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Re: Greatest Spiritual Quotes? [Re: circastes]
#13700752 - 12/29/10 12:56 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Good to hear that is one of my favourite books.
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I swear to, erm, God, that the idea that he is somehow special and an avatar is something kind of lost in translation..
I think I know what you are getting at but can you rephrase that or elaborate?
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Re: Greatest Spiritual Quotes? [Re: soldatheero]
#13700833 - 12/29/10 01:10 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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I just don't get how any of us can be special. I'm pretty sure, all being one, that we are all equal? After all there's no competition but with oneself - all intellects are one. Literally. And I don't understand why we would need something like an avatar to 'come down' and say again the only truth that exists, which is already innately known.
Everything else he says seems right to me, just this idea that he was 'ACTUALLY' God 'ITSELF', and then obviously he says that everyone is God... but has this special place reserved for himself - as the avatar of the age, God personified. Are we not all God personified?
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Re: Greatest Spiritual Quotes? [Re: circastes]
#13700994 - 12/29/10 01:36 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah I hear this a lot. As in people claiming no one can have any spiritual authority because we are all one and ultimately the same in reality. Someone else even said something similar a few posts back.
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I think people should just stop crediting quotes altogether. (novel speeches and paragraphs aside) This one especially as it says, Meher wouldn't be the only contributor to the quote; the universe would be.
Thing is we are not in reality, we are in illusion, duality the world of relativity's.
From the perspective of the ultimate reality everything is indeed one and identical, even a rock or a dog is no different then yourself. Yet it would be pretty silly to think a rock or a plant has as much power as you do wouldn't it? Although it technically does it is unconscious of it's power or its power is latent.
There is no difference in the Souls but there is a difference in the experience of the soul and therefore the state of the soul.
Just as a dog is not equal to a man not all men are at the same level of spiritual advancement. Normal people in this world have a partial view of reality which is determined by impressions on the mind (the sanskaras). Of course the way one sees reality doesn't change reality itself hence no matter how one perceives oneself, oneself remains the same.
A real Guru or a perfect master does not have any sanskaras, no impressions, and they are therefore not limited by them. It is incredibly difficult for one to rid himself of his own impressions, throughout Meher's books he gives numerous analogies of why this is so.
Now the Avatar is a unique Guru or perfect master as he was the first soul in the universe to become god-realized or to become one with the oversoul.
According to Baba, being the first soul, he was the only soul that did not need a master to attain godhood. All others need the aid of the master because it is supremely difficult to become one with another conscious soul.. they have to merge with the Avatar. This is explained in further depth in 'The Discourses'.
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Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life: no one cometh unto the Father, but by me.
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Re: Greatest Spiritual Quotes? [Re: soldatheero]
#13701004 - 12/29/10 01:38 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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So Meher Baba claims he was the FIRST soul in the entire Universe to become god-realized? Seems kinda egotistical to me.
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Re: Greatest Spiritual Quotes? [Re: deCypher]
#13701095 - 12/29/10 01:58 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah sure it seems egotistical from your own egotistical perspective. It is not the same coming from someone who has eliminated that kind of ego.
He would also say it does not matter that he was the first soul to become God-realized - it has no meaning. From the perspective that we are all one, no one is more special then anyone else.
It is possible it is true. Plus if it is true does that mean he should not ever tell you because it would be egotistical? Should he not tell anyone for the sake of being modest? What if it is necessary for people to know?
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Beware of modesty. Modesty, under the cloak of humility, invariably leads one into the clutches of self-deception. Modesty breeds egoism, and man eventually succumbs to pride through assumed humility.
modesty is the basis of guise, true greatness is free from camouflage.
Mehers own words
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Re: Greatest Spiritual Quotes? [Re: soldatheero]
#13701124 - 12/29/10 02:03 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sure, it's possible that it's true... but it seems funny saying that Jesus, Buddha, Krishna, and many other influential spiritual figures prior to Baba all weren't God-realized.
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Re: Greatest Spiritual Quotes? [Re: deCypher]
#13701179 - 12/29/10 02:12 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Jesus, Buddha, Krishna, Mohammud and Meher Baba are all the same person.
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Re: Greatest Spiritual Quotes? [Re: soldatheero]
#13701223 - 12/29/10 02:20 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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I see.
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#13701249 - 12/29/10 02:25 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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GOD IS SATAN
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#13701541 - 12/29/10 03:21 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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So I'm beginning to piece together that, we need do nothing to realise we are God, it is already known, realised and we're already used to it. All we need do is stop ourselves from straying with these sanskaras or vasanas or whatever they are that cause us to fear, doubt, desire, and what not. And the funny thing is when you get rid of them, you realise, they were never really there. You were always perfect. Perhaps that is the true meaning of illusion. It works in this almost magical way. Merely remember who you are, without doing anything to remember because you already have, and that's it, game over. Literally - the cosmic game is over.
Sorry for the digression but I didn't know where else to say this. Start ANOTHER thread? Naahhh..
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Re: Greatest Spiritual Quotes? [Re: circastes]
#13704598 - 12/30/10 05:13 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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circastes said:All we need do is stop ourselves from straying with these sanskaras or vasanas or whatever they are that cause us to fear, doubt, desire, and what not. And the funny thing is when you get rid of them, you realise, they were never really there.
This is the paradox
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#13725271 - 01/03/11 03:04 PM (13 years, 27 days ago) |
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And here's perhaps a good poem by R.D. Laing about it:
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Before one goes through the gate one may not be aware there is a gate One may think there is a gate to go through and look a long time for it without finding it One may find it and it may not open If it opens one may be through it As one goes through it one sees that the gate one went through was the self that went through it no one went through a gate there was no gate to go through no one ever found a gate no one ever realized there was never a gate
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#13744975 - 01/06/11 11:23 PM (13 years, 24 days ago) |
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"Enlightenment is the understanding that this is all, that this is perfect, that this is it. Enlightenment is not an achievement, it is an understanding that there is nothing to achieve, nowhere to go." -Osho
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#13746059 - 01/07/11 05:30 AM (13 years, 24 days ago) |
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Hi everyone, cool thread! Mad seeing the different spiritual perspectives that inspire people aye. I find myself wondering at some of them, what is it about that quote from that text that speaks to your condition more than the others. Things like the Dao De Ching where nearly every verse is arguably as inspiring as the next, yet i myself still have ones that speak to my condition more than others.
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Nice quote
Epic realization
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#13748120 - 01/07/11 02:49 PM (13 years, 23 days ago) |
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'A half-century from now no one will know the smells that prevailed in our streets and rooms. They will excavate some military hero of stone, of which there are hundreds in every city, and heave a sigh for Phidias of yore. Everything in the world is beautiful, but Man only recognizes beauty if he sees it either seldom or from afar....Listen....today, we are gods! Our blue shadows are enormous. We move in a gigantic, joyous world.' -Vladimir Nabokov, "Gods"
'The centuries will roll by, and schoolboys will yawn over the history of our upheavals; everything will pass, but my happiness, dear, my happiness will remain, in the moist reflection of a streetlamp, in the cautious bend of stone steps that descend into the canal's black waters, in the smiles of a dancing couple, in everything with which God so generously surrounds human loneliness.' -Nabokov, "A Letter That Never Reached Russia"
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#13750198 - 01/07/11 10:43 PM (13 years, 23 days ago) |
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"Buy the ticket, take the ride."
Edited by SteezeMonkey (02/14/11 09:13 PM)
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#13750772 - 01/08/11 03:55 AM (13 years, 23 days ago) |
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"What is the path? the Zen Master Nan-sen was asked. Everyday life is the path, he answered."
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Man’s best chance of finding God is to look in the place where he left him --- Meister Eckhart
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