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Am I a racist
    #1186237 - 01/03/03 03:23 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Subject: Very Interesting

Please pause a moment, reflect back, and take the following Multiple
Choice
test. (The events are actual cuts from past history. They actually
happened!
Do you remember?)

1. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred
by:
a. Olga Corbitt
b. Sitting Bull
c. Arnold Schwartzeneger
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

2. In 1979, the U.S. embassy in Iran was taken over by:
a. Lost Norwegians
b. Elvis
c. A tour bus full of 80-year-old women
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40.

5. During the 1980's a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by:
a. John Dillinger
b. The King of Sweden
c. The Boy Scouts
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

4. In 1983, the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by:
a. A pizza delivery boy
b. Pee Wee Herman
c. Geraldo Rivera
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

5. In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70 year old
American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard in his wheelchair by:
a. The Smurfs
b. Davy Jones
c. The Little Mermaid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

6. In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a U.S. Navy diver
trying to rescue passengers was murdered by:
a. Captain Kid
b. Charles Lindberg
c. Mother Teresa
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

7. In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:
a. Scooby Doo
b. The Tooth Fairy
c. Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

8. In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by:
a. Richard Simmons
b. Grandma Moses
c. Michael Jordan
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

9. In 1998, the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by:
a. Mr. Rogers
b. Hillary, to distract attention from Wild Bill' s women problems
c. The World Wrestling Federation
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

10. On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked; two were used as missiles to
take out the World Trade Centers and of the remaining two, one crashed
into
the US Pentagon and the other was diverted to a crash by the passengers.
Thousands of people were killed by:
a. Bugs Bunny, Wiley E. Coyote, Daffy Duck and Elmer Fudd
b. The Supreme Court of Florida
c. Mr. Bean
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

11. In 2002, the United States fought a war in Afghanistan against:
a. Enron
b. The Lutheran Church
c. The NFL
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

12. In 2002, reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by:
a. Bonny and Clyde
b. Captain Kangaroo
c. Billy Graham
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

Nope, .........I really don't see a pattern here to justify profiling, do
you? So, to ensure we Americans never offend anyone, particularly fanatics
intent on killing us, airport security screeners will no longer be allowed
to profile certain people. They must conduct random searches of
80-year-old
women, little kids, airline pilots with proper identification, Secret
Service agents who are members of the President's security detail, 85-year
old Congressmen with metal hips, and Medal of Honor winning former
Governors.



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Re: Am I a racist [Re: Ripple]
    #1186241 - 01/03/03 03:26 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

No, you're a realist...


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Re: Am I a racist [Re: Ripple]
    #1186495 - 01/03/03 06:11 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Subject: Dogs, the real terrorists.

1. Over three hundred people in the United States between 1979 and 1999 were murdered by:
a. Olga Corbett
b. Sitting Bull
c. Arnold Schwarzenegger
d. Dogs

2. In the United States in 333,687 emergency room visits were caused by:
a. Lost Norwegians
b. Elvis
c. A tour bus full of 80-year-old women
d. Dogs

3. Who did Adolph Hitler praise as 'brave' and 'trustworthy'?
a. John Dillinger
b. The King of Sweden
c. The Boy Scouts
d. Dogs

4. Who was responsible for the majority of injuries to peaceful black protesters in Birmingham in 1963?
a. A pizza delivery boy
b. Pee Wee Herman
c. Geraldo Rivera
d. Dogs

5. In Los Angeles in October of 2000, a 6 week old baby was brutally murdered by:
a. The Smurfs
b. Davy Jones
c. The Little Mermaid
d. Dogs

6. You are ten times less likely to be murdered by a mountain lion and a hundred times less likely to be murdered by a coyote than by:
a. Captain Kidd
b. Charles Lindbergh
c. Mother Teresa
d. Dogs

7. Amnesty International has released a report condemning use by the police of:
a. Scooby Doo
b. The Tooth Fairy
c. Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid
d. Dogs

8.Children are the most frequent victims of attacks by:
a. Richard Simmons
b. Grandma Moses
c. Michael Jordan
d. Dogs

9. Although their numbers increased by only 2% between 1986 and 1996, there was a 35% increase in attacks by:
a. Mr. Rogers
b. Hillary, to distract attention from Wild Bill's women problems
c. The World Wrestling Federation
d. Dogs

10. Annually in the United States 4.7 million people are assaulted by:
a. Bugs Bunny, Wile E. Coyote, Daffy Duck and Elmer Fudd
b. The Supreme Court of Florida
c. Mr. Bean
d. Dogs

11. Many brutal dictators- including Napoleon, Hitler, and Idi Amin- have been fond of:
a. Enron
b. The Lutheran Church
c. The NFL
d. Dogs

12. 23% of children in the United States expressed a moderate to extreme fear of:
a. Bonnie and Clyde
b. Captain Kangaroo
c. Billy Graham
d. Dogs


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Re: Am I a racist [Re: bivalve]
    #1186505 - 01/03/03 06:17 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Damn dogs, i bet they are muslim...

Or maybe they were just trained by Bin Laden after he was trained by the american secret services...


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Re: Am I a racist [Re: bivalve]
    #1186513 - 01/03/03 06:20 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Bivlave brings up a very interesting point...statistics can often be used to prove any point you're trying to make. As real as all those stats are, it's not that black and white...what's not provided is the reasons why these "fanatic" muslim attacks occur. Is it just because they felt like it? I'm sure it would be just as easy, if not easier to make a similar list with White, male judeo christians between the ages of 17 - 40.


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Re: Am I a racist [Re: Rono]
    #1186532 - 01/03/03 06:28 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Yes, exactly. I was going to point out that you could easily bring up a list of Christian fanatics blowing up abortion clinics and whatnot. Pretty much any group of people can be demonized if you make a list of all the bad things they've done.


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Re: Am I a racist [Re: Rono]
    #1186707 - 01/03/03 07:24 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

67.75% of all stats are made up on the spot.


Source: The DNC.


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Edited by Innvertigo (01/03/03 08:38 PM)


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Re: Am I a racist [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1187738 - 01/03/03 01:35 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

In response to this post I summarily executed my dog on behalf of Americans everywhere, thus making the world a safer place. I hope to now become a dog catcher and send many dogs to the concentration camps aka the pound, thus helping even more. Damn that logic is scary.


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Re: Am I a racist [Re: Ripple]
    #1187801 - 01/03/03 02:20 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Do you want the customs to screen male individuals between 17 and 40? It doesn't say on poeples forhead that they are either religious (...yeah OK, some jesus freaks, chassidic jews and dalai lama etc...) or extreme. If I were to blow up something i'd try not to fit the obvious profile of mad bombers, so maybe next time they'll send a blond girl dressed like a crack whore....

Z

...by the way if your point is that you want to screen people you think look like "sand niggers", then maybe you are a racist after all...


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Re: Am I a racist [Re: Zimzum]
    #1188652 - 01/03/03 08:40 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

****maybe next time they'll send a blond girl dressed like a crack whore****

I doubt it.....


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Re: Am I a racist [Re: bivalve]
    #1188879 - 01/03/03 09:53 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Ignoratio elenchi Deario. But I suppose your logic is as rusty as your reasoning.

Ever heard of inductive reasoning? I didn't think so.


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Re: Am I a racist [Re: Phluck]
    #1188958 - 01/03/03 11:29 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

maybe some muslims have good reason to HATE amerikkka like many people in chile , columbia, EL Salvador , Indonesa etc etc
but not all these people are muslim
wait OH MY GOD(jesus of course....gotta fit in right???)

maybe some of these people have good reson to hold a anger to a nation who killed people in their family , raped their daughters

this is NOT exageration
do a little reding if you dont belive me ...........and if you dont know where to look and want to call me a liar ask for my sources dont be a "mud slinger"
thats not relevant

side note:my god is not jesus (sorry) its me and you and all but saying that ruins it a better way to put it is
look inside the kindom of god is inside you

and it is and all around to this universe has organization, strange "living type " behaviour from things that shouldnt seem to

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Re: Am I a racist [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #1188972 - 01/03/03 11:44 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

maybe some of these people have good reson to hold a anger to a nation who killed people in their family , raped their daughters


That is a large claim to make without citing sources. If you do have accurate and reliable sources, please do share.

I really didn't understand that whole part about you being your own god?


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Re: Am I a racist [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #1189022 - 01/04/03 12:38 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

maybe some muslims have good reason to HATE amerikkka like many people in chile , columbia, EL Salvador , Indonesa etc etc 




I thought more of you before this statement.

You must remember not to offend others because they will think less of you and can get branded a 'racist'.  :shocked:

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Re: Am I a racist [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #1189030 - 01/04/03 12:43 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Hey, I just thought of something.

You don't wear a turban or anything do you?

I'm taking a little survey for personal use. :wink:

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Re: Am I a racist [Re: Ripple]
    #1190382 - 01/04/03 03:25 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I think it's ironic how many of those opposed to a war with Iraq call it genocide, yet bin Ladan and Saddam openly preach against Christianity and are fighting a holy war against this religion. I guess genocide can only be committed if you're white.


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Re: Am I a racist [Re: Anonymous]
    #1190644 - 01/04/03 06:02 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

They are attacking for their religious beliefs...we are attacking them for their oil...which is worse?


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Re: Am I a racist [Re: Anonymous]
    #1190653 - 01/04/03 06:06 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)


I think it's ironic how many of those opposed to a war with Iraq call it genocide,
yet bin Ladan and Saddam openly preach against Christianity and are fighting a
holy war against this religion. I guess genocide can only be committed if you're
white.


Thank liberalism. It's paramount to fawn over non-American culture's hardships,
but if you express any concern or interest over the white race or America you
will be considered racist, nationalistic, and "intolerant".

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Re: Am I a racist [Re: Ripple]
    #1190666 - 01/04/03 06:17 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Hey you forgot who shot the pope and assassinated one of our presidents, they were muslim too.

Keep awn crackin,
Dilauded


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Re: Am I a racist [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #1190671 - 01/04/03 06:20 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Well, you know I am God, I am Jesus, I am Satan, and I am me.

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Re: Am I a racist [Re: Dilauded]
    #1190684 - 01/04/03 06:28 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I used to mistake Siran Siran with the 80's band Duran Duran


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Re: Am I a racist [Re: Rono]
    #1190785 - 01/04/03 07:12 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I'm not all about an argument on something like oil. I don't think we're there for oil. Saddam is a shithead and needs to be put 6 feet deep. He funds terrorism. He started building a nuclear power plant a while back but Israel blew it up. Today he says he wants to build a nuclear plant for more energy.
Now, why would you need a nuclear power plant if you're one of the world's largest suppliers of oil. A lot of oil was found in Russia and they're gonna start drilling there. Liberals, democrats, they're both the same, they're just a nicer way of saying Communism and Socialism. If you left would realize you're all just being scamed by a bunch of sneaky caniving politicians who want nothing but power. Trent Lott resigned from head and Democrats had nothing to bitch about and Lott was even told by fellow Republicans that he should step down. If Bush had done something obviously wrong and was impeached, Republicans would vote to kick him out. Democrats, majority of them, on the other hand would stand by their party to the end. When Clinton was impeached, he knew he wouldn't get kicked out, he had the majority and all the Democrats voted for him to stay. "The US is obviously in there for oil" is denial of reality. We're soon gonna get oil from Russia, we probably will get oil from ANWR, and once Venezuela gets rid of their leader the prices will go back down. The world has sick people, Hitler was one, Stalin was one, Arafat is one, and Saddam, sure enough, is one.

A main strategy for Democrats is fear. A while back, when my grandma was alive, she told me to vote Democrat and I asked her why. She went on about how a man called her up and told her how the Republicans will take away her social security away. I heard a Democratic talkshow where the girl talked about how the small-pox vaccine would be required. Well ya know under the law IT ISN'T required.
I believe it was Franklin Roosevelt who said "We have nothing to fear but fear itself." A big Democrat, a phrase that describes the Democrats. He slowed down the decrease of economy during the Depression. If the US didn't get involved w/ WW2 then the economy would've still been hurting. There's documented reports of FDR recieving warnings of Pearl Harbor attack and he didn't do shit. There's also been documented reports of FDR being notified that the Jews were being killed in Germany. THEN THERE WAS A SHIP, full of Jews escaping from Germany, that came from Germany to Miami AND THAT SON OF FUCKING BITCH FDR SENT THE SHIP BACK THE GERMANY ONLY FOR MORE JEWS TO BE KILLED. AND STILL TODAY a majority of Jews vote Democrat.

Sorry if somewhat off subject but some people don't know,
Dilauded


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Re: Am I a racist [Re: Dilauded]
    #1191418 - 01/05/03 12:36 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Preach it Brutha preach on it!

Tell it like it is!

Hey, um, you don't wear a turban or something do you?

Just checking. I feel the need to ask this question so I can stuff people in a tiny box and expose my ignorance.

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Re: Am I a racist [Re: Ripple]
    #1191420 - 01/05/03 12:39 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I cant be bothered to read this post all the way thru - I just wondered if anyone had bothered to list a variety of acts carried out by other groups other than muslims? Watching you poor suckers gettin brainwashed brings tears of joy to my eyes.

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Re: Am I a racist [Re: GazzBut]
    #1191422 - 01/05/03 12:48 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah they did. The other group was dogs. Kind of a apple/orange scenario. But the guy meant well.

Yeah, I'm sure glad you're not brainwashed or me either for that grey matter. I also like to walk around with a stinky unwashed brain.


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Re: Am I a racist [Re: Dilauded]
    #1191567 - 01/05/03 04:42 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

:grin:


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Re: Am I a racist [Re: GazzBut]
    #1191954 - 01/05/03 09:21 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

I just wondered if anyone had bothered to list a variety of acts carried out by other groups other than muslims?




There was another group called Anarchists responsible for killing one of our presidents but those ANARCHISTS were muslim. That's the only one I can think of off the top.

Why don't you list some acts. I'm not saying all muslims are bad, I know some muslims who when they goto the airport their whole family is searched, ever since 911. We're not being brainwashed, and you brought up a valid point except you failed to support it.

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Re: Am I a racist [Re: Dilauded]
    #1191971 - 01/05/03 09:27 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

How about the Oklahoma City Bombing, carried out by the white supremacists Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols?


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Re: Am I a racist [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #1191982 - 01/05/03 09:33 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

When I see "AmeriKKKa", I think of the people who use "homoSINuality".

"this is NOT exageration
do a little reding if you dont belive me "

Who the fuck is denying that lots of people hate the US for lots of different reasons? I think pretty much everyone agrees with you there.

"side note:my god is not jesus (sorry) its me and you and all but saying that ruins it a better way to put it is
look inside the kindom of god is inside you "

Your own interpretation of reality is no more valid than any other one.


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Re: Am I a racist [Re: Phluck]
    #1192011 - 01/05/03 09:46 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I think he meant well, sort of.


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Re: Am I a racist [Re: Dilauded]
    #1192016 - 01/05/03 09:48 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

"A while back, when my grandma was alive, she told me to vote Democrat and I asked her why. She went on about how a man called her up and told her how the Republicans will take away her social security away. I heard a Democratic talkshow where the girl talked about how the small-pox vaccine would be required."

Oh yeah, the republicans would NEVER stoop that low.

If you spent any time looking into the republican party, you'd find veiled racism, fear, anger, and all the nasty bullshit that you claim fuels the democrats. Both sides are at least equally wrong.

"If Bush had done something obviously wrong and was impeached, Republicans would vote to kick him out. Democrats, majority of them, on the other hand would stand by their party to the end."

What facts are you using to back something like this up?

You seem to have had it drilled into your brain that anything even remotely socialist is somehow evil.

Iraq has done NOTHING that gives the US the right to attack. You can use the argument that Iraq has funded terrorism, but if you spent any time researching this you'd quickly realize that the US, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Canada, France, have all funded terrorism in some way or another. It should be noted that Bin Laden would never back Iraq on anything. Iraq is not nearly Muslim enough for their liking. They have Christians in their government, and women are free to be educated and employed. The US claims that Iraq is developing weapons of mass destruction, while the US still has thousands of nuclear bombs stockpiled, and are on perfectly good terms with many other countries that freely admit to having nuclear arms. On top of this, there are UN inspectors in Iraq right now, searching for evidence of these weapons, and they've found NOTHING. Now, this doesn't proove absolutely that they don't have anything, but if we don't come up with anything, we hardly have the right to attack them over it.

If you can provide me with a good reason why Iraq needs to be attacked, maybe I'll change my mind.


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Re: Am I a racist [Re: Phluck]
    #1192039 - 01/05/03 09:54 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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If you can provide me with a good reason why Iraq needs to be attacked, maybe I'll change my mind.




1. Because it's there.
2. Because we can.
3. Because the lefties don't want us to.


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Re: Am I a racist [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1192042 - 01/05/03 09:55 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

You were captain of the debate team in high school, weren't you?


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    #1192044 - 01/05/03 09:56 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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You were captain of the debate team in high school, weren't you?



1. No
2. Twas but a joke.


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Re: Am I a racist [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1192061 - 01/05/03 10:02 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

"1. No"
No shit.

"2. Twas but a joke."
No shit.


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    #1192064 - 01/05/03 10:04 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I don't have the time to get into a long discussion on this with you but some of the things he said bear resemblance to the truth.

As a political analyst/consultant to both parties I can tell you that the D's use fear mongering far more than the R's do. Pandering is the modus operandi of the R's.

As much as it pains me to say this the D's are much more "herd oriented" than the R's. This isn't just my opinion it is documented fact. This is because more R's will step outside there party line and vote the other side while more D's walk lock step to the tune of their leadership. What this means is that it is entirely possible that the R's today would vote President Bush out if he did something wrong. However, they would not have done so to Nixon. The R's of that era were just as "herd oriented" as the D's are today.

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    #1192092 - 01/05/03 10:15 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I don't think that's true. If Nixon were to follow through with the impeachment, he would've been voted out. That's why he resigned. But what'd he do, spy on the Democrats, Watergate, to see if they were doing something wrong. Its silly, but its enough to ruin a man's reputation. And since the media is bias, they wouldn't drop the matter. But when Clinton is screwing around with Monica, cuttin funds to the CIA, fucking giving North Korea plans for a Nuclear Reactor, and letting the Chinese get hold of the secrets to make a nuclear bomb. The media keeps it quiet because Democrats, most all of them, will stand by their party to the end.

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    #1192098 - 01/05/03 10:19 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Nixon would have been impeached because the Democrats were in control of congress. Your ignorance of political history is showing. The R's at that time stood by their man. How closely did you follow it?

I firmly agree with the later part of your statement though.


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    #1192101 - 01/05/03 10:20 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I vote.

I voted for the local NDP candidate in the last election.


I'm not an american.


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    #1192105 - 01/05/03 10:22 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I should point out, that if I were an american, I wouldn't vote for the democrats or the republicans. While their speeches might convince you that their agendas are different, they really don't do things much differently.


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    #1192111 - 01/05/03 10:23 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

During the Oklahoma Bombing, the FBI found 2 Iraqis at the time of the bombing, they were taken in and questioned, but GOOD OL' CLINTON Pardoned them.
http://www.dimmockreport.com/iraqlinkedtooklahoma.htm

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    #1192115 - 01/05/03 10:26 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

The reason I asked if you voted was to confirm the analysis I did of you via your posts. You are an anomaly for your age group. But all the signs were there.

Good for you for voting! And the fact that you think about who you vote for. Voters like you do your Country a world of good.

I have rarely missed an election since I was your age. My parents were both political activists and I can remember political conversations around the dinner table clear back to when I was 5.


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    #1192148 - 01/05/03 10:48 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I do have one voting regret...

I "guessed" in the municipal election.


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Re: Am I a racist [Re: Dilauded]
    #1192149 - 01/05/03 10:49 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

"During the Oklahoma Bombing, the FBI found 2 Iraqis at the time of the bombing, they were taken in and questioned, but GOOD OL' CLINTON Pardoned them."

Oh, that bastard.

You do realize that they didn't do it, right?


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Re: Am I a racist [Re: Phluck]
    #1192169 - 01/05/03 11:04 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Phluck writes:

Iraq has done NOTHING that gives the US the right to attack.

Actually, they have. Iraq agreed to abide by the terms of a surrender agreement in order to avoid having the UN coalition of armed forces cross their borders and finish the job properly. Iraq has not fulfilled the terms of that agreement. From a legal point of view, if any of the members of that coalition care to resume hostilities, that is exactly what it will be -- a RESUMPTION of hostilities that were temporarily put on hold pending the fulfillment of the terms of that contract of surrender.

The situation would be completely different if Iraq had immediately adhered to all the terms of the surrender, then at some later date started rebuilding its weapons programs or whatever. If that had been the case, then what Bush is currently threatening to do really would fall under the category of a "pre-emptive strike" rather than resuming hostilities after a protracted conditional cease-fire.

It's somewhat analagous to a homeowner renegotiating a mortgage with a bank to keep the bank from foreclosing -- "Yeah, sure, give me a three month break to get some extra coin together, reduce the monthly payments but extend the time remaining on the term, and I swear I'll meet the terms no problem" -- then missing the next eleven years worth of payments. Sooner or later the bank will step in and foreclose. A contract is a contract, whether between individuals or nations.

This is not necessarily to say that I personally believe it is the right thing to do at the moment. I merely point out that there is established international precedent for enforcing the terms of surrender agreements by force if one of the signatories refuses to do so voluntarily.

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Re: Am I a racist [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1192266 - 01/05/03 11:45 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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If you can provide me with a good reason why Iraq needs to be attacked, maybe I'll change my mind.




1. Because it's there.
2. Because we can.
3. Because the lefties don't want us to.





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    #1192296 - 01/05/03 11:57 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I'm not saying they did or didn't do it. But what're the odds of these 2 Iraqis being around during the bombing? And before they were done questioning them, Clinton steps in to pardon.


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    #1192328 - 01/05/03 12:13 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

So, John Ashcroft's aides are leading an "investigation" that suggests that a group of Arab men with links to Iraqi intelligence, the PLO, AND al Queda are behind the bombing previously blamed on white supremacists??? How convenient. Especially considering that this would seem to be evidence of Iraq's supposed connection to al Queda. Also, it would seem to relieve the burden of guilt from Ashcroft's favorite race(I seem to remember reading somewhere about Ashcroft's ties to white supremacist groups).


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    #1192470 - 01/05/03 01:26 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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If you spent any time looking into the republican party, you'd find veiled racism.



Wasn't it the Republican Lincoln who freed the slaves? And wasn't it Strom Thurman who was a Democrat but decided to run as a Dixie-Crat with a motive to preserve slavery? James Meredith was the first black man admited to University of Mississippi during JFK. Meredith is a Republican and preached on about how the Democrats have done nothing for the African Americans and that they only keep them down. While I was in Key Largo for New Years, going to Ft.Lauderdale, on the jazz station, was a man called Mike the Black Man and he went on about how Democrats havn't done shit for the black community, brought a lot of the bible into his discussion. And how hard works pays off. Then a chant "Latin, Black, and White... Must UNITE"

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fear, anger, and all the nasty bullshit that you claim fuels the democrats. Both sides are at least equally wrong.



During political debates on CSPAN, I don't believe I've ever seen a Republican take his anger out on his Democratic opponent, rather than the Democrat is the one who making the occusations of the Republican being wrong and what he/she stands for wrong.

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You seem to have had it drilled into your brain that anything even remotely socialist is somehow evil.



I don't think its evil, I think its not for me. Socialism makes it hard for someone to aspire. There's high taxes. With high taxes, what business would want to setup there, might as well goto Mexico. Everyone is equal(supposedly) except the government. If you like socialism, I'm not holding it against you, but it takes away the benefit of long hard work. Socialism destroys individualism.

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"If Bush had done something obviously wrong and was impeached, Republicans would vote to kick him out. Democrats, majority of them, on the other hand would stand by their party to the end."

What facts are you using to back something like this up?




I don't have any facts to back this up but Republicans are less herd oriented, or at least nowadays.

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Iraq has done NOTHING that gives the US the right to attack. You can use the argument that Iraq has funded terrorism, but if you spent any time researching this you'd quickly realize that the US, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Canada, France, have all funded terrorism in some way or another. It should be noted that Bin Laden would never back Iraq on anything. Iraq is not nearly Muslim enough for their liking. They have Christians in their government, and women are free to be educated and employed. The US claims that Iraq is developing weapons of mass destruction, while the US still has thousands of nuclear bombs stockpiled, and are on perfectly good terms with many other countries that freely admit to having nuclear arms. On top of this, there are UN inspectors in Iraq right now, searching for evidence of these weapons, and they've found NOTHING. Now, this doesn't proove absolutely that they don't have anything, but if we don't come up with anything, we hardly have the right to attack them over it.

If you can provide me with a good reason why Iraq needs to be attacked, maybe I'll change my mind.



Blix gave a talk a while ago saying he knows Suddam has weapons, but they're hard to find. Republicans and Democrats have even stated that they are positive Suddam has weapons. We just have to find them. The inspectors are now trying to get a hold of 2 scientists that were involved with the research and production of chemical weapons. These 2 are prolly hiding out somewhere. Blix talked about how Suddam has the weapons in some underground bunker. Good luck finding that.

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Oh yeah, the republicans would NEVER stoop that low.



There was a Democratic Senator, I think from New Jersey, who ran as a Republican, but when he got in the Senate was on the Democratic side.
And I'm sure Republicans have done some sneaky things in the past, but Democrats are the king of scum. Hillary Clinton said she was Jewish to get votes. Gore changed his views many time and wasn't as good a liar as Clinton. Clinton would lie on public tv and smile. There's documented reports of the CIA warning Clinton 8 times of North Korea researching the Nuclear Bomb and yet did nothing. I heard something where Republicans in Georgia went around the black section of town and passed out flyers saying "If you don't vote during election day then the voting booth be open 2 days later" There was a report during Clinton and Dole where thousands of mail in ballots from troops overseas were thrown away. I think Baker county in Florida that wanted a recount and when there was a recount and they saw Bush was still winning, they wanted another one. And to this day, Gore still thinks if he had that recount that he'd be President. What a world that would be. A Republican Senator lost b/c the Democrat had false votes, only if he'd challenge it and recount it, he would have won, but he accepted the loss and will come back the next election. I could go on but I think I made my point.

Nixon sent a spy to see what the Democrats were doing for Watergate
Yea, maybe the Republicans would stoop that low.
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    #1192593 - 01/05/03 02:37 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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I have another one they don't deserve to live


Who is they that you refer to?


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    #1192801 - 01/05/03 03:51 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I refer to the hard line regime in Iraq that promotes terror and hate! the ones who held parties as the twin towers burned.


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    #1192950 - 01/05/03 04:47 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I agree, I just think it will be hard to do without significant civilian casualties.


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    #1193081 - 01/05/03 05:29 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

No doubt that there will be civilian casualties but that's the situation he has put his population in. Hopefully when things get hot they will surrender in droves like in the Gulf War.


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    #1193130 - 01/05/03 05:44 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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Especially considering that this would seem to be evidence of Iraq's supposed connection to al Queda.



Iraq and Al Queda are 2 different stories. Bin Laden doesn't like Suddam because of something back in the Gulf War I think, I forget but I don't think they're together in it. They both hate America.

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Also, it would seem to relieve the burden of guilt from Ashcroft's favorite race(I seem to remember reading somewhere about Ashcroft's ties to white supremacist groups).



Where did you hear that? John Ashcroft is a brilliant man, he's no dummy. I don't know about that but if you wanna bring up the race card. A month or two ago a Democratic Senator's exact words, "There are white niggers and there are black niggers." There's two other Democratic Senators are racist too. One of them was a KKK leader and another was in the KKK. Also words from a proclaimed African American in civil rights, the Republican, James Meredith said, "There will always be racism, only if everybody stops being racist will it not be a problem."

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    #1193178 - 01/05/03 05:54 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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Nixon would have been impeached because the Democrats were in control of congress.



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    #1193329 - 01/05/03 06:33 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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Especially considering that this would seem to be evidence of Iraq's supposed connection to al Queda.



Iraq and Al Queda are 2 different stories. Bin Laden doesn't like Suddam because of something back in the Gulf War I think, I forget but I don't think they're together in it.



I agree. I was just saying how the Bush administration was trying to link the two together, and how that story you posted just seemed too convenient for them considering their agenda.
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They both hate America.



So does most of the world.
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Also, it would seem to relieve the burden of guilt from Ashcroft's favorite race(I seem to remember reading somewhere about Ashcroft's ties to white supremacist groups).



Where did you hear that? John Ashcroft is a brilliant man, he's no dummy. I don't know about that but if you wanna bring up the race card. A month or two ago a Democratic Senator's exact words, "There are white niggers and there are black niggers." There's two other Democratic Senators are racist too. One of them was a KKK leader and another was in the KKK. Also words from a proclaimed African American in civil rights, the Republican, James Meredith said, "There will always be racism, only if everybody stops being racist will it not be a problem."

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"Ashcroft: The More Overt GOP Racist?

Even more alarming is the pro-white-supremacist behavior of Attorney General John Ashcroft. Freedom-loving Americans deserve to know that the man who is chipping away at civil liberties has endorsed and supported the pro-slavery magazine Southern Partisan. Among these many backward, far-right lunatic beliefs are praise for Lincoln's assassin, John Wilkes Booth, as well as "super hero" Nathan Bedford Forrest, founder of the KKK. Ashcroft, in an interview said, "Your magazine also helps set the record straight. You've got a heritage of doing that, of defending Southern patriots.... Traditionalists must do more. I've got to do more." [Southern Partisan, Second Quarter/1998]

Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting (FAIR) have created an authoritative list of what Southern Partisan stands for. These beliefs are just as preposterous and ahistorical as those of the neo-nazis in the street. But in this case, this is a magazine read by the Attorney General of the U.S."


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Re: Am I a racist [Re: Dilauded]
    #1193337 - 01/05/03 06:37 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I'll delve deeper into your wild defense of the republican party later.

I'd like to point out though, I'm not defending the democrats. They're a bunch of assholes too.

What the fuck is up with his opposition of gay rights?

Why the hell did he want that statue covered? I don't see how someone who is bothered by a naked tit, scratch that, a carving of a naked tit, could possibly be trusted to handle the responsibility of a high ranking government position.


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Re: Am I a racist [Re: Phluck]
    #1193362 - 01/05/03 06:44 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Seriously. Dilauded is the first guy I've seen defending Ashcroft. Even most Republicans I've talked to are scared of that guy.


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Re: Am I a racist [Re: Phluck]
    #1193433 - 01/05/03 07:05 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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What the fuck is up with his opposition of gay rights?



I think it has to do with the Bible saying gays are going to hell. And maybe if he wasn't opposed to it, then a lot of Christians wouldn't like him. I don't think its government's place to put a law on anything like gay rights or racism. I havn't a problem with gays/lesbians, just respect one another. My girlfriend is bi, I havn't a problem unless its another man. But I don't think gay rights would do anything, if anything, I think it'd cause more people to be pissed off and make fun of gays more. Its like racism and gay rights will always be a problem.

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Why the hell did he want that statue covered? I don't see how someone who is bothered by a naked tit, scratch that, a carving of a naked tit, could possibly be trusted to handle the responsibility of a high ranking government position.



If its artwork then let it be art. Maybe some people at Church complained about it or maybe he does have a problem with it. Idk, I don't agree with that.

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Re: Am I a racist [Re: Dilauded]
    #1193463 - 01/05/03 07:12 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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But I don't think gay rights would do anything, if anything, I think it'd cause more people to be pissed off and make fun of gays more. Its like racism and gay rights will always be a problem.



People will make fun of gays irregardless, but they still deserve the same rights as straight people. They should be able to marry who they want to marry, live where they want to live, and enjoy all the freedoms and protections that others enjoy. I agree that gays in the military will cause more violence against gays, but they should still have the right to join. They should just be aware of the danger they're putting themselves in.


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Re: Am I a racist [Re: silversoul7]
    #1193540 - 01/05/03 07:32 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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Seriously. Dilauded is the first guy I've seen defending Ashcroft. Even most Republicans I've talked to are scared of that guy.




He's a strong conservative and him being pro-death penalty, anti-abortion, anti gay rights, and opposed to gun control doesn't mean i advocate the guy's every view. The opposition to gun control and the pro-death penalty is what I agree with him by. Abortion is already a law and I doubt the courts would make it illegal, have they yet? But that's aside the subject.

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Re: Am I a racist [Re: Dilauded]
    #1193575 - 01/05/03 07:39 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I'm referring more the to fact that he doesn't seem to think the Bill of Rights means anything. He's destroying civil liberties in this country as we speak.


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Re: Am I a racist [Re: silversoul7]
    #1193582 - 01/05/03 07:41 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Wasn't there already a gay couple wed?
I hear what you're saying, but gays will be exploited no matter what. Might as well figure out something to work with it.

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    #1193646 - 01/05/03 07:57 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Well, there's a difference between a ceremonial wedding and an actual legally recognized marriage. Hawaii is the only state I know of that recognizes gay marriages, tho there might be a few others.


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Re: Am I a racist [Re: silversoul7]
    #1193665 - 01/05/03 08:02 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Too bad its a big deal for a lot of people.


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    #1193684 - 01/05/03 08:07 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

As far as I'm concerned the State has no business sanctioning any marriages.

A marriage is a contract between two people of the opposite sex.

Gay "marriage" is a loop hole to get tax breaks and other benefits.

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    #1193722 - 01/05/03 08:12 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Among those "benefits" you mention is inheritance. What if a gay man is killed and doesn't have a will? Without a state-sanctioned marriage, the parter gets nothing. Another "benefit" is hospital visits. Personally, I would consider these things to be rather important.


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So you'd better have a will.


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    #1194176 - 01/05/03 11:41 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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While their speeches might convince you that their agendas are different, they really don't do things much differently.




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Re: Am I a racist [Re: silversoul7]
    #1194189 - 01/05/03 11:51 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

The subjects like racism and gay rights are like beating a dead horse.

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Re: Am I a racist [Re: Phred]
    #1194376 - 01/06/03 02:50 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

How can there be a resumption of hostilities? we have been bombing them for the last 10 years anyway.

Its about money, its about power, its about control. We sold them all the WMD's, we practically created Iraq about 80 yearsa ago. At which time, I might add my, government were bombing innocent kurds and Winston Churchill had approved the use of poison gas on the Kurds, luckily for them we couldnt quite get the technology right at that point.

If you want to support war with Iraq, fine by me but dont pretend its about all that dreary drivel you get fed thru the media. Stand up and say "im willing to bomb innocent Iraqi's to further the cause of global capitalism" at least thats closer to the truth than all this WMD rubbish.





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    #1194377 - 01/06/03 02:52 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Ive been brainwashed - I just dont know who by! :grin: 


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Re: Am I a racist [Re: Dilauded]
    #1194534 - 01/06/03 04:52 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

"The subjects like racism and gay rights are like beating a dead horse."

Why? They're obviously still big problems today.


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Re: Am I a racist [Re: Dilauded]
    #1194554 - 01/06/03 05:04 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

What were some of Gore's stances on the issues, let's see:

-Pro death penalty
-Huge list of proposed tax cuts
-Increased military spending
-Wanted to censor music/other media
-Anti-abortion
-Although he's supposedly a "friend of the environment", under the Clinton administration, he seemed far less concerned than even Reagan did.

Here's a list of environmental tidbits Clinton/Gore are responsible for:

-The passage of the "salvage logging" rider that is causing the destruction of ancient public forests and critical watersheds.
-The signing of the Panama Declaration, which undermines protection or marine mammals including dolphins and whales.
-The continuation of the use of methyl bromide, a highly toxic pesticide known to destroy the Earth's ozone layer.
-The weakening if not the gutting, of the Endangered Species Act through administrative changes in its rules and regulations.
-The passage of NAFTA and GATT, international trade agreements that represent the biggest sellout of American workers in U.S. history and effectively remove environmental protections passed by Congress because any legislation deemed to "restrain free trade" can be declared illegal by international tribunals dominated by large scale corporate interests.
-The lowering of grazing fees on public land, despite promises by candidate Clinton to raise those fees. As a result, Clinton is subsidizing the cattle industry while overtaxing people and land.
-Continuing to subsidize the sugar industry in Florida, which is poisoning the Everglades and diverting large amounts of water needed by wildlife.
-Opening wildlife refuges to hunting and fishing by presidential decrees.
-Weakening the Safe Drinking Water Act by allowing increased levels of lead and arsenic in drinking water supplies.
-Reversing the ban on the production of and importation of -PCBs (polychlorinated biphenyls), which may cause more than 40,000 fatalities in the Great Lakes region alone.
-Increasing our dependence on Middle East Oil by breaking the promise to not allow the export of Alaskan oil.

I blatantly copied that list from some other site.

That's just what I could bring up in a few minutes of research. If I weren't so lazy, I'd go into way more detail.


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Re: Am I a racist [Re: silversoul7]
    #1194672 - 01/06/03 01:15 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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I agree that gays in the military will cause more violence against gays, but they should still have the right to join. They should just be aware of the danger they're putting themselves in.




...naturally, being shot at by arab fundamentalists in some godforsaken shithole instead of doing the interior decorations at Anna Nicole Smith's villa would be a significant increase on the level of violence (unless you are into really heavy S/M shit on your free time).


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Re: Am I a racist [Re: Dilauded]
    #1194717 - 01/06/03 01:39 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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The subjects like racism and gay rights are like beating a dead horse.

It a shame that GNR doesn't have Slash anymore,
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I fail to see how. I mean, ya, racism and homophobia are always going to exist, but this isn't about changing people's attitudes. It's about giving these people equal rights. There's a difference between bigotry and oppression.


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    #1194829 - 01/06/03 02:18 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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Stand up and say "im willing to bomb innocent Iraqi's to further the cause of global capitalism"




Saddam killed off the innocent Iraqis.


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    #1195634 - 01/06/03 06:56 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

America is not a perfect society, but other countries have it a worse than America could ever dream of. While many in the middle east scour for something to eat everyday, here in America we're thinkin bout something like when's the next DVD coming out. My point is, if you're gay/lesbian/bi that you have a lot more rights here than you will anywhere else. And if gays aren't accepted and don't get along w/ the community, then move somewhere they're welcomed(ie:Key West, San Francisco). Politicians who say they're for/against gay rights say it to get votes. You have the right to do everything everyone else can. Some ppl will understand gays and a lot won't. Its a part of life wherever in the world you are.

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Re: Am I a racist [Re: Dilauded]
    #1195643 - 01/06/03 07:00 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I already mentioned rights that gay people don't have, such as inheritance, hospital visits, marriage, and military service.


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    #1195693 - 01/06/03 07:19 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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What were some of Gore's stances on the issues, let's see:

-Pro death penalty
-Huge list of proposed tax cuts
-Increased military spending
-Wanted to censor music/other media
-Anti-abortion



Now Gore is a man who I don't believe one word of what he says. I mean the guy had a different stance everytime I saw him speak. Its a waste of time to pay attention to the him. Now Clinton is a man who could lie with a smile on his face and a lot of people believe him, and his clever use of wording. Just goes to show how dumb people are and what media how much an influence media has on the public. But those stances that you listed by Gore were an attempt to take away votes from Bush.

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Here's a list of environmental tidbits Clinton/Gore are responsible for:



Yea that whole list.

That's interesting, b/c I always thought they stood beside the environmentalists. What's the website? Hippies, at festivals, would preach on about save the trees and how the Republicans are killing the environment, then I'd see the Clinton/Gore sticker on their car. And now your post.

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Re: Am I a racist [Re: silversoul7]
    #1195724 - 01/06/03 07:31 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Oh yea, sorry. Aren't gays allowed to join the military? Well, maybe gays could goto a state where gay marriages are accepted, get married and move back to where they came. With hospital visits, why don't gays just lie to the receptionist and tell em they're family and if that doesn't work ask for a supervisor. I'm sure if its someone you cared very dearly of then they wouldn't hold you back from them, and if they did then WTF. Inheritance, this college professor lived nxt to this widow and cared for her. The widow had nobody and when she passed away, gave the professor the house she lived in along w/ 20acres of land in a will.

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Re: Am I a racist [Re: Phluck]
    #1195740 - 01/06/03 07:39 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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"The subjects like racism and gay rights are like beating a dead horse."

Why? They're obviously still big problems today.




Yea, its as big a problem today as it was back during slavery and all inbetween slavery. But its still a problem that's been going on most of America's existance. its a valid topic, but I don't think its something I'd enjoy talking about all day.

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Re: Am I a racist [Re: Dilauded]
    #1195744 - 01/06/03 07:40 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

When I mentioned inheritance, I was talking about people who haven't drawn up a will. And yes, gays are technically allowed in the military as long as they don't tell anyone their sexuality, which in itself is a bullshit law. As far as gay marriage goes, many states refuse to recognize gay marriages even if the people got married in a state where it's legal. That means that, for example, if one partner died, the other wouldn't get to collect their life insurance.


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    #1195756 - 01/06/03 07:49 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Oh, well that's some shit then. Couldn't you file a suit?


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    #1195773 - 01/06/03 07:56 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

You could, but I don't know if you'd win. Maybe if you appealed it all the way to the Supreme Court, you'd win.


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Re: Am I a racist [Re: silversoul7]
    #1196640 - 01/07/03 04:52 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)


And yes, gays are technically allowed in the military as long as they don't tell anyone their sexuality, which in itself is a bullshit law.

That's a sticky topic.

I am straight and I have nothing against gay people. Whoever you want to hang
out with, fuck, and spend your life with, is your business and I don't care. BUT,
our military is an organization that needs to be ready at a moments notice to
defend our country. If our military has low morale, then it will not do a good
job. There are a lot of people in America(and in the military) that look down upon
homosexuality. If they were to be serving next to gay people, it might bother
them so much that their performance could be affected.


Let's face it, if gays were allowed to openly serve in the military, a lot of problems
would arise. We need to wait until homosexuality is more accepted before we
allow "out of the closet" gays to serve. The military is not an organization that
should be used for social experimentation, no matter how noble the intentions
are.


As far as gay marriage goes, many states refuse to recognize gay marriages even if the people got married in a state where it's legal. That means that, for example, if one partner died, the other wouldn't get to collect their life insurance.

I was under the impression that whoever you named as your life insurance
beneficiary got the life insurance, and it didn't matter who it was(spouse, co-
habitator, child, friend, aqcuaintence, etc..).

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    #1197330 - 01/07/03 10:49 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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I was under the impression that whoever you named as your life insurance
beneficiary got the life insurance, and it didn't matter who it was(spouse, co-
habitator, child, friend, aqcuaintence, etc..).



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That's all great and nice, you're conversations about gays and spouses and stuff but I'm really offended of your acusations towards DOGS in your second post. DOGS are mans best friend. Terrible a guy that puts dogs down like that. :tongue:


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Yeah.... dogs are great as long as their seasoned correctly.


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    #1197862 - 01/07/03 01:53 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I know what you're saying about straight people in the military being bothered by gays, but when President Truman racially integrated the military, many white guys in the military were bothered by black people. Still, they had orders and they followed them.


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Re: Am I a racist [Re: Dilauded]
    #1197881 - 01/07/03 02:02 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

"Well, maybe gays could goto a state where gay marriages are accepted, get married and move back to where they came. With hospital visits, why don't gays just lie to the receptionist and tell em they're family and if that doesn't work ask for a supervisor."

Hey, here's an even better idea! Why don't they just change the fucking laws?


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    #1198841 - 01/07/03 07:58 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

yea they should, but if they havn't their should be a way around it.

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Re: Am I a racist [Re: Dilauded]
    #1201165 - 01/08/03 03:09 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Well, in theory it's possible to find a way around it, but it's not really feasible for everyone.

It's fucking stupid not to change things.


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