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bitepourrie
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Re: Paddy Straw--Volvariella volvacea [Re: sparkle]
#16593804 - 07/26/12 04:15 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hi sparkle the speed is of no importance.All healthy volvariella are almost at the same speedincreasing the te speed of developpment of mycelia in agar plates or grain is mostly done by adding growth hormones. The importance is to have thick riz strands, fluffy mycelium in volva gives no fruitbodies or very few and small ones. Addionally look at the site of Anonbiotech in Thailand , its frequently mentionned he use supplements to produce plentyfull pinning. The importance is the number and size of fruitbodies.Volva is a very fast mushroom the slightest shortfall in nutrients during the growing phase will affect severely the end result
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BJML
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Re: Paddy Straw--Volvariella volvacea [Re: bitepourrie]
#16595101 - 07/26/12 07:24 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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bitepourrie said: Hi sparkle the speed is of no importance.All healthy volvariella are almost at the same speedincreasing the te speed of developpment of mycelia in agar plates or grain is mostly done by adding growth hormones. The importance is to have thick riz strands, fluffy mycelium in volva gives no fruitbodies or very few and small ones. Addionally look at the site of Anonbiotech in Thailand , its frequently mentionned he use supplements to produce plentyfull pinning. The importance is the number and size of fruitbodies.Volva is a very fast mushroom the slightest shortfall in nutrients during the growing phase will affect severely the end result
I do agree with you. based on my experience and so anonbiotech's to get jumbo mushroom, full of nutrition (supplements) in VV's growing media and the spore quality is important. We need the harvest quantity to fullfill the market demand, not the speed of micellia growth. I think, High quantity in slower growing periode is better than quick but produce low quantity. As a farmer, the speed in growing not a problem at all.
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Duimoc
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Re: Paddy Straw--Volvariella volvacea [Re: BJML]
#16604443 - 07/28/12 06:49 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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many useful infomation. the next time, I 'll come Thailand to look for how do they growth it but I think with AnonBiotec, that is Volvariella bombicina strain
-------------------- Wish list: 1. Paria cocos ...
Edited by Duimoc (07/28/12 06:56 AM)
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bitepourrie
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Re: Paddy Straw--Volvariella volvacea [Re: Duimoc]
#16607041 - 07/28/12 04:00 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Duim i correspond with the people from Anon its a Volvariella volvacea no bomb around there
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BJML
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Re: Paddy Straw--Volvariella volvacea [Re: Duimoc]
#16613959 - 07/29/12 10:56 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Duimoc said: the next time, I 'll come Thailand to look for how do they growth it but I think with AnonBiotec
after you visit Thailand, perhaps you can visit my farm in Indonesia guys.. eventhough anon and BJML have no work relation, but we have the same purpose, that is increasing the harvest quantity
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sparkle
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Re: Paddy Straw--Volvariella volvacea [Re: BJML]
#16614239 - 07/29/12 11:40 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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There must be some variations between strains. I just want to take this opportunity to look for a really "good" strain, whatever that would mean because there are so many VV's around here. It might be of interest to you guys the way they grow it here. No spawn, no spores but they harvest every time. Spawnless Volvariella Cultivation Mung bean hull must be perfect for VV.
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bitepourrie
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Re: Paddy Straw--Volvariella volvacea [Re: sparkle]
#16614357 - 07/30/12 12:02 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah try it sparkle, i know the guy who promoted it, its a worker from the university of laguna and now in tarlac, take the agricultural magazines from some time ago several articles about mushroom growing. Went there only to find about a hundred bags rotten substrate plenty with green molds .... fake.Just for demonstration and when i asked about the 300participants ... only 2 left in misery. and he indeed harvested on a bed of approximatively 1,200 kg end substrate approximatively 30 kg mushroom. I cannot have a commercial viable farm under 35 pct biological efficiency. I also tried to cooperative with the new mushroom center in tarlac with the microbiologist Soriano, she delivered me 10 bags of spawn of Volvariella 9 were contaminated with green mold. Whats true is that end substrate with kawate and ipil leaves give much better result them pure rice straw
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Duimoc
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Re: Paddy Straw--Volvariella volvacea [Re: bitepourrie]
#16614884 - 07/30/12 03:42 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Oh ... I see on Anon. they tell me that 's a V.v strains They used produces, too: KAT 301, KAT 901 ...
In my country. has no this trains. with [BJML] : you have a good strain. I visited your web, too.
Im trying growth V.v, additional other component: hormon, Oyster extracts, herb extracts ... the size of V.v has no change, but with herb extracts, some of them, if I add in compost - the insect will go away, no maggots. the last week, there were the agricutural diplomatic corps of Indonesia, they came and visit my organ. I askes about the growing mushroom in Indonesia - their answer were verry common. I think they dont care about mushroom or my guest does not know it.
Anonbiotec sold this mushroom with 70 USD price. anyone can contact to buy this strain for growth own. (but add component of Anon or equivalent)
-------------------- Wish list: 1. Paria cocos ...
Edited by Duimoc (07/30/12 03:54 AM)
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bitepourrie
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Re: Paddy Straw--Volvariella volvacea [Re: Duimoc]
#16614933 - 07/30/12 04:13 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah Duim now you understand that commercial mushroom cultivation is very closed business with many secrets until you got some succes. Unfortunatly my strain i got last year was destroyed in an electicity mishap where all my termostat were overloaded and burned. But i am on the new track to make it better.There is no feasable viable cultivation of Volvariella volvacea without enhancing techniques with added supplement. Their KAT from anon are such supplements.
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sparkle
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Re: Paddy Straw--Volvariella volvacea [Re: bitepourrie]
#16615104 - 07/30/12 06:02 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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It does work here in this part of the country. Almost every other household has a VV patch on mung hull and they're giants. Can't make it commercial since the market is a problem, will post pics soon.
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Duimoc
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Re: Paddy Straw--Volvariella volvacea [Re: bitepourrie]
#16615353 - 07/30/12 08:05 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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ok agree with you.
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sparkle
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Re: Paddy Straw--Volvariella volvacea [Re: bitepourrie]
#16617100 - 07/30/12 03:15 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Our town is called the mungbean capital of the Philippines. Mung bean harvest season ended about a month ago here. I'm curious about this spawnless mushroom production so I got about 12 sacks of hull from a roadside mound. But I got too busy and I forgot about it. Yesterday there was a giant VV poking out of a hole in the bag. So I poured the hulls and there were lots of VV eggs and rotten mushrooms. There's still a lot of healthy mycellia so I'm hoping it's not too late yet.
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BJML
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Re: Paddy Straw--Volvariella volvacea [Re: Duimoc]
#16620133 - 07/31/12 01:12 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Duimoc said: Oh ... I see on Anon. they tell me that 's a V.v strains They used produces, too: KAT 301, KAT 901 ...
In my country. has no this trains. with [BJML] : you have a good strain. I visited your web, too.
the last week, there were the agricutural diplomatic corps of Indonesia, they came and visit my organ. I askes about the growing mushroom in Indonesia - their answer were verry common. I think they dont care about mushroom or my guest does not know it.
Thank's for visiting my web Duimoc.
Yeah you're right about those indonesian idiot diplomatic agricultural teams. They always traveling to some places specially abroad to get much trip money for themself, they blind about numerous local mushroom farmers in Indonesia who needs their support specially market. Base on my opinion, they should find us export market for blanching VV.
that's why i joint this group to show that mushroom farming in indonesia is here with you guys from over the world.
I believe, each farmer over the world has own unique VV's growing techniques.
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bitepourrie
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Re: Paddy Straw--Volvariella volvacea [Re: BJML]
#16620244 - 07/31/12 01:53 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thats the problem with Volvariella marketing very short shelf life.Only selected strains offer somewhat better shelf life but still need to be sold with 48 hours. For home use for one household its OK but to sell by the Tons is very difficult.An alternative is drying(like the Chinese do) or canning Yes support for local mushroom farmers is non existant here
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OICU812
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Re: Paddy Straw--Volvariella volvacea [Re: sparkle]
#16626597 - 08/01/12 05:58 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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sparkle said: Our town is called the mungbean capital of the Philippines. Mung bean harvest season ended about a month ago here. I'm curious about this spawnless mushroom production so I got about 12 sacks of hull from a roadside mound. But I got too busy and I forgot about it. Yesterday there was a giant VV poking out of a hole in the bag. So I poured the hulls and there were lots of VV eggs and rotten mushrooms. There's still a lot of healthy mycellia so I'm hoping it's not too late yet.
Go for it, sparkle! Did you inoculate the bag or were they fruiting spontaneously?
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packdee58
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Re: Paddy Straw--Volvariella volvacea [Re: Duimoc]
#16950556 - 10/02/12 08:00 AM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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Duimoc said: Oh ... I see on Anon. they tell me that 's a V.v strains They used produces, too: KAT 301, KAT 901 ...
In my country. has no this trains. with [BJML] : you have a good strain. I visited your web, too.
Im trying growth V.v, additional other component: hormon, Oyster extracts, herb extracts ... the size of V.v has no change, but with herb extracts, some of them, if I add in compost - the insect will go away, no maggots. the last week, there were the agricutural diplomatic corps of Indonesia, they came and visit my organ. I askes about the growing mushroom in Indonesia - their answer were verry common. I think they dont care about mushroom or my guest does not know it.
Anonbiotec sold this mushroom with 70 USD price. anyone can contact to buy this strain for growth own. (but add component of Anon or equivalent)
Hello Duimoc It is very easy to make straw mushroom big. I only use a close up lens and a known background.
@Bitepourrie, I am going to clone this one for you.
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Javadog
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Re: Paddy Straw--Volvariella volvacea [Re: packdee58]
#16950580 - 10/02/12 08:09 AM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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Very nice eggs.
I read of how people like to harvest them in the egg stage, as they are the most edible then.
The egg "shell" ;0) has to be peeled off before cooking, right?
It does not seem that tender to me.
Just curious.
Take care all,
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sparkle
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Re: Paddy Straw--Volvariella volvacea [Re: Javadog]
#16951862 - 10/02/12 01:23 PM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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That's funny Packadee. JD, here it's eaten at egg stage only. When it sporulates, the spores are actually discernible to the tongue and quite unpleasant. And no you don't peel it. The skin is another texture altogether but not tough.
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bitepourrie
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Re: Paddy Straw--Volvariella volvacea [Re: sparkle]
#16952713 - 10/02/12 03:29 PM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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The Indonesian volvariella are not volvacea but diplasia, more witish and bigger. Who peels straw mushroom lol??? We eat them like we harvest them and open we eat them after the spores are gone.
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Terry M
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Re: Paddy Straw--Volvariella volvacea [Re: bitepourrie]
#16953265 - 10/02/12 04:49 PM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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bitepourrie said: The Indonesian volvariella are not volvacea but diplasia, more witish and bigger. Who peels straw mushroom lol??? We eat them like we harvest them and open we eat them after the spores are gone.
Wow! Now I have to find a paper or a key so that I, an inexperienced Volvariella person, can tell the difference!
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