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nightflyer



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PSILOCYBE OVOIDEOCYSTIDIATA EXPERIMENT 9
#11889954 - 01/24/10 09:00 AM (14 years, 7 days ago) |
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Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata is sometimes found growing from logs.
I want to work out if it is possible to grow Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata from solid wood logs. I watered a little solid block of wood for several weeks and placed then some rye berries spawn on the top of the block.
After only two weeks the mycelium apparently permeated the wood and showed up on the other end of the block, long before the surface is colonized. Apparently the mycelium grows much faster inside of the block than on the surface. The wood block originates from a Salix alba tree.
Maybe someday we will be able to grow Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata on logs of solid wood; like Shiitake.

Edited by nightflyer (02/03/10 07:23 AM)
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Re: PSILOCYBE OVOIDEOCYSTIDIATA EXPERIMENT [Re: nightflyer]
#11889961 - 01/24/10 09:02 AM (14 years, 7 days ago) |
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Beautiful!
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Re: PSILOCYBE OVOIDEOCYSTIDIATA EXPERIMENT [Re: Doc_T]
#11889964 - 01/24/10 09:03 AM (14 years, 7 days ago) |
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Im actually not surprised... at all...
But excellent work nonetheless!
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Re: PSILOCYBE OVOIDEOCYSTIDIATA EXPERIMENT [Re: nightflyer]
#11890531 - 01/24/10 11:08 AM (14 years, 6 days ago) |
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My goodness! These photos are wonderful! Please, update this with more when you have them.

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nightflyer



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Re: PSILOCYBE OVOIDEOCYSTIDIATA EXPERIMENT [Re: freespeech]
#11890702 - 01/24/10 11:40 AM (14 years, 6 days ago) |
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freespeech said: My goodness! These photos are wonderful! Please, update this with more when you have them.
 
I don't know how things will develop, but I will keep you updated.
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Re: PSILOCYBE OVOIDEOCYSTIDIATA EXPERIMENT [Re: nightflyer]
#11891432 - 01/24/10 02:04 PM (14 years, 6 days ago) |
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Excellent work .
I wonder why it prefers the inner part of the block? Maybe the light?
I'll be following this , I can smell the success!
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Re: PSILOCYBE OVOIDEOCYSTIDIATA EXPERIMENT [Re: smaerd]
#11898106 - 01/25/10 12:55 PM (14 years, 5 days ago) |
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Well, it looks very interesting!
It seems like it has got lots of food there to feed on,although i do not know how nutricious for it it would be.In further experiment this could propably be remedied by dunking a semicolonised block in a solution with some nutrients (at least a thin layer of liquid on the bottom and let capillary action take over), i was thinking dilute coffe ,or even weak kelp meal/seaweed solution.
Hmmm, how do you plan on keeping it moist? I wonder if it will fruit.All in all very interesting ,keep us informed
P.S. How big is the block?
Edited by Psiloman (01/25/10 12:56 PM)
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Re: PSILOCYBE OVOIDEOCYSTIDIATA EXPERIMENT [Re: Psiloman]
#11898140 - 01/25/10 12:59 PM (14 years, 5 days ago) |
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nightflyer,
i would suggest transferring grain to wood dowels and use those to inoculate the wood log.
that might help with colonization time. and also it be much like a shiitake log.
just some food for though.
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nightflyer



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Re: PSILOCYBE OVOIDEOCYSTIDIATA EXPERIMENT [Re: drjugglz]
#11898648 - 01/25/10 02:21 PM (14 years, 5 days ago) |
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Thanks for the advices! Yes I will use wood dowels in the future for inoculating logs.
This is just a first try.
The block (12cmx8cmx8cm) lies on the bottom of a plastic tub. The bottom of the tub is covered with wet newspaper. The relative air humidity in the tub is 100%. I soaked the block for several weeks in water and I have added nitrogen, potassium and magnesium salts to the water.
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Re: PSILOCYBE OVOIDEOCYSTIDIATA EXPERIMENT [Re: nightflyer]
#11898896 - 01/25/10 03:05 PM (14 years, 5 days ago) |
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I cant wait to see!!!
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Re: PSILOCYBE OVOIDEOCYSTIDIATA EXPERIMENT [Re: drjugglz]
#11900884 - 01/25/10 07:48 PM (14 years, 5 days ago) |
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drjugglz said:
i would suggest transferring grain to wood dowels and use those to inoculate the wood log.
that might help with colonization time. and also it be much like a shiitake log.
I gotta say, 2 weeks to eat through a solid wooden block doesn't sound too bad to me. 
Nice project Nightflyer, thanks for sharing.
Cheers, -DD
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Re: PSILOCYBE OVOIDEOCYSTIDIATA EXPERIMENT [Re: didjin_d]
#11901052 - 01/25/10 08:07 PM (14 years, 5 days ago) |
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Excellent work! Very impressive photos two. Look at how rhizomorphic that mycelium is. Great experiment nightflyer, I look forward to seeing how it progresses.
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Re: PSILOCYBE OVOIDEOCYSTIDIATA EXPERIMENT [Re: wisp] 1
#11945063 - 02/01/10 09:56 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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unfrigging beleivable!! now that is some myco porn!!
ovoid myc seems very strong. its just beautiful.
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psylosymonreturns said: unfrigging beleivable!! now that is some myco porn!!
ovoid myc seems very strong. its just beautiful.
Yea it is a rapid colonizer.
It would be cool to compare the speed of all the fast wood de-composers!
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Re: PSILOCYBE OVOIDEOCYSTIDIATA EXPERIMENT [Re: psychedelicSLUG]
#11947019 - 02/02/10 10:22 AM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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haha have a mycological race!!
so salix, thats a willow right? i am using weeping wilow chunks for my cyans and its working good too.
and thats straight colonized rye to a block of wood, now its just watered? or submerged in boiling water? or just cold water? because i may have some rye colonizing very soon and i am wondering about transfering the grain to wood chips. should i transfer to sterilized supplemented saw dust/chips or straight to say just pasturized wood chips? are ovoids that aggrressive that i can avoid the sup. sawdust part?
btw that block is still blowing my mind today!
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nightflyer



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psylosymonreturns said:
so salix, thats a willow right? i am using weeping wilow chunks for my cyans and its working good too.
and thats straight colonized rye to a block of wood, now its just watered? or submerged in boiling water? or just cold water? because i may have some rye colonizing very soon and i am wondering about transfering the grain to wood chips. should i transfer to sterilized supplemented saw dust/chips or straight to say just pasturized wood chips? are ovoids that aggrressive that i can avoid the sup. sawdust part?
Yes it's willow. The block was submerged in cold water for several weeks.
Don't transfer the cololonized rye grain spawn directly to wood chips! Contamination!!!
Transfer some spawn to wet corrugated cardboard and when the cardboard is colonized remove the grains and cover the cardboard with (water saturated) wood chips.
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Re: PSILOCYBE OVOIDEOCYSTIDIATA EXPERIMENT [Re: nightflyer]
#11948108 - 02/02/10 02:15 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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hmmm grain to cardboard eh? is this common practice for most woodlover grain transfers or just good for the ovoids ? wierd because i never got any stuntzii stem butts to regrow on cardboard,and ovoids are in the stunzae family.
i was under the immpression i would be sterilzing some sawdust/chips in bags and transfer to that. thank you so much for that.
didnt you put rye directly on this block though?
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psylosymonreturns said: hmmm grain to cardboard eh? is this common practice for most woodlover grain transfers or just good for the ovoids ? wierd because i never got any stuntzii stem butts to regrow on cardboard,and ovoids are in the stunzae family.
i was under the immpression i would be sterilzing some sawdust/chips in bags and transfer to that. thank you so much for that.
didnt you put rye directly on this block though?
Yes, grain transfer to cardboard and then to wood chips works best for all woodlovers. But remove the grains from the colonized cardboard before you cover it with wood chips.
Psilocybe stuntzii is a special case. 99% of the spore prints and cultures available originate from the grassland variety of Psilocybe stuntzii. The grassland variety of Psilocybe stuntzii is not really a woodlover Psilocybe. The appearance of the mycelium and the growth parameters are closer to Psilocybe semilanceata than to any woodlover Psilocybe.
If you mix grains with woodchips you take a big risk that your culture will contaminate and if you create an outdoor patch using grain spawn, squirrels and mice will find the grains and devastate your patch.
Yes I put the rye directly on the block, but that block is very clean. All soluble sugars (food for the molds) are washed out.
Edited by nightflyer (02/03/10 01:51 AM)
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Re: PSILOCYBE OVOIDEOCYSTIDIATA EXPERIMENT [Re: nightflyer]
#11953502 - 02/03/10 10:39 AM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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ya you know what, you are exactly right. the ones i tried were these: 
found in a horse field this year. i hear people all the time say that var tenius is obsolete and wood stuntzii and grass stuntzii are exactly same besides habitat,which i think is important. but there is some other differences i think. but ya the grass ones wouldnt take to the cardboard. i will try some wood lovers next year.
you did put the rye directly on the block,thats why its an experiment eh. any new updated pics?
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nightflyer



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psylosymonreturns said:
you did put the rye directly on the block,thats why its an experiment eh. any new updated pics?
It's an experiment because no woodlover Psilocybe is known so far, able to permeate solid wood (logs); like Shiitake. Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata is the most promising species because it grows sometimes on logs.
I will take some new pics tomorrow.
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