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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Excerpts on Realisation
    #11895838 - 01/25/10 12:19 AM (14 years, 25 days ago)

Quotes from a so called Avatar on what it means to be Realised
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To lead men and women to the heights of Realisation, we must help them to overcome fear and greed, anger and passion. These are the result of looking upon the self as a limited, separate physical entity, having a definite physical beginning and a definite physical end, with interests apart from the rest of life, and needing preservation and protection.

The self in fact is a limitless, indivisible spiritual essence, eternal in its nature and infinite in its resources. The greatest romance possible in life is to discover this eternal reality in the midst of infinite change.

Once one has experienced this, one sees oneself in everything that lives, one recognises all of life as his life, everybody's interests as his own. The fear of death, the desire for self-preservation, the urge to accumulate substance, the conflict of interests, the anger of thwarted desires, are gone. One is no longer bound by the habits of the past, no longer swayed by the hopes of the future. One lives in and enjoys each present moment to the full.

There is no greater romance in life than this adventure in Realisation"
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Imagine your being everything, these pillars, walls, everything. You are, but you cannot understand. Why? Because the mind is there. Realisation means being fully awake in the sound-sleep state. In sound sleep there is no mind, no consciousness. You don't see anything, not even dreams of the subconscious. You don't hear, see, or feel.

But self exists and there is consciousness also. It is just like the sound-sleep state. The only difference is that you are conscious of it.
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How to explain what happens when you become God-realised? No more body, mind, ego, no more universe, only you as God experiencing bliss. You then experience knowledge too, power too, but you do not use power. You are one with this power, this knowledge, this bliss. When you come down for the world, you take on a universal mind. Now, as God, you see all souls as your own. You see yourself in everything, and your universal mind has all minds in it, as one mind.

What every mind suffers comes into your mind. Your mind suffers the suffering of all minds, and experiences the happiness of all minds. But as ignorance exists in all minds, the suffering is infinitely more than the happiness of those minds. Therefore, you suffer infinitely. However, your soul, which is fully conscious and enjoys God's bliss continually, and which is also enjoying its infinite state, is not affected by this suffering.

Now you, as soul in your present state, are unconscious of God and God's bliss. Your mind now suffers or is happy according to your impressions. Soul, as it were, is not affected, because through ignorance your soul is identified with your mind. After attaining knowledge, your soul consciously experiences God's bliss. If you come down, your mind then experiences suffering or happiness, but soul is not affected. You are soul. When your mission is complete, the universal mind goes, and with it universal suffering goes. Then soul enjoys God's bliss eternally.
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Most God-realised souls leave the body at once and forever, and remain eternally merged in the unmanifest aspect of God. They are conscious only of the bliss of union. Creation no longer exists for them. Their constant round of births and deaths is ended. This is known as Mukti or Liberation.

Some God-realised souls retain the body for a time, but their consciousness is merged completely in the unmanifest aspect of God, and they are therefore not conscious either of their bodies or of creation. They experience constantly the infinite bliss, power and knowledge of God, but they cannot consciously use them in creation, or help others to attain to Liberation.

Nevertheless, their presence on earth is like a focal point for the concentration and radiation of the infinite power, knowledge and bliss of God. And those who approach them, serve them and worship them are spiritually benefited by contact with them. These souls are called Majzoobs, and this particular type of Liberation is called Videh-Mukti, or Liberation with the body.
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The gateway to this highest state of being one with God is firmly closed for all who do not have the courage to lose their separate existence in the restless fire of divine love.

I give my blessings to all who are thirsting for the full realisation of divinity, for they shall be the pillars of the coming era of truth and love.
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As long as you remain separated from God and try to understand him, he cannot be understood. There is no separation between you and God. Lover and beloved are one. You, yourself are the way. You are God.

The ego persists till the last stage of the Path or gnosis. Not until the seventh stage of the Path is reached, and God-consciousness is achieved, can the ego be completely transmuted from finite to infinite. It is only in this stage that the false I (individual ego) disappears for good, and the real I appears for all time. This is the state of Christ-consciousness, to which Jesus referred when he said, 'I and my Father are one,' and which implies living simultaneously in the infinite and in the finite.
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Q. Has not the God-realised one an ego?

Baba: He has. But the ego of the God-realised one is altogether different. When you say, 'I am so-and-so,' it is the false ego asserting the false self. When you become God-merged ( a Perfect Majzoob or Brahmi-bhoot), you have no mind, and you are conscious only of being God. This is the state of superconsciousness. But when, retaining that state, you come down to normal consciousness, you have ego, and it is the real ego.
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The journey seems infinitely long while you are passing through the dream-experiences of reincarnation and the six planes of involution, until finally you merge into yourself, to emerge as self. But the journey is after all no journey. It is simply the momentum of your urge to awaken from the dream, and get established in the reality of the God-state of infinite consciousness.

To awaken means to consciously experience the sound-sleep state of God. When you awake you find that the great dream, containing all the varied illusory aspects of dreaming, has vanished forever. Heaven and hell, as well as all the planes, vanish within yourself, to remain as nothing. In this awakened state, there is no scope for anything besides you, the self, the existence eternal and infinite.

This is the only experience worth experiencing and aspiring after. To gain this experience, you have to become as dust at the feet of the Perfect Master, which amounts to becoming as nothing. And when you become absolutely nothing, you become everything.

http://www.meherbabadnyana.net/life_eternal/Book_One/God-Realisation.htm




  ~ Meher Baba


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..and may the zelda theme song be with you at all times, amen.


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Re: Excerpts on Realisation [Re: soldatheero]
    #11897644 - 01/25/10 11:27 AM (14 years, 24 days ago)

That's a pretty long and boring delusion. :shrug:


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Re: Excerpts on Realisation [Re: soldatheero]
    #11897821 - 01/25/10 12:00 PM (14 years, 24 days ago)

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soldatheero said:
They experience constantly the infinite bliss, power and knowledge of God, but they cannot consciously use them in creation, or help others to attain to Liberation.

Nevertheless, their presence on earth is like a focal point for the concentration and radiation of the infinite power, knowledge and bliss of God. And those who approach them, serve them and worship them are spiritually benefited by contact with them. These souls are called Majzoobs, and this particular type of Liberation is called Videh-Mukti, or Liberation with the body.





Videha mukti is liberated at death, Jivan mukti is liberated while still in the body :shrug:

Meher is great anyway, thanks for sharing :thumbup:


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Re: Excerpts on Realisation [Re: Chronic7]
    #11899115 - 01/25/10 03:42 PM (14 years, 24 days ago)

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These souls are called Majzoobs, and this particular type of Liberation is called Videh-Mukti, or Liberation with the body.



I think its called liberation with the body because these types of liberated souls do not have to pass through the subtle and mental realms but go straight from the gross realm (our realm of the physical and our bodies) to abide as God. They never take on an ego and have no way of using their own power, they are said to be lost in infinite consciousness.

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Love and self-surrender both lead one to the goal. But generally in the path of love, one drops his body after reaching the final destination. Whereas the one who treads the path of surrender, besides becoming conscious of God, also becomes conscious of the three spheres, Gross, Subtle and Mental, and thus returns to gross consciousness to serve as a beacon of light to others on the Path. That is why surrendering is better than love.

A Majzoob has no other consciousness except of God - no Gross, Subtle or Mental consciousness. He is fully and divinely absorbed. After gaining normal consciousness, however, one can become conscious of the Gross, Subtle and Mental planes. Because of this, the Qutubs are able to lead others on the Path and make them like themselves... Alongside their state of divinity, the Perfect Masters remain in the dirt of the world, the ocean of life. They work in the maya of the illusory world, though this dirt does not touch them. On the contrary, they lift others from the world and purify them. Therefore, surrender to a Perfect Master is the best method of treading the Path, and there is no better way than that for reaching the objective, God-realisation.




Another similar explaination.

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These Realised personalities are of two kinds: Saliks or Sadgurus, and Majzoobs or Brahmi-bhoots. Both are Realised and enjoy perfect bliss. But outwardly there is a vast difference between these two types. The Majzoobs, though God-realised, go about in rags or are completely naked. They remain in dirty surroundings, and are oblivious of the world and of people, to whom they appear to be crazed beggars. On the other hand, Saliks and Sadgurus, though fully God-realised, act just like ordinary mortals. They eat, drink, sleep, talk and appear to suffer like any other ordinary man.

But how can you recognise them? Among a hundred thousand so-called saints, there may be only one who is real. What is the test? The best test is his company. Maintain your connection with him, stay with him. Then you can know him, and even, in your own limited way, judge him by your standards, understanding him to some degree. For example, there are two glasses full of water. One glass contains a little salt in it. But how can you know which is which? For that, you have to taste the water, and only then are you able to know the difference. Similarly, by keeping the close company of a so-called saint or Master, you will come to know who is real and who is false




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Re: Excerpts on Realisation [Re: soldatheero]
    #11899121 - 01/25/10 03:43 PM (14 years, 24 days ago)

Anytime bro :thumbup: :sun:


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Re: Excerpts on Realisation [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #11901079 - 01/25/10 08:11 PM (14 years, 24 days ago)

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MushroomTrip said:
That's a pretty long and boring delusion. :shrug:




Why comment? No one wants your opinion. I see this a lot out of you, so I'll be ignoring your posts.


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Re: Excerpts on Realisation [Re: Titus_Pullo]
    #11903376 - 01/26/10 02:09 AM (14 years, 24 days ago)

Then please ignore them and stop telling me what I should post and what I shouldn't. :imslow:


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All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs

:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:


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