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Philosophy as distraction
    #11916590 - 01/28/10 08:42 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

My personal belief is that a healthy philosophy leads one into the study of personal psychology.

However I don't see too much of that going on. What I do see is what I call philosophical distraction. It's when folk latch on to questions that have no possibility or extreme unlikeliness of an answer and just run with these questions endlessly. On these questions I see folk either worrying them forever like a dog on a bone, or believing in a viewpoint based on fears and wishes and looking everywhere for confirmation of belief however sketchy and ignoring or fighting evidence against especially if compelling. The third type looks at these very interesting questions, determines they can't be answered after a short while and gets on to more personal matters.


Just an observation.


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Re: Philosophy as distraction [Re: Icelander]
    #11916600 - 01/28/10 08:46 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

all is well all is well

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Re: Philosophy as distraction [Re: Icelander]
    #11916607 - 01/28/10 08:49 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Everything is a distraction from facing the truth of oneself, philosophy, psychology, whatever, but i suppose psychology does attempt to get into the nitty gritty of the mind, but if you know your consciousness you don't need to sort out everything in the mind, you can just let it go instead.

If of course the goal of psychology is to be happy :shrug:


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Re: Philosophy as distraction [Re: Chronic7]
    #11916637 - 01/28/10 08:59 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)




Everything is a distraction from facing the truth of oneself, philosophy, psychology, whatever,


Do you have proof for any of this in the least?


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Re: Philosophy as distraction [Re: Icelander]
    #11916668 - 01/28/10 09:10 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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Icelander said:



Everything is a distraction from facing the truth of oneself, philosophy, psychology, whatever,


Do you have proof for any of this in the least?




Proof? and what will be the ruler to which the proof will be measured against? Rulers are created by humans.

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Re: Philosophy as distraction [Re: Icelander]
    #11916670 - 01/28/10 09:10 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

My proof is from observing myself & seeing that my mind used to constantly try to go onto some distraction instead of understanding itself, any object it went to was a self distraction of some kind, even the seemingly most profound of questions were distractions, something to mull over, perhaps for other peoples mind its not true, maybe everyone is fully awake to who they are & im the only one who was asleep :shrug:


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Re: Philosophy as distraction [Re: Icelander]
    #11916694 - 01/28/10 09:17 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Philosophy may easily be a distraction, but IMO personal psychology is not necessarily less so. And especially when the two merge, you might well end up with distraction^2.

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Re: Philosophy as distraction [Re: blackdust]
    #11916706 - 01/28/10 09:20 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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blackdust said:
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Icelander said:

Do you have proof for any of this in the least?




Proof? and what will be the ruler to which the proof will be measured against? Rulers are created by humans.





you must be the ruler

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Re: Philosophy as distraction [Re: blackdust]
    #11916735 - 01/28/10 09:28 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Thats true, you are the ruler to measure truth/proof, some just prefer having somoneelse tangibly proove things for them, (like scientists), which makes sense cause we cant really trust our own minds self delusion, but we can trust someone who say something is true cause its tangibly proovable.

The mind deals with tangible things, so it always wants something tangible to hold onto, as proof, as security, i say don't give it the satisfaction & the ultimatelty false sense of security as all minds eventually crumble to nothing, so if you solely trust in the mind...


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Re: Philosophy as distraction [Re: Chronic7]
    #11916738 - 01/28/10 09:28 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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My proof is from observing myself & seeing that my mind used to constantly try to go onto some distraction instead of understanding itself, any object it went to was a self distraction of some kind, even the seemingly most profound of questions were distractions, something to mull over, perhaps for other peoples mind its not true, maybe everyone is fully awake to who they are & im the only one who was asleep :shrug:




Right maybe you are .:shrug: That's why subjective proof is not worth much when making statements of fact.


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Re: Philosophy as distraction [Re: blackdust]
    #11916741 - 01/28/10 09:29 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

If others don't reply to you, try replying to yourself! :lol:


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Re: Philosophy as distraction [Re: Icelander]
    #11916745 - 01/28/10 09:29 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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On these questions I see folk either worrying them forever like a dog on a bone




Not to get too distracted, but what breed of dog?


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Re: Philosophy as distraction [Re: Icelander]
    #11916758 - 01/28/10 09:32 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

It was a fact for me, i said 'everything is a distraction' i didn't say its a distraction for everyone, i was talking about a stage of my mental evolution where that was the case.

For some reason you take my statement as sweeping statements where im referring to everyone, when im referring to myself & my experience


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Re: Philosophy as distraction [Re: Chronic7]
    #11916771 - 01/28/10 09:34 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Well you often make statements directed at others, or seemingly so. If all your views are exclusively subjective then why bother here? There's a really neat forum next door for you.:thumbup:


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Re: Philosophy as distraction [Re: Icelander]
    #11916776 - 01/28/10 09:36 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Still this old tune! :lol:

So theres nothing subjective at all about philosophy & psychology?


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Re: Philosophy as distraction [Re: Icelander]
    #11916779 - 01/28/10 09:37 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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Icelander said:
That's why subjective proof is not worth much when making statements of fact.





FACTS??? you mean regulations right?
b/c the facts suggest that it is always true.
Regulation suggest that it is partly true.
the part will never know the whole

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Re: Philosophy as distraction [Re: Chronic7]
    #11916781 - 01/28/10 09:37 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

It's a good tune if you take the time to listen. Unless your real intent is to preach rather than debate.:wink:


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Re: Philosophy as distraction [Re: Icelander]
    #11916791 - 01/28/10 09:40 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I dont have much desire to debate but i do enjoy philosophy & psychology to an extent
I will come here & i will make statements about psychology & philsophy, this should be obvious by now

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Icelander said:
If all your views are exclusively subjective then why bother here?




Every view every being has ever had is subjective
Hows that for a sweeping statement thats a fact?

I just smell terrotorial pissings...


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Re: Philosophy as distraction [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #11916805 - 01/28/10 09:42 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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On these questions I see folk either worrying them forever like a dog on a bone




Not to get too distracted, but what breed of dog?



LOL. :-)


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Re: Philosophy as distraction [Re: Chronic7]
    #11916807 - 01/28/10 09:42 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)



most all your statements about psychology and philosophy seem to be that they are all distractions from the one true knowledge you happen to possess.

BTW when's your book due to be released. I want an autographed copy to sell on ebay.


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    #11916993 - 01/28/10 10:37 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Philosophy as distraction [Re: Lakefingers]
    #11917012 - 01/28/10 10:42 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Well, as you know, I'm a dog person.:satansmoking:


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Re: Philosophy as distraction [Re: Icelander]
    #11917045 - 01/28/10 10:51 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Is Kilo a person dog?


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Re: Philosophy as distraction [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #11917065 - 01/28/10 10:55 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

No not really he's more of a thick headed dog.


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Re: Philosophy as distraction [Re: amuzakat]
    #11917116 - 01/28/10 11:06 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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amuzakat said:
Philosophy may easily be a distraction, but IMO personal psychology is not necessarily less so. And especially when the two merge, you might well end up with distraction^2.




Reflection does not get you far if you want a life of power. Reflection is mostly for the broken.

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Re: Philosophy as distraction [Re: Lakefingers]
    #11917379 - 01/28/10 12:15 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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amuzakat said:
Philosophy may easily be a distraction, but IMO personal psychology is not necessarily less so. And especially when the two merge, you might well end up with distraction^2.




Reflection does not get you far if you want a life of power. Reflection is mostly for the broken.



It depends on what kind of reflection we're talking about, but in general, I think I agree. Though I would say there isn't necessarily any contradiction between reflection and action, one need not make the other impossible.

But anyway, I wonder what philosophy is supposed to be a distraction from?

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Re: Philosophy as distraction [Re: amuzakat]
    #11917594 - 01/28/10 01:01 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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Icelander said:
My personal belief is that a healthy philosophy leads one into the study of personal psychology.




Yep.  If all we can ever know is our own subjective reality tunnel then it makes sense to study its characteristics.


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Re: Philosophy as distraction [Re: deCypher]
    #11917674 - 01/28/10 01:14 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

:thumbup:


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Re: Philosophy as distraction [Re: Icelander]
    #11918649 - 01/28/10 03:29 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I lack devotion, there is no love I can find. I lack devotion, to ease a worried mind. I suppose.

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Re: Philosophy as distraction [Re: amuzakat]
    #11934777 - 01/31/10 10:19 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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amuzakat said:
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Lakefingers said:
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amuzakat said:
Philosophy may easily be a distraction, but IMO personal psychology is not necessarily less so. And especially when the two merge, you might well end up with distraction^2.




Reflection does not get you far if you want a life of power. Reflection is mostly for the broken.



It depends on what kind of reflection we're talking about, but in general, I think I agree. Though I would say there isn't necessarily any contradiction between reflection and action, one need not make the other impossible.

But anyway, I wonder what philosophy is supposed to be a distraction from?




Yeah, it was a bit bumper-sticker crude.

Maybe philosophy's a distraction from pretending like everything's OK or suppressing uncomfortable things that come up.

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