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Prisoner#1
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PreparationH said: They charged him w/ a felony because he has an open case for home invasion and shit.
right, so he's got an open case for a felony charge of home invasion, goes ahead and commits crimes, receiving stolen goods which is typically a felony on it's own... seems he doesnt know when to stop
and no, because of the home invasion charge, he'll never own a firearm again unless he can beat both charges in court... then it's like he did nothing
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Re: Felons owning firearms? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#11908903 - 01/26/10 10:33 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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PreparationH said: kid comes from a big hunting family and he's worried he'll never be able to go hunt now that's why I ask.
these are some of the things people should consider when considering any criminal act, how's it going to affect me when I get caught, notice I use when... because it's a possibility... of course everyone is too smart for the cops so it'll never happen
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As for me wanting him near a gun, this is a drug website, there are people on the other side of the fence who think marijuana users shouldn't own a gun. This argument is terrible, but I'm just saying.
home invasion to support his drug use... consider which is his crime, had he simply been busted for drugs I'm sure few people would have an issue with that... stop minimizing the real crime and believing that the drugs were the real issue
He doesn't give a shit who he hurts and it's that simple. He takes from others to give to himself... He doesn't deserve a weapon and I hope he doesn't get one.
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Prisoner#1
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Re: Felons owning firearms? [Re: Adden]
#11908904 - 01/26/10 10:33 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Dystopia said: At least he can still vote...
in a few states, most dont allow felons to vote
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Re: Felons owning firearms? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#11908910 - 01/26/10 10:35 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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At least somebody got it.
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Re: Felons owning firearms? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#11908917 - 01/26/10 10:35 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Dystopia said: Not in the USA.
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PreparationH said: kid comes from a big hunting family and he's worried he'll never be able to go hunt now that's why I ask.
these are some of the things people should consider when considering any criminal act, how's it going to affect me when I get caught, notice I use when... because it's a possibility... of course everyone is too smart for the cops so it'll never happen
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As for me wanting him near a gun, this is a drug website, there are people on the other side of the fence who think marijuana users shouldn't own a gun. This argument is terrible, but I'm just saying.
home invasion to support his drug use... consider which is his crime, had he simply been busted for drugs I'm sure few people would have an issue with that... stop minimizing the real crime and believing that the drugs were the real issue
the drugs aren't the issue, his stupidity is the culprit. Thanks for everyones time though I will go break his heart even harder now
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PreparationH said:
Can he own a gun ever?
not legally
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Re: Felons owning firearms? [Re: blazenn]
#11908946 - 01/26/10 10:41 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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blazenn said:
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Can he own a gun ever?
not legally
always somebody. He claims he's going to keep his rifles and if anyone breaks in he'd still shoot them, better save his life and spend time in jail then to get killed he says.
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Fuck yeah.
Too bad he already told someone, now it's game over.
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Re: Felons owning firearms? [Re: Adden]
#11908991 - 01/26/10 10:47 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Dystopia said: Fuck yeah.
Too bad he already told someone, now it's game over.
oh snap, you have the book club going huh? I'm gonna read what is on that page now.
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Not much, really.
The votes were good but nobody reads anymore.
It's too bad.
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Prisoner#1
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PreparationH said: the drugs aren't the issue, his stupidity is the culprit.
lets not let stupid people have guns
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Re: Felons owning firearms? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#11909154 - 01/26/10 11:13 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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PreparationH said: the drugs aren't the issue, his stupidity is the culprit.
lets not let stupid people have guns
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Re: Felons owning firearms? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#11909252 - 01/26/10 11:30 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Wow really strong opinions in this thread. Well I didnt really notice any actual facts stated; however I can speak from the experience of speaking with a practicing criminal defense attorney about this topic recently.This could very from state to state with the specifics but the general concept is the same. This info should be available online.
Once you have been convicted of a felony and have completed the sentence requirements of said felony you have the right to petition for your rights back or try and get the felony expunged. The longer the time from felony and the less serious the felony the more likely of winning the petition. The attorney I spoke with recommended this would work for a first time offender who had NOT re offended in 5 years following completion of their sentence.
If the records expunged then he wouldn't be a felon anymore. Well not on paper anyway.
As far as not getting it expunged but regaining some rights my understanding is that a person could petition to get the rights back and if the charges weren't drug related or violent it was possible to get all your rights back. But I didn't get the specifics as it wasn't really applicable. However I don't see how a convicted felon could own a gun regardless of what state due to Federal Fire Arm regulations.
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yep, like I said, conflicting information lol
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He could own a muzzle loader. That which pretty much is a musket. A few states I lived in had a muzzle loading season. He can get his records expunged as previously stated. since he has 3 charges against him I'm gonna say highly unlikely.
Buy a guy for said felon would be a felony in its self. I want to say 3 years in jail but I could be wrong. It comes back that he kills someone with said fire arm you are looking at 20 years longer
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Re: Felons owning firearms? [Re: trekie]
#11909570 - 01/27/10 01:13 AM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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unretarded said: Its tricky at best,here is what the feds have to say about it,but as it mentions state law overides it in the state of the felony .
Federal law prohibits any person who has ever been “convicted in any court of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year” to ever or for any reason “possess… any firearm or ammunition.” 18 U.S.C. 922(g) makes it a federal crime for any person who has ever been convicted of any felony to ever possess any firearm regardless if it is inside or outside of the home. This blanket federal ban on all felon gun possession is punishable with up to 10 years of imprisonment.
There are exceptions to this rule in some instances. Federal law contains an explicit statutory exclusion which provides that the federal criminal offense of firearms possession is inapplicable to persons who has had their civil rights restored on the predicate state felony conviction. 18 U.S.C. §921(a)(20) provides:
What constitutes a conviction of such a crime shall be determined in accordance with the law of the jurisdiction in which the proceedings were held. Any conviction which has been expunged, or set aside or for which a person has been pardoned or has had civil rights restored shall not be considered a conviction for purposes of this chapter, unless such pardon, expungement, or restoration of civil rights expressly [or implicitly as a matter of state law] provides that the person may not ship, transport, possess, or receive firearms.
Whether a person has had his civil rights restored for a state conviction is a matter determined by state, not federal law. However, for federal law to recognize the state restoration of rights exception, the terms of the restoration must include the right to vote, the right to seek and hold public office, and the right to serve on a jury. If the restoring state includes the three aforementioned rights then federal law contains an additional clause that must be examined. This clause looks to the actual state law to see if there are any restrictions imposed on the right of the convicted felon to possess a weapon. If there is some added firearms restriction under state law, then the federal clause is triggered to make the possession of any firearms unlawful under federal law, despite the state’s restoration of civil rights.
Is there any other way to regain the right to own a gun? In theory, one can submit an application to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, (ATF) under 18 U.S.C. § 925(c) requesting restoration of your gun rights. The application is supposedly granted if “it is established . . . that the circumstances . . . and the applicant’s record and reputation, are such that the applicant will not be likely to act in a manner dangerous to public safety and that the granting of the relief would not be contrary to the public interest.”
Found that on This thread
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Prisoner#1
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ThailandBound said: Once you have been convicted of a felony and have completed the sentence requirements of said felony you have the right to petition for your rights back or try and get the felony expunged.
nope... this has to be done through the BATF, a release from disability, something they stopped doing 20 years ago and even if they still did it many crimes dont qualify, violent crimes like home invasion are automatic exclusion
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PreparationH said: I looked into it, got different information.
Old(dumb) friend of mine is now a felon for a non violent and non gun related crime- receiving of stolen goods. The only reason that it was a felony is because he has another ongoing case of home invasion and theft.
this was the friend who snowballed down hill and well, began robbing houses to support his heroin habit. Anyway, he's sobered up(for now) and wanted to know if he ruined his possibility of ever hunting with a gun again.
anyone know first hand?
dre has a gun and he's a felon, right?
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Re: Felons owning firearms? [Re: Adden]
#11909757 - 01/27/10 02:45 AM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Dystopia said: At least he can still vote...
Youngsters don't do that... And this felon has been Voting ever since I completed my parole back in '84. . . .
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Re: Felons owning firearms? [Re: vinsue]
#11909828 - 01/27/10 03:33 AM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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no, no way. depending on state, swards, knives even bats can be outlawed for life. no firearms. in some places a tire iron should only be in the trunk. busted!
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