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Re: Ayahuasca: Spirits or hallucinations? [Re: NlightNd1]
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caapi


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Re: Ayahuasca: Spirits or hallucinations? [Re: JackofSpades]
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Okay, I didn't know you were referring to the the vine of the dead. I've never taken banisteriopsis caapi so I have no idea.


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Re: Ayahuasca: Spirits or hallucinations? [Re: NlightNd1]
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when you take just caapi its weird.

its sort of like all DMT is just intensify the experience and create vivid hallucinations for what you are experiencing.


caapi alone creates the same sensations and experience and less intense/vivid/interesting visuals.


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Edited by JackofSpades (01/15/10 09:37 AM)

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Re: Ayahuasca: Spirits or hallucinations? [Re: JackofSpades]
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If ayahuasca is different from DMT, is pharmahuasca (dmt freebase and an maoi) different from ayahuasca?

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Re: Ayahuasca: Spirits or hallucinations? [Re: Angel_Above]
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from what i understand yes. i haven't done pharmahuasca though.

technically ayahuasca is caapi + the dmt admixture (as far as i know) but shamans say that the true spirit of ayahausca exists in the caapi.

after taking just caapi i see what they mean like i said dmt just intensifies it, the main thing your experiencing is the caapi.

if caapi is the music then dmt is like adding a really good sound system and light show in my opinion.


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Re: Ayahuasca: Spirits or hallucinations? [Re: JackofSpades]
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This is the biggest issue with the spirit hallucination debate

I listened to that interview thats on the front page under the ayahuasca book link and the author says something along these lines:

"The spirits are everywhere they are here right now, in this room and ayahausca is the pair of glasses to see them" (they are in a radio show room)

Now, that means these are things that exists outside of us. meaning, not hallucinations.

Everytime I take aya or just caapi i act as if i am coming in contact with spirits (asking to be kind and shit like that) but thats mainly just because im scared shitless (from confronting dark things inside) not because there is undoubtley a spirit.


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Re: Ayahuasca: Spirits or hallucinations? [Re: JackofSpades]
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its kinda more then just the caapi tho the caapi is the channel id say see the movie avatar and its kinda how that tree is its just a tap into ancestral spirits and existing ones


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Re: Ayahuasca: Spirits or hallucinations? [Re: thedudenj]
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i think personally you can feel inside you when its a spirit your seeing  unlike when its a mere hallucination, in any case you certainly can not dismiss the possibility that some how whether it be through the perceptions of the pineal gland or whatnot that we can on ocassion see "spirits" i guess it also depends on your interpretation of spirits do you define them as sentient beings? energy? a higher power? when the time comes and u see/feel it you will know the difference


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Re: Ayahuasca: Spirits or hallucinations? [Re: wal0013]
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ive always felt like the caapi just takes you over and your at its command but i cant really say oh yeah that was a "spirit". but im open minded to the idea. i suppose i need to go down to the amazon to experience it.


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Re: Ayahuasca: Spirits or hallucinations? [Re: JackofSpades]
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whether they are spirits from outside of you or from in your head it doesn't make any difference to the lessons they have to teach. perhaps the spirits have been in our own DNA the whole time, and now, a few billion years after the event of directed panspermia that began life on earth, our ancient ancestors have awakened from our DNA with the help of a chemical reaction to save the earth from it's forthcoming destruction.

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Re: Ayahuasca: Spirits or hallucinations? [Re: hello_im_alex]
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yeah im down with that.


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Re: Ayahuasca: Sprits or hallucinations? [Re: NlightNd1]
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They're definitely real in some way.
They're definitely not real as in existing outside of a human brain.

Not one person has ever brought back a single piece of information that they did not already have.

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However I am certain that they are powered by some form of intelligence other than my own mind.


Your certainty is evidence of nothing. Strong belief has no weight.


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I can't even reconstruct those visions based off of memory. They're just way too complex. Plus many people report seeing the exact same entities when they previously had no preconceived notion that those entities were capable of being seen on DMT.


Funny how you totally contradict yourself here. These entities/visions cannot be reconstructed because they are too complex, yet vague verbal descriptions point to the exact same thing. :rolleyes:

Try to make sense.


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Re: Ayahuasca: Sprits or hallucinations? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Not one person has ever brought back a single piece of information that they did not already have.


Maybe not telepathically imparted information from a Hyperspace entity. However I've brought back plenty of information. The only difference is that it's purely visual information instead. Those unbelievably complex visions could not possibly have come from my subconscious mind because even the combined brain power of the entire human race could duplicate them through imagination. I'm absolutely convinced that those visions are the design of something or Someone who has incomprehensible knowledge and power. My opinion is completely subjective. The only way to understand where I'm coming from is to inject or smoke a massive dose of DMT and see for yourself.


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Re: Ayahuasca: Sprits or hallucinations? [Re: NlightNd1]
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Those unbelievably complex visions could not possibly have come from my subconscious mind because even the combined brain power of the entire human race could duplicate them through imagination.


You are a neuro-scientist who has modelled the computing power of the entire human race?

I thought not! :thumbdown:

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I'm absolutely convinced that those visions are the design of something or Someone who has incomprehensible knowledge and power.


And the suicide bombers who are 'absolutely convinced' they will get 42 virgins in heaven tells us what? How does conviction relate to fact?


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Re: Ayahuasca: Sprits or hallucinations? [Re: NlightNd1]
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NlightNd1 said:
Those unbelievably complex visions could not possibly have come from my subconscious mind because even the combined brain power of the entire human race could duplicate them through imagination.


Except that you're proof that they can, delusional.

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