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Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor
#11917256 - 01/28/10 11:42 AM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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"to become closer to jesus.
That man was the only guy I respected in all of Christianity, not any more.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100126/ap_on_re_eu/eu_vatican_john_paul_ii
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: PreparationH]
#11917262 - 01/28/10 11:43 AM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: HappyTrippin]
#11917388 - 01/28/10 12:17 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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idk what's so shocking about this. it's actually a very old tradition. not like he was doing BD/SM stunts in the back of the vatican
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: JT]
#11917394 - 01/28/10 12:17 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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what a fruitcake
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: JT]
#11917401 - 01/28/10 12:19 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Very old tradition... like men having sex with boys.
How does any rational person still side with these people?
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: PreparationH]
#11917455 - 01/28/10 12:32 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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flagellation for jesus
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: JT]
#11917459 - 01/28/10 12:33 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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all i am saying is that it is an old catholic tradition to inflict pain upon yourself to repent for sins. most catholics don't do it, but it's not surprising that the pope, the most devout figure in the church, would.
try looking at it objectively for a second and you'll see how someone could rationalize those kind of actions. it's actually common among many other religions too.
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: JT]
#11917510 - 01/28/10 12:46 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Y'alls inability to accept this as a rational action shows that you're just as closed minded as the christian fanatics you constantly criticize
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: JT]
#11917534 - 01/28/10 12:50 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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JT said: all i am saying is that it is an old catholic tradition to inflict pain upon yourself to repent for sins.
yes, it's an old tradition, but that's irrelevant
what's important is that it's an old tradition which is not worth respecting
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: laserpig]
#11917543 - 01/28/10 12:52 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Why isn't it worth respecting? People find god in their own ways, or come closer to that feeling in their own ways. It's not like he's flogging you with that belt.
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: HappyTrippin]
#11917580 - 01/28/10 12:59 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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So if your child's daycare manager whipped herself and slept naked on the floor, you would have zero objections about leaving your child there for 6 hours a day?
I doubt that...
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: PreparationH]
#11917588 - 01/28/10 01:01 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Denial of the flesh and ego seems to have been his goals. Typical for highly spiritual people although their methods vary.
Who knows? Maybe it worked for him. Don't be so quick to judge.
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: RoosterCogburn]
#11917597 - 01/28/10 01:02 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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you're making it sound like it's something sexual when it's really not. Just because someone practices religious faith in a different way than me, is no reason to discriminate, no matter how strange, or old fashioned it might be.
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: RoosterCogburn]
#11917604 - 01/28/10 01:03 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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RoosterCogburn said: So if your child's daycare manager whipped herself and slept naked on the floor, you would have zero objections about leaving your child there for 6 hours a day?
I doubt that...
As long as she doesn't do it in front of the kids, I wouldn't mind. She has a right to do whatever she pleases in her house.
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: TTT]
#11917675 - 01/28/10 01:14 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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At least masochists can admit it's sexual.
The way the religious blindly protect each other is the very reason your children were being raped for so many years... and probably still are.
Wake up.
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: RoosterCogburn]
#11917762 - 01/28/10 01:24 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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and everyone who eats acid is secretly charles manson
stereotypes are great aren't they?
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: JT]
#11917799 - 01/28/10 01:28 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ummm... there were hundreds, maybe thousands, of court cases. I'm not stereotyping anyone. Priests raped boys at a much higher rate than the normal population.
And, they were proven to be protected by both thier superiors AND their followers.
ONE priest raping ONE boy disproves it all... multiply that by A LOT.
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: RoosterCogburn]
#11917861 - 01/28/10 01:39 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Whipping your self with studded leather and having sex with boys is gods dirty work, but someone's gotta do it
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: JT]
#11917864 - 01/28/10 01:39 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Its hardly a stereotype when its the divine leader of the religion is partaking in this. The Catholics believe that the pope is "more" than a human, the pope is the divine communicator to god for all humanity.
I know because i had to suffer the first 18 years of my life every sunday morning
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: memes]
#11917934 - 01/28/10 01:49 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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meams said: Y'alls inability to accept this as a rational action shows that you're just as closed minded as the christian fanatics you constantly criticize
How is inflicting pain on yourself rational?
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: MSUman6000]
#11917957 - 01/28/10 01:52 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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MSUman6000 said: I know because i had to suffer the first 18 years of my life every sunday morning
same, but i got out in 8th grade after i was confirmed and my parents couldn't force me to go anymore. not once though did i see any kind of inappropriate behavior by any of the priests though. i know there are some sick fucks out there, but that's true of any large population.
the pope's acts may seem a little crazy to you and me but they were certainly not sexual...
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: RoosterCogburn]
#11918022 - 01/28/10 02:04 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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RoosterCogburn said: So if your child's daycare manager whipped herself and slept naked on the floor, you would have zero objections about leaving your child there for 6 hours a day?
I doubt that...
If you were said daycare manager, and it was widely known that you used drugs and posted regularly on a drug oriented website would you expect zero objections from parents? I thought most of us were on the same page here. Ya know, live and let live? If it harms no one other than the perpetrator why should it bother you? We sure like to use this excuse for ourselves and our banned substances as but are quick to discriminate others the way we are discriminated. BTW I am no Christian, just a person tolerant of others beliefs.
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: shamandustin]
#11918040 - 01/28/10 02:07 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Okay, the dude has a right to flagellate himself, nobody is saying "ah! damn popes! I'm so angry that he hit himself with a belt!" -- but I don't think it takes much ingenuity to see that this is a bizarre and, in all probability, psychologically harmful practice.
The Catholic faith is obsessed with guilt, in a way that I think any sane person has no trouble recognizing as unhealthy.
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: shamandustin]
#11918046 - 01/28/10 02:07 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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shamandustin said: BTW I am no Christian, just a person tolerant of others beliefs.
I believe in eating babies!
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: shamandustin]
#11918139 - 01/28/10 02:20 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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IF you BELIEVE in eating babies that's sick but it is your BELIEF. If you PRACTICE that belief by eating said babies, it's on like Donkey Kong mofo! Plus you missed to most important part you silly, silly tard. Quote:
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If it harms no one other than the perpetrator why should it bother you?
I think eating babies qualifies as harming someone other than the perpetrator, or did that somehow escape your tard logic?
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: RoosterCogburn]
#11918151 - 01/28/10 02:22 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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RoosterCogburn said: So if your child's daycare manager whipped herself and slept naked on the floor, you would have zero objections about leaving your child there for 6 hours a day?
I doubt that...
In front of the children? Yes, I would object. In their own spare time? No, not really.
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: JT]
#11918272 - 01/28/10 02:43 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah i agree that it probably wasn't sexual for the pope, i originally missed that your post was in response to another post. I thought you were implying that just because one catholic does crazy things, all catholics arent crazy.
I just cant believe the person so many in the world look to as a "moral compass" would do this type of stuff. Just goes to show the level that these people cant think for them selves.
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: MSUman6000]
#11918291 - 01/28/10 02:46 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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The Catholic guilt complex is both interesting and terrifying.
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: MSUman6000]
#11919001 - 01/28/10 04:15 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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lol religion is awesome, without it I wouldnt have people like john paul to laugh at and feel sorry for.
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: PreparationH]
#11919003 - 01/28/10 04:15 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: RoosterCogburn]
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: RoosterCogburn]
#11919133 - 01/28/10 04:29 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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RoosterCogburn said: So if your child's daycare manager dropped acid and hung out naked in their apartment, you would have zero objections about leaving your child there for 6 hours a day?
I doubt that...
Who gives a shit, the guy whipped HIMSELF and slept naked on the floor. If he slept naked in a bed would it be better? For a bunch of people who do things far FAR worse to themselves, but not others, on a daily basis I'm surprised you all care so much.
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: jewunit]
#11919152 - 01/28/10 04:31 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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RoosterCogburn said: So if your child's daycare manager dropped acid and hung out naked in their apartment, you would have zero objections about leaving your child there for 6 hours a day?
I doubt that...
Who gives a shit, the guy whipped HIMSELF and slept naked on the floor. If he slept naked in a bed would it be better? For a bunch of people who do things far FAR worse to themselves, but not others, on a daily basis I'm surprised you all care so much.
I don't walk around claiming I am a vessel to a higher power.
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: PreparationH]
#11919170 - 01/28/10 04:33 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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The Pope also isn't a babysitter so the whole analogy really doesn't matter.
Look I think all sorts of things all sorts of organized religions do are fucked up. This isn't one of 'em. In fact I don't even think it's unreasonable at all.
I also recognize that there are all sorts of people that do all sorts of fucked up stuff and don't keep it to themselves like he did.
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: jewunit]
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hmmmm
Edited by PreparationH (01/28/10 04:42 PM)
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: PreparationH]
#11919328 - 01/28/10 04:55 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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This is no different than fasting or other minor acts self-sacrifice as practiced by nearly every other religion ever devised.
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: Madtowntripper]
#11919337 - 01/28/10 04:56 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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and in my eyes it's all ass backwards. I don't want this to go into a full debate just posted this because I laughed when I saw it.
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: memes]
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meams said: Y'alls inability to accept this as a rational action shows that you're just as closed minded as the christian fanatics you constantly criticize
disagree. open-mindedness does not mean you accept everything, but that you are willing to consider the merits of everything despite majority condemnation. reason may be kept intact.
within the Catholic philosophical framework, self-flagellation is justifiable, in fact laudable. without the Church's cultural accretions, however, self-flagellation is luxury pain in a world that frankly offers more than enough real, ineluctable suffering to people who haven't requested it.
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: ChairmanMeow]
#11919474 - 01/28/10 05:19 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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'meh, whatever. you can pick my words apart as you please, my point holds true
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: memes]
#11919484 - 01/28/10 05:21 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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I accept it, think of it like this, you do drugs, they are bad for you, you're damaging your body.
This guy whipped himself and damaged his body because his drug was a non-existent god.
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: PreparationH]
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I'd like to know what's so backwards about it? If it accomplished his goal and didn't hurt anyone else I don't see how it's any different than... smoking pot, being into bondage, or jumping of a cliff with a wingsuit.
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: jewunit]
#11919511 - 01/28/10 05:27 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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He believed it accomplished him getting closer to god, the only reason I disagree is because I don't believe in a creator.
Might as well be whipping himself to get closer to puff the magic dragon.
He could have killed himself, I do not care, you're right, it didn't affect anyone... but then again, this was the leader of the same religion which covered up child molestation and rapes.
Now, maybe I'm wrong, maybe god is real, I'm just stating my opinions
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: PreparationH]
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It's also the same religion that feeds, shelters, and clothes untold millions of people, every single day.
You can debate its ills all you want, but it does a tremendous amount of good as well.
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: Madtowntripper]
#11919678 - 01/28/10 05:51 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Madtowntripper said: It's also the same religion that feeds, shelters, and clothes untold millions of people, every single day.
You can debate its ills all you want, but it does a tremendous amount of good as well.
never said it didn't, what are you saying though?
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: PreparationH]
#11919867 - 01/28/10 06:25 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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PreparationH said: He believed it accomplished him getting closer to god, the only reason I disagree is because I don't believe in a creator.
Might as well be whipping himself to get closer to puff the magic dragon.
He could have killed himself, I do not care, you're right, it didn't affect anyone... but then again, this was the leader of the same religion which covered up child molestation and rapes.
Now, maybe I'm wrong, maybe god is real, I'm just stating my opinions
You use psychedelics, do you not?
Do they do anything for you spiritually at all or do you take them to get "fucked up"?
Creator or not, Johnny Pope here used whippings and nights sprawled out across the floor to bring him closer to "the divine", God or not, whatever you wanna call it. Perhaps spirituality and God is merely us growing closer to ourselves and one another.
Don't get hung up on the "God" part. It's just a word that represents that life giving force that started it all, be it through natural causes (big bang, multiverse brane collisions, w/e) or an intelligent creature of some sort is irrelevant.
You are alive and that's un-fucking-believable!
Whether a white dude on a cloud molded you out of clay or whether you are here as a result of a possibly accidental, yet sustained, chemical chain reaction that has persisted for 13.7 billion years inevitably resulting in the production of you and your ass cream is not important.
How one goes about celebrating, praising, or standing in reverence of that fact is all simply a means to the same end. We are each very different, thus the means may change from culture to culture and from person to person. Yet, in our yearning to seek out this experience, we are the same.
P. John woulda prolly shit a christ cracker if he knew some of the things we Shroomerites do in the privacy of our own home. Doesn't make it wrong.
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: 13eetleJuice]
#11919909 - 01/28/10 06:35 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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I always thought self multilation was against what they believe in, or is the exception you can do anything you want as long as it's for god?
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: 13eetleJuice]
#11919954 - 01/28/10 06:44 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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maybe it isnt 'wrong', but i think its pretty fucked to whip yourself and sleep on the floor as if that would impress a kind loving god by letting him know your suffering. Although not much more fucked than believing you are some holy authority and closer to god than the average man.
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: PreparationH]
#11920007 - 01/28/10 06:53 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Wow. I see no reason for this debate brewing.
He did nothing to anyone but himself, so whats the big deal? If you smoke weed or do any type of drug spiritually than you are doing THE SAME THING as he is. If he believes that that is what he has to do to get closer to his God or gain religious / spiritual insight than let him do it. Just because someone sees it as irrational, or thinks his kind and loving God shouldn't want him to inflict pain upon himself doesn't mean its wrong.
He probably doesn't even see it as just inflicting pain upon himself but as getting closer to God. If you take psychedelics for spiritual reasons and you see it that way, other people might see it as your just another druggie looking to get a fix. All that matters is how you see it and that you don't inflict harm on others. What if this article was about some guy ingesting mushrooms to get closer to God instead? What would you think about it?
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: Meepity]
#11920031 - 01/28/10 06:58 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think the deal is because religious people push their religion on people and the top guy (aka the pope) does something like this is a little strange.
It's not like people who are smoking weed are going out and trying to get other people to smoke weed.
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: pmb]
#11920051 - 01/28/10 07:03 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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pmb said: I think the deal is because religious people push their religion on people and the top guy (aka the pope) does something like this is a little strange.
It's not like people who are smoking weed are going out and trying to get other people to smoke weed.
So you've never smoked anyone up for their first time? Also, not all religious people try to force there religion on others...
and its really not that strange, especially since it is an old tradition and someone like the Pope would be in to doing those old tradition type things and following the religion as well as he possibly could I would imagine.
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: Meepity]
#11920132 - 01/28/10 07:17 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've been around religious people who just won't drop trying to convert people.
I've never been around someone doing drugs who actively try and get people to do drugs if the person says no thanks.
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: pmb]
#11920175 - 01/28/10 07:27 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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how can you compare smoking weed with self-flagellation? smoking weed is fun and feels good, has some negatives but the enjoyment justifies its use. Whereas self-flagellation is hurting yourself so that god presumably looks favorably on you and makes no sense.
i mean if someone wants to do that i don't care its their own body, but it's pointless self-harm with no benefits if you ask me, not to mention looks very cooky.
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: PreparationH]
#11920266 - 01/28/10 07:43 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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he needed a good dose of acid so he can see how totally fucking weird he was....
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: starfire_xes]
#11920280 - 01/28/10 07:45 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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starfire_xes said: he needed a good dose of acid so he can see how totally fucking weird he was....
Yeah, because acid is great at making people normal.
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: Silversoul]
#11920293 - 01/28/10 07:48 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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no, it doesn't 'make you normal' but it does make you look at yourself critically. Isn't that the purpose of psychedelics? And people that are afraid of what they see have what are called 'bad trips' (my theory.)
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: StickyRicky]
#11920362 - 01/28/10 07:57 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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StickyRicky said: i mean if someone wants to do that i don't care its their own body, but it's pointless self-harm with no benefits if you ask me, not to mention looks very cooky.
Whether his methods were pointless or beneficial is completely subjective. Inflicting pain upon oneself is the OLDEST form of dissociating from one's body in order to embrace the psychedelic experience.
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starfire_xes said: he needed a good dose of acid so he can see how totally fucking weird he was...
Or perhaps you need a good dose so that you can see that ALL THINGS are weird, (i.e., seem foreign) when viewed from the perspective of the observer rather than from within the system.
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: StickyRicky]
#11920374 - 01/28/10 07:58 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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StickyRicky said: how can you compare smoking weed with self-flagellation? smoking weed is fun and feels good, has some negatives but the enjoyment justifies its use. Whereas self-flagellation is hurting yourself so that god presumably looks favorably on you and makes no sense.
i mean if someone wants to do that i don't care its their own body, but it's pointless self-harm with no benefits if you ask me, not to mention looks very cooky.
Yeah but its all how the person doing it looks at it. For instance every time I stretch my ears, there's some sort of pain but I get the best euphoric feeling ever and it feels so "clean" I guess you could say, its almost spiritual for me. Its just how each individual looks at it and if it harms no one else I don't think anyone should be able to judge them for it.
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: PreparationH]
#11920391 - 01/28/10 08:01 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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this guy helped to try and cover up sexual abuse of children, what more needs to be said about this fucker?
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: UnholyChild666]
#11920410 - 01/28/10 08:04 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Russel crow had one of his deck men whipped because he bumped into his Superior.
but then the Superior jumped off the boat to the bottom of the ocean
so moral of the story is that he's trying to kill god.
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: makaveli8x8]
#11920440 - 01/28/10 08:08 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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was the deck man naked?
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: UnholyChild666]
#11920558 - 01/28/10 08:24 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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half naked
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: PreparationH]
#11920588 - 01/28/10 08:29 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor
You mean...this isn't...normal??
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: MOTH]
#11920610 - 01/28/10 08:31 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't understand why people have to care about what other people do, including the Pope
If he was in to that sort of thing, whatever floats your boat, man.
On a more humorous note: Could you imagine the Pope doing this shit? "Whip me again Jesus. Harder. Harder."
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: gzuf]
#11920637 - 01/28/10 08:37 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Maybe there's something to it.
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: AcidDropper420]
#11920648 - 01/28/10 08:39 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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i mean seriously if u had 2 describe the pope to an alien he is like king of the peados... who beats himself 2 get closer to his imaginary friend... sounds like a normal guy....
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: pmb]
#11921148 - 01/28/10 10:15 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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PreparationH said: He believed it accomplished him getting closer to god, the only reason I disagree is because I don't believe in a creator.
Might as well be whipping himself to get closer to puff the magic dragon.
He could have killed himself, I do not care, you're right, it didn't affect anyone... but then again, this was the leader of the same religion which covered up child molestation and rapes.
Now, maybe I'm wrong, maybe god is real, I'm just stating my opinions
So why did you respect him in the first place?
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pmb said: I've never been around someone doing drugs who actively try and get people to do drugs if the person says no thanks.
I sure have. I've also been around people (I've even caught myself at times) talking to someone who doesn't use drugs about how great they are and why.
Or people who try and get drug users to do more than they want to. ("Come on just take another hit".)
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: jewunit]
#11921210 - 01/28/10 10:28 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Honestly, I think most of our problems lay in the Catholic Church itself rather than the private and personal actions of Paul numba two.
Whipping yourself? Everybody has a right to do whatever they want. As far as I'm concerned he coulda stuck his penis into a blender every night as long as he wasn't hurting others in the process.
Being the self-proclaimed middleman between god and human, is a whole nother story and one we should NOT confuse with the whipping, which is hilarious, but irrelevant.
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: Mind Transcribing]
#11922180 - 01/29/10 02:58 AM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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To be fair the Pope is not just self-proclaimed. There is a huge process that goes into deciding who will actually be the Pope. It's not just some guy who says "I will connect ye with God, now follow me".
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: jewunit]
#11923885 - 01/29/10 12:13 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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yea, it's a process of cardinals who sit in a room and vote, doing a weird tradition of changing the color of smoke when they choose the lucky winner
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: PreparationH]
#11926819 - 01/29/10 09:58 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Representative Democracy?
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: Madtowntripper]
#11926896 - 01/29/10 10:14 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Madtowntripper said: Representative Democracy?
it's more complicated than that. all the cardinals lock themselves in a room and get drunk on the blood of christ. then they play limp biscuit with the host and whoever loses eats it and becomes pope.
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: JT]
#11927483 - 01/30/10 01:00 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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We always called it soggy biscuit but whatever.
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Re: Pope John Paul II "whipped self and slept naked on floor [Re: PreparationH]
#11927540 - 01/30/10 01:17 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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That's pretty fucked up, just like that guy in the "The Fountain"
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