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Offlinechemkid
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The "Evils" of cloning
    #1192060 - 01/05/03 10:01 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I am confounded by many peoples ethical arguments to stem cell research and cloning. There are just so many good things that can be done with this kind of research and technology. (Iwill spare you my reasons as many have already been mentioned).

Does this mean that evil things can come about with this technology.........absolutely. Bad things can come from the best of things. Any technology can be used for evil. Does this mean we should throw it away and negate the possible good it can do?

It is slightly amusing to me that we have a huge worldwide debate about this wonderful technology yet we didn't even blink an eye in constructing the atomic bomb. (even though a lot of good came from this technology: power supply)

I suspect that any opponent to cloning would swiftly change their mind if their child was dying from a degenerative disease and cloning a new organ could save them.


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Re: The "Evils" of cloning [Re: chemkid]
    #1192251 - 01/05/03 11:40 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

People are afraid of sudden change.


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Re: The "Evils" of cloning [Re: chemkid]
    #1192283 - 01/05/03 11:51 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

its just that cloning will change so much. it also goes against what many people already believe, and they refuse to change their beliefs... eh well. shit will happen, whether we let it or not. best to go with the flow


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Re: The "Evils" of cloning [Re: Adamist]
    #1192336 - 01/05/03 12:18 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Fear of the unknown.


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Re: The "Evils" of cloning [Re: chemkid]
    #1192363 - 01/05/03 12:30 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Construction of the A bomb was for the most part very Classified so no one knew to make a stink, also uninformed people had NO idea how bad the effects of  radiation could be, now people do dissagree, but our govt. really doesn't seem to give a fuck. we have almost 15,000 nuclear weapons in this country, 15 is overkill!  10 of these dropped in anwhere would create nuclear winter which would wipe out 90% of the world...

On cloning, I don't think it is appropriate to create another human being with the exact same traits as yourself, talk about vaintiy.  Yes stem cell research is a great thing to replace bad hearts, or lost limbs. Clonig is a whole 'nother ball game.  people always enmesh these two, THEY ARE NOT THE SAME!!! adoption is always gonna be around.  There are ways to become pregnant or artificially create life through sperm and egg.  But geneticallly programing your clone children to have the "desirable traits" is crossing the friggin line, and frankly Im horrified and scared that we have this technology now.  If anyone here thinks that we humans as a race are mature enough to use this without getting out of controll you've got to open your eyes!! :crazy: 


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    #1192373 - 01/05/03 12:38 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: The "Evils" of cloning [Re: ]
    #1192383 - 01/05/03 12:41 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

DNA is not something to be tampered with..



...Unless you know what you're doing. (IMO)


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Re: The "Evils" of cloning [Re: Adamist]
    #1192524 - 01/05/03 02:04 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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People are afraid of sudden change.   




yep.... :crazy:


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Re: The "Evils" of cloning [Re: soylent_green]
    #1192962 - 01/05/03 04:50 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

the bad men come with big sharp knives
the babies scream and cry but they take their stems away anyways
this makes jesus cry  :frown:


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Re: The "Evils" of cloning [Re: chemkid]
    #1193029 - 01/05/03 05:12 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Ethical questions aside, I can certainly see the usefulness of stem-cell research and organ cloning (if such a thing is possible--I mean, cloning an organ without actually cloning the human being who owns it). I can even see the usefulness of genetic engineering (once again, withholding all ethical judgments). Human beings have a great many undesireable qualities built in as part of their hardwiring. These aspects of "human nature" may have been desirable in the past when survival was often a function of aggressiveness, but these days aggressiveness generally leads to something other than survival (e.g., death or dismemberment). If genetic engineering can produce human beings who are more evolved as human beings, it might be an interesting development in our history. If it's just used to make 500 pound linebackers and bimbos with massive boobs, then everything just turns into a circus.

But for the life of me, I don't really see the point of cloning except for purposes of sheer vanity. Seems sort of like watching reruns. For me it is infinitely more interesting to see what the gene pool lottery comes up with when two DIFFERENT human beings come together to produce something new. Cloning on the other hand is a bit like the ultimate in incest, if you know what I mean. If it catches on as a widespread fad it will also limit genetic diversity and could lead to various inbreeding issues. And then stuff like multi-millionaires hiring thousands of women to give birth to thousands of clones of themselves, stuff like that. Once again, I don't really see what the point would be. Maybe somebody can clue me in.


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Re: The "Evils" of cloning [Re: chemkid]
    #1193382 - 01/05/03 06:49 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I kept seeing the subject line as the "Elvis" of cloning for some reason which got me thinking that I am deffinaltly thinking that cloning is not good since it could make another Elvis and the first one sucked......

Besides that, it is not "natural" to me and I am deffinatly not into things that I can't just do in the forest with things I can find there which is what I call natural. Besides that it takes all the fun out of people making......

Want I want to know is do the people who support cloning have kids? I would be 20 clams that they don't......Don't ask me why, it's just the way of it. People that don't have children that they are leaving this planet to are usually more into experimental, non-natural (in my deffinition) things that could possibly fuck things up more than they already are..... :confused:


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Re: The "Evils" of cloning [Re: EchoVortex]
    #1193390 - 01/05/03 06:52 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

yeah, but who limits evolution?

The ultimate end to that senerio would be when we are like the borg or something. perfectly effiecant and emotionless.


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Re: The "Evils" of cloning [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #1193454 - 01/05/03 07:10 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I wasn't saying I'm FOR genetic engineering, just that I can see how some people might be. If used well it might have an understandable purpose. Knowing humanity, however, it will probably just be used badly.

Cloning, on the other hand, what's the point? Surround yourself with copies of yourself. Great. So what? Not only is it dangerous, it's pointless.


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Re: The "Evils" of cloning [Re: EchoVortex]
    #1193479 - 01/05/03 07:15 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I think a clone my be bitter and angry.


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Re: The "Evils" of cloning [Re: Adamist]
    #1193747 - 01/05/03 08:17 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

NO!!! using stem cells is evil!!! but it's ok of course to toss them into a dumpster...


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Re: The "Evils" of cloning [Re: chemkid]
    #1194186 - 01/05/03 11:48 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

There are just so many good things that can be done with this kind of research and technology. (Iwill spare you my reasons as many have already been mentioned).

I agree that cloning can have some tremendous benefits in the future but I'm opposed to human cloning because it's just too dangerous right now. Every single cloned animal has experienced some adverse health effects. Can't we at least perfect animal cloning before moving on to humans?

We have absolutely no right to condemn a human being to a lifetime of health problems for our "research", not to mention the potentially devastating phycological effects of being a clone - you would have no sense of identity, people would question if you really have a soul, religious types will call you an abomination and you would have no real family.

Hell is what you would experience as a clone in today's world.

Ethically and technologically -
WE ARE SIMPLY NOT READY.



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Re: The "Evils" of cloning [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1195436 - 01/06/03 05:51 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

If you think the government hasn't already cloned someone your kidding yourself......


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Re: The "Evils" of cloning [Re: chemkid]
    #1195443 - 01/06/03 05:53 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I would have responded to this already but I thought it said, "The Elvis of Cloning".

Sorry, my bad.


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Re: The "Evils" of cloning [Re: ]
    #1196292 - 01/06/03 11:45 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

rofl what they're cloning Elvis?


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Re: The "Evils" of cloning [Re: EchoVortex]
    #1196563 - 01/07/03 04:03 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I think even aggressiveness has its place. I mean it is just a way of expressing anger. And anger is important for not being exploited and for self defence. I think how it is used is more important. i think if we got rid of anger people wouldnt even be assertive. I know from my studies that anger becomes aggression when people eg. dwell on it or they dont think they can control whatever triggered it .
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