due to my personality disorder and i probably do not remember it at all..


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Re: this forum has turned me into a monster [Re: jivJaN]
    #11954400 - 02/03/10 03:37 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

:lol::thumbup:


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