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Lion
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Re: Greatest Spiritual Quotes? [Re: deCypher]
#13524738 - 11/22/10 02:35 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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deCypher said: If you're going to try, go all the way. Otherwise, don't even start. This could mean losing girlfriends, wives, relatives and maybe even your mind. It could mean not eating for three or four days. It could mean freezing on a park bench. It could mean jail. It could mean derision. It could mean mockery--isolation. Isolation is the gift. All the others are a test of your endurance, of how much you really want to do it. And, you'll do it, despite rejection and the worst odds. And it will be better than anything else you can imagine. If you're going to try, go all the way. There is no other feeling like that. You will be alone with the gods, and the nights will flame with fire. You will ride life straight to perfect laughter. It's the only good fight there is. --Charles Bukowski
Bullshit, IMO.
-------------------- “Strengthened by contemplation and study, I will not fear my passions like a coward. My body I will give to pleasures, to diversions that I’ve dreamed of, to the most daring erotic desires, to the lustful impulses of my blood, without any fear at all, for whenever I will— and I will have the will, strengthened as I’ll be with contemplation and study— at the crucial moments I’ll recover my spirit as was before: ascetic.”
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Re: Greatest Spiritual Quotes? [Re: Lion]
#13524746 - 11/22/10 02:37 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Care to elaborate why you think so? IMO, it's a beautifully written paragraph.
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Re: Greatest Spiritual Quotes? [Re: deCypher]
#13525170 - 11/22/10 04:05 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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deCypher said: Care to elaborate why you think so? IMO, it's a beautifully written paragraph.
To me it smacks of masculine overly mythological thinking. IMO there is no great journey/hero's journey, whose existence the paragraph (as I read it) implies, nor is there some golden reward like "perfect laughter" or some magical state that is "better than anything you can imagine."
-------------------- “Strengthened by contemplation and study, I will not fear my passions like a coward. My body I will give to pleasures, to diversions that I’ve dreamed of, to the most daring erotic desires, to the lustful impulses of my blood, without any fear at all, for whenever I will— and I will have the will, strengthened as I’ll be with contemplation and study— at the crucial moments I’ll recover my spirit as was before: ascetic.”
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Re: Greatest Spiritual Quotes? [Re: Lion]
#13525204 - 11/22/10 04:12 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Anyway, I'm sure I've posted quotes with similar sentiments before. That was just my gut feeling when I read it, a reflection of where I'm at now mentally (no place special).
-------------------- “Strengthened by contemplation and study, I will not fear my passions like a coward. My body I will give to pleasures, to diversions that I’ve dreamed of, to the most daring erotic desires, to the lustful impulses of my blood, without any fear at all, for whenever I will— and I will have the will, strengthened as I’ll be with contemplation and study— at the crucial moments I’ll recover my spirit as was before: ascetic.”
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Re: Greatest Spiritual Quotes? [Re: Lion]
#13525497 - 11/22/10 05:05 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hmm, the way I read it Bukowski perfectly illustrates the feeling of getting into an extremely creative zone and stopping at nothing to let the energy just pour through. To each his own.
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Re: Greatest Spiritual Quotes? [Re: deCypher]
#13526301 - 11/22/10 07:34 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah, I suppose it would help to have some context before I dismissed the quote as BS. To me it seemed like he was talking about a Hero's Journey type thing, not just artistic creativity. The abandoning the wives/girlfriends bit, and the isolation bit, seemed to parallel the stories of Buddha and other world-renunciants who are considered spiritually "complete."
-------------------- “Strengthened by contemplation and study, I will not fear my passions like a coward. My body I will give to pleasures, to diversions that I’ve dreamed of, to the most daring erotic desires, to the lustful impulses of my blood, without any fear at all, for whenever I will— and I will have the will, strengthened as I’ll be with contemplation and study— at the crucial moments I’ll recover my spirit as was before: ascetic.”
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Re: Greatest Spiritual Quotes? [Re: Lion] 1
#13538293 - 11/25/10 01:11 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quotes from Great Physicists!
"I am a scientist: I trace the lines that come from God." (Einstein, letter to Gandhi)
"The cosmic religious experience is the strongest and the noblest driving force behind scientific research." (Einstein)
"The most beautiful system of the sun, planets and comets, could only proceed from the counsel and dominion of an intelligent and powerful Being." (Isaac Newton)
"All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force... We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent Mind. This Mind is the matrix of all matter." (Max Planck)
"God forever does geometry." (Plato, according to Plutarch).
"Nature's great book is written in mathematical language". (Gallileo)
"Modern physics has definitely decided for Plato. For the smallest units of matter are not physical objects in the ordinary sense of the word; they are forms, or in Plato's sense, Ideas, which can be unambiguously spoken of only in the language of mathematics." (Werner Heisenberg)
"The Great Architect of the Universe now begins to appear as a pure mathematician... The universe begins to look more like a great thought than a great machine." (Sir James Jeans, early founder of Quantum Theory)
".... a world created out of pure intelligence." (Sir James Jeans)
"All through the physical world runs that unknown content which must surely be the stuff of our consciousness.... The stuff of the world is mind-stuff." ( (Sir Arthur Eddington, early founders of Quantum Theory and president of the Royal Academy of Science - and a Quaker)
I assert that the nature of all reality is spiritual, not material nor a dualism of matter and spirit... I contemplate a spiritual domain underlying the physical world." (Arthur Eddington)
"The next revolution in physics will occur when the properties of mind will be included in the equations of quantum theory." (Eugene Wigner)
“For those of us who believe in physics, this separation between past, present and future is only an illusion.” (Einstein)
"The universe does not exist out there, independent of us. We are inescapably involved in bringing about that which appears to be happening. We are not only observers. We are participators. In some strange sense, this is a participatory universe." (John Wheeler)
"There is nothing in the world except empty curved space. Matter, charge, electromagnetism, and other fields are only manifestations of the curvature of space." (John Wheeler)
"Behind it all is surely an idea so simple, so beautiful, that when we grasp it we will all say to each other, how could it have been otherwise? How could we have been so stupid?"(John Wheeler)
"If you haven't found something strange during the day, it hasn't been much of a day." (John Wheeler)
John Wheeler, who died in 1995, was one of the 20th Century's most important teachers of physics, at Princeton and the University of Texas.
"The cosmos is also within us. We are made of stars. We are a way for the cosmos to know itself." (Carl Sagan)
"If you want to make an apple pie, you first have to create the universe." (Carl Sagan)
"The vacuum of physics contains in its faculties everything that the laws of nature will permit. It fluctuates - the virtual particles come and go. The only thing they are missing is the energy it would take to make them appear as real particles. All that can appear in reality must be present as a possibility - as a state of virtual particles - in the vacuum. Add energy to the vacuum and those virtual states may appear as particles." (Henning Genz) *
"The physical vacuum... carries within itself the possibilities of everything that can exist in the physical world. Once we attain true knowledge of the vacuum, we will have a comprehensive knowledge of everything, including the laws of nature. It is as in the thinking of the ancient philosophers. The knowledge of the void, the "nothing," is intimately connected with the knowledge of the "something."... We take it as a matter of course that empty space is not really empty." (Henning Genz) *
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Re: Greatest Spiritual Quotes? [Re: soldatheero] 1
#13543131 - 11/26/10 08:20 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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"No act of kindness, no matter how small, is ever wasted" -- Aesop
"Service to others is the rent you pay for your room here on Earth." -- Muhammad Ali
What is the essence of life? To serve others and to do good. -- Aristotle
http://www.betterworld.net/quotes/volunteer-quotes.htm
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Re: Greatest Spiritual Quotes? [Re: retrospect] 2
#13557432 - 11/29/10 01:48 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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In every being true love towards oneself exists as one's own nature. Therefore the duty of those who desire to obtain supreme love is to know, through thorough inquiry, their real nature.
Ramana Maharshi

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Re: Greatest Spiritual Quotes? [Re: Chronic7] 1
#13560876 - 11/30/10 01:10 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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very very very true; know thyself
-------------------- The best way to live is to be like water For water benefits all things and goes against none of them It provides for all people and even cleanses those places a man is loath to go In this way it is just like Tao ~Daodejing
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Re: Greatest Spiritual Quotes? [Re: Cracka_X] 1
#13573359 - 12/02/10 01:37 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Everyone and everything is everyone and everything,
at the same time, and for all time
Meher
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Re: Greatest Spiritual Quotes? [Re: soldatheero]
#13575577 - 12/02/10 10:56 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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soldatheero said: Everyone and everything is everyone and everything,
at the same time, and for all time
Meher
I think people should just stop crediting quotes altogether. (novel speeches and paragraphs aside) This one especially as it says, Meher wouldn't be the only contributor to the quote; the universe would be.
-------------------- The best way to live is to be like water For water benefits all things and goes against none of them It provides for all people and even cleanses those places a man is loath to go In this way it is just like Tao ~Daodejing
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Re: Greatest Spiritual Quotes? [Re: Cracka_X] 1
#13575585 - 12/02/10 10:58 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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"When you can walk on water, take the boat."
-------------------- Dont forget to stop and smell your flowers
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Re: Greatest Spiritual Quotes? [Re: newshOne]
#13580932 - 12/04/10 09:34 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think people should just stop crediting quotes altogether. (novel speeches and paragraphs aside) This one especially as it says, Meher wouldn't be the only contributor to the quote; the universe would be.
I agree from a certain perspective but not overall.
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Re: Greatest Spiritual Quotes? [Re: Chronic7] 1
#13587937 - 12/05/10 09:58 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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"Religion is poison" Mao Tse Tung
-------------------- " ... and then there are the unknown unknowns. Those things that we don't know that we don't know that we don't know."
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Re: Greatest Spiritual Quotes? [Re: blinkybill] 1
#13617500 - 12/11/10 02:04 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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See my sig.
-------------------- "We have been to the moon, we have charted the depths of the ocean and the heart of the atom, but we have a fear of looking inward to ourselves because we sense that is where all the contradictions flow together." - Terence McKenna My Soundcloud
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Re: Greatest Spiritual Quotes? [Re: shamantis]
#13622435 - 12/12/10 05:14 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm not a big fan of McKenna for statements exactly like that. There are plenty of people out there, scientists included, that see these details from discoveries as another part of the grand picture.
I believe McKenna either lacks the pragmatic understanding of this or he, like so many others, would rather use the US vs THEM rhetorical technique.
I've tried to like McKenna but every time I read or hear his thoughts, I can't help but think that he's missing the forest for the trees. I believe he experienced life in a comparable way to a great many of us, but I don't think he understands his own upbringing might shape the way he communicates these/this Idea(s).
He does speak out to those who are open to "That". Unfortunately, I haven't been able to appreciate him like so.
All in all, he conjectures waaaaaayyyy too much for my taste and I wish he would be a bit more vaguely all-encompassing.
-------------------- The best way to live is to be like water For water benefits all things and goes against none of them It provides for all people and even cleanses those places a man is loath to go In this way it is just like Tao ~Daodejing
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Re: Greatest Spiritual Quotes? [Re: Cracka_X] 1
#13693685 - 12/27/10 10:22 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Been a minute since Ive visited the site... Hi everyone!
Heres one Ive liked for a while now...
Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration. That we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather." -Bill Hicks
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Re: Greatest Spiritual Quotes? [Re: XxShibbyxX]
#13693711 - 12/27/10 10:27 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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I always loved the way Hicks put that. What a great quote.
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Re: Greatest Spiritual Quotes? [Re: OctoberLeigh] 1
#13699482 - 12/29/10 04:16 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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"To know Reality is to become it. It is nearest to you - for, in fact, it is you. Owing to ignorance God who is nearest appears to be farthest. But when the veil of ignorance is rent by the grace of the Perfect Master you become you—the real Self which is the innermost Reality that you are, ever were and ever will be." -Meher Baba
Reading The Everything and the Nothing atm. I swear to, erm, God, that the idea that he is somehow special and an avatar is something kind of lost in translation... or else I am yet to understand something due to my limited consciousness.
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