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Re: Am I a racist [Re: silversoul7]
    #1192111 - 01/05/03 10:23 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

During the Oklahoma Bombing, the FBI found 2 Iraqis at the time of the bombing, they were taken in and questioned, but GOOD OL' CLINTON Pardoned them.
http://www.dimmockreport.com/iraqlinkedtooklahoma.htm

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Re: Am I a racist [Re: Phluck]
    #1192115 - 01/05/03 10:26 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

The reason I asked if you voted was to confirm the analysis I did of you via your posts. You are an anomaly for your age group. But all the signs were there.

Good for you for voting! And the fact that you think about who you vote for. Voters like you do your Country a world of good.

I have rarely missed an election since I was your age. My parents were both political activists and I can remember political conversations around the dinner table clear back to when I was 5.


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Re: Am I a racist [Re: ]
    #1192148 - 01/05/03 10:48 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I do have one voting regret...

I "guessed" in the municipal election.


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Re: Am I a racist [Re: Dilauded]
    #1192149 - 01/05/03 10:49 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

"During the Oklahoma Bombing, the FBI found 2 Iraqis at the time of the bombing, they were taken in and questioned, but GOOD OL' CLINTON Pardoned them."

Oh, that bastard.

You do realize that they didn't do it, right?


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Re: Am I a racist [Re: Phluck]
    #1192169 - 01/05/03 11:04 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Phluck writes:

Iraq has done NOTHING that gives the US the right to attack.

Actually, they have. Iraq agreed to abide by the terms of a surrender agreement in order to avoid having the UN coalition of armed forces cross their borders and finish the job properly. Iraq has not fulfilled the terms of that agreement. From a legal point of view, if any of the members of that coalition care to resume hostilities, that is exactly what it will be -- a RESUMPTION of hostilities that were temporarily put on hold pending the fulfillment of the terms of that contract of surrender.

The situation would be completely different if Iraq had immediately adhered to all the terms of the surrender, then at some later date started rebuilding its weapons programs or whatever. If that had been the case, then what Bush is currently threatening to do really would fall under the category of a "pre-emptive strike" rather than resuming hostilities after a protracted conditional cease-fire.

It's somewhat analagous to a homeowner renegotiating a mortgage with a bank to keep the bank from foreclosing -- "Yeah, sure, give me a three month break to get some extra coin together, reduce the monthly payments but extend the time remaining on the term, and I swear I'll meet the terms no problem" -- then missing the next eleven years worth of payments. Sooner or later the bank will step in and foreclose. A contract is a contract, whether between individuals or nations.

This is not necessarily to say that I personally believe it is the right thing to do at the moment. I merely point out that there is established international precedent for enforcing the terms of surrender agreements by force if one of the signatories refuses to do so voluntarily.

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Re: Am I a racist [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1192266 - 01/05/03 11:45 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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If you can provide me with a good reason why Iraq needs to be attacked, maybe I'll change my mind.




1. Because it's there.
2. Because we can.
3. Because the lefties don't want us to.





I have another one they don't deserve to live and when were done with them we should knock off the North koreans!


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Re: Am I a racist [Re: Phluck]
    #1192296 - 01/05/03 11:57 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I'm not saying they did or didn't do it. But what're the odds of these 2 Iraqis being around during the bombing? And before they were done questioning them, Clinton steps in to pardon.


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Re: Am I a racist [Re: Dilauded]
    #1192328 - 01/05/03 12:13 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

So, John Ashcroft's aides are leading an "investigation" that suggests that a group of Arab men with links to Iraqi intelligence, the PLO, AND al Queda are behind the bombing previously blamed on white supremacists??? How convenient. Especially considering that this would seem to be evidence of Iraq's supposed connection to al Queda. Also, it would seem to relieve the burden of guilt from Ashcroft's favorite race(I seem to remember reading somewhere about Ashcroft's ties to white supremacist groups).


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Re: Am I a racist [Re: Phluck]
    #1192470 - 01/05/03 01:26 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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If you spent any time looking into the republican party, you'd find veiled racism.



Wasn't it the Republican Lincoln who freed the slaves? And wasn't it Strom Thurman who was a Democrat but decided to run as a Dixie-Crat with a motive to preserve slavery? James Meredith was the first black man admited to University of Mississippi during JFK. Meredith is a Republican and preached on about how the Democrats have done nothing for the African Americans and that they only keep them down. While I was in Key Largo for New Years, going to Ft.Lauderdale, on the jazz station, was a man called Mike the Black Man and he went on about how Democrats havn't done shit for the black community, brought a lot of the bible into his discussion. And how hard works pays off. Then a chant "Latin, Black, and White... Must UNITE"

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fear, anger, and all the nasty bullshit that you claim fuels the democrats. Both sides are at least equally wrong.



During political debates on CSPAN, I don't believe I've ever seen a Republican take his anger out on his Democratic opponent, rather than the Democrat is the one who making the occusations of the Republican being wrong and what he/she stands for wrong.

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You seem to have had it drilled into your brain that anything even remotely socialist is somehow evil.



I don't think its evil, I think its not for me. Socialism makes it hard for someone to aspire. There's high taxes. With high taxes, what business would want to setup there, might as well goto Mexico. Everyone is equal(supposedly) except the government. If you like socialism, I'm not holding it against you, but it takes away the benefit of long hard work. Socialism destroys individualism.

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"If Bush had done something obviously wrong and was impeached, Republicans would vote to kick him out. Democrats, majority of them, on the other hand would stand by their party to the end."

What facts are you using to back something like this up?




I don't have any facts to back this up but Republicans are less herd oriented, or at least nowadays.

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Iraq has done NOTHING that gives the US the right to attack. You can use the argument that Iraq has funded terrorism, but if you spent any time researching this you'd quickly realize that the US, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Canada, France, have all funded terrorism in some way or another. It should be noted that Bin Laden would never back Iraq on anything. Iraq is not nearly Muslim enough for their liking. They have Christians in their government, and women are free to be educated and employed. The US claims that Iraq is developing weapons of mass destruction, while the US still has thousands of nuclear bombs stockpiled, and are on perfectly good terms with many other countries that freely admit to having nuclear arms. On top of this, there are UN inspectors in Iraq right now, searching for evidence of these weapons, and they've found NOTHING. Now, this doesn't proove absolutely that they don't have anything, but if we don't come up with anything, we hardly have the right to attack them over it.

If you can provide me with a good reason why Iraq needs to be attacked, maybe I'll change my mind.



Blix gave a talk a while ago saying he knows Suddam has weapons, but they're hard to find. Republicans and Democrats have even stated that they are positive Suddam has weapons. We just have to find them. The inspectors are now trying to get a hold of 2 scientists that were involved with the research and production of chemical weapons. These 2 are prolly hiding out somewhere. Blix talked about how Suddam has the weapons in some underground bunker. Good luck finding that.

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Oh yeah, the republicans would NEVER stoop that low.



There was a Democratic Senator, I think from New Jersey, who ran as a Republican, but when he got in the Senate was on the Democratic side.
And I'm sure Republicans have done some sneaky things in the past, but Democrats are the king of scum. Hillary Clinton said she was Jewish to get votes. Gore changed his views many time and wasn't as good a liar as Clinton. Clinton would lie on public tv and smile. There's documented reports of the CIA warning Clinton 8 times of North Korea researching the Nuclear Bomb and yet did nothing. I heard something where Republicans in Georgia went around the black section of town and passed out flyers saying "If you don't vote during election day then the voting booth be open 2 days later" There was a report during Clinton and Dole where thousands of mail in ballots from troops overseas were thrown away. I think Baker county in Florida that wanted a recount and when there was a recount and they saw Bush was still winning, they wanted another one. And to this day, Gore still thinks if he had that recount that he'd be President. What a world that would be. A Republican Senator lost b/c the Democrat had false votes, only if he'd challenge it and recount it, he would have won, but he accepted the loss and will come back the next election. I could go on but I think I made my point.

Nixon sent a spy to see what the Democrats were doing for Watergate
Yea, maybe the Republicans would stoop that low.
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Re: Am I a racist [Re: Ripple]
    #1192593 - 01/05/03 02:37 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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I have another one they don't deserve to live


Who is they that you refer to?


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Re: Am I a racist [Re: Skikid16]
    #1192801 - 01/05/03 03:51 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I refer to the hard line regime in Iraq that promotes terror and hate! the ones who held parties as the twin towers burned.


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Re: Am I a racist [Re: Ripple]
    #1192950 - 01/05/03 04:47 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I agree, I just think it will be hard to do without significant civilian casualties.


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Re: Am I a racist [Re: Skikid16]
    #1193081 - 01/05/03 05:29 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

No doubt that there will be civilian casualties but that's the situation he has put his population in. Hopefully when things get hot they will surrender in droves like in the Gulf War.


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Re: Am I a racist [Re: silversoul7]
    #1193130 - 01/05/03 05:44 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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Especially considering that this would seem to be evidence of Iraq's supposed connection to al Queda.



Iraq and Al Queda are 2 different stories. Bin Laden doesn't like Suddam because of something back in the Gulf War I think, I forget but I don't think they're together in it. They both hate America.

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Also, it would seem to relieve the burden of guilt from Ashcroft's favorite race(I seem to remember reading somewhere about Ashcroft's ties to white supremacist groups).



Where did you hear that? John Ashcroft is a brilliant man, he's no dummy. I don't know about that but if you wanna bring up the race card. A month or two ago a Democratic Senator's exact words, "There are white niggers and there are black niggers." There's two other Democratic Senators are racist too. One of them was a KKK leader and another was in the KKK. Also words from a proclaimed African American in civil rights, the Republican, James Meredith said, "There will always be racism, only if everybody stops being racist will it not be a problem."

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Re: Am I a racist [Re: ]
    #1193178 - 01/05/03 05:54 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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Nixon would have been impeached because the Democrats were in control of congress.



Yea you're right my mistake.

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Re: Am I a racist [Re: Dilauded]
    #1193329 - 01/05/03 06:33 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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Especially considering that this would seem to be evidence of Iraq's supposed connection to al Queda.



Iraq and Al Queda are 2 different stories. Bin Laden doesn't like Suddam because of something back in the Gulf War I think, I forget but I don't think they're together in it.



I agree. I was just saying how the Bush administration was trying to link the two together, and how that story you posted just seemed too convenient for them considering their agenda.
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They both hate America.



So does most of the world.
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Also, it would seem to relieve the burden of guilt from Ashcroft's favorite race(I seem to remember reading somewhere about Ashcroft's ties to white supremacist groups).



Where did you hear that? John Ashcroft is a brilliant man, he's no dummy. I don't know about that but if you wanna bring up the race card. A month or two ago a Democratic Senator's exact words, "There are white niggers and there are black niggers." There's two other Democratic Senators are racist too. One of them was a KKK leader and another was in the KKK. Also words from a proclaimed African American in civil rights, the Republican, James Meredith said, "There will always be racism, only if everybody stops being racist will it not be a problem."

Socialism/Communism destroys individualism,
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GOP's racist tendencies

"Ashcroft: The More Overt GOP Racist?

Even more alarming is the pro-white-supremacist behavior of Attorney General John Ashcroft. Freedom-loving Americans deserve to know that the man who is chipping away at civil liberties has endorsed and supported the pro-slavery magazine Southern Partisan. Among these many backward, far-right lunatic beliefs are praise for Lincoln's assassin, John Wilkes Booth, as well as "super hero" Nathan Bedford Forrest, founder of the KKK. Ashcroft, in an interview said, "Your magazine also helps set the record straight. You've got a heritage of doing that, of defending Southern patriots.... Traditionalists must do more. I've got to do more." [Southern Partisan, Second Quarter/1998]

Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting (FAIR) have created an authoritative list of what Southern Partisan stands for. These beliefs are just as preposterous and ahistorical as those of the neo-nazis in the street. But in this case, this is a magazine read by the Attorney General of the U.S."


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Re: Am I a racist [Re: Dilauded]
    #1193337 - 01/05/03 06:37 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I'll delve deeper into your wild defense of the republican party later.

I'd like to point out though, I'm not defending the democrats. They're a bunch of assholes too.

What the fuck is up with his opposition of gay rights?

Why the hell did he want that statue covered? I don't see how someone who is bothered by a naked tit, scratch that, a carving of a naked tit, could possibly be trusted to handle the responsibility of a high ranking government position.


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Re: Am I a racist [Re: Phluck]
    #1193362 - 01/05/03 06:44 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Seriously. Dilauded is the first guy I've seen defending Ashcroft. Even most Republicans I've talked to are scared of that guy.


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Re: Am I a racist [Re: Phluck]
    #1193433 - 01/05/03 07:05 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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What the fuck is up with his opposition of gay rights?



I think it has to do with the Bible saying gays are going to hell. And maybe if he wasn't opposed to it, then a lot of Christians wouldn't like him. I don't think its government's place to put a law on anything like gay rights or racism. I havn't a problem with gays/lesbians, just respect one another. My girlfriend is bi, I havn't a problem unless its another man. But I don't think gay rights would do anything, if anything, I think it'd cause more people to be pissed off and make fun of gays more. Its like racism and gay rights will always be a problem.

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Why the hell did he want that statue covered? I don't see how someone who is bothered by a naked tit, scratch that, a carving of a naked tit, could possibly be trusted to handle the responsibility of a high ranking government position.



If its artwork then let it be art. Maybe some people at Church complained about it or maybe he does have a problem with it. Idk, I don't agree with that.

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Re: Am I a racist [Re: Dilauded]
    #1193463 - 01/05/03 07:12 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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But I don't think gay rights would do anything, if anything, I think it'd cause more people to be pissed off and make fun of gays more. Its like racism and gay rights will always be a problem.



People will make fun of gays irregardless, but they still deserve the same rights as straight people. They should be able to marry who they want to marry, live where they want to live, and enjoy all the freedoms and protections that others enjoy. I agree that gays in the military will cause more violence against gays, but they should still have the right to join. They should just be aware of the danger they're putting themselves in.


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