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Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps!
#11851622 - 01/18/10 07:19 AM (14 years, 12 days ago) |
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This poll is intended to collect information for the Potency Project thread. Please keep discussion of the underlying question in that thread. This poll asks separately about isolate cultures and multispore grows, as discussed in the thread. You can view the results at any time, so there's no need to waste a vote- make yours count.
Edit- the isolate question is flawed, there's no option for people who isolate cultures, but not PE. If that's you, choose 'isolate for other factors', please.
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Edited by Doc_T (01/18/10 07:36 AM)
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: Doc_T]
#11851829 - 01/18/10 08:39 AM (14 years, 12 days ago) |
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Could be interesting if enough people participate. Perhaps this should be stickied?
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: Doc_T]
#11856308 - 01/18/10 09:31 PM (14 years, 12 days ago) |
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Doc_t,
Some of the questions have confusing wording, at least to me it does...
Like this one:
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doc_t said:
"PE potency, on average. Multispore grow, not an isolate. Compare with average potency of 'just cubes'."
When you say "compare with average potency of 'just cubes'", it kinda makes it hard to understand. I mean, what variety is considered "just a cube"?
Maybe wording in the form of a question might help...
"How would describe the potency (on average) of Penis Envy (grown from Multispore, not an isolate) to a common cubenis 'strain' such as B+?"
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"How would describe the potency (on average) of B+ (grown from Multispore, not an isolate) compared to other Ps. cubenis?"
And that "on average" might be hard to limit because some people could of just tried it once and cannot take an "average" or another person could of just tried it 3 times, in which the average would be better, but still not as good as someone who had 5+ experiences with PE.
Maybe you should put a question that asks this...
My example:
"How many times have you ingested PE on its own?" (A) once (B) twice (C) 3-4 times (D) 5+ times (E) Too many to count
That way, we can get an idea of how familiar the person is with PE.
Also, this one is confusing....
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doc_t said: Isolates. Is the limit of potency in an isolated culture the same for PE as for other Ps cubensis?
Are you trying to say...
"PE Isolates: Is the average potency of a PE (isolated specifically for potency) the same as other Ps. Cubenis isolates?"
This question is confusing because of the last answer. Question: "Evaluate your experience level. Be honest." Last Answer: "I haven't grown mushrooms at all yet."
^Which kind of experience are you refering to? Growing mushrooms or taking mushrooms? Because there's people who likely very experienced with taking mushrooms but know nothing about growing, and vice versa. I think this question needs to be rephrased, or there should be 2 questions, one for "growing" and one for "taking".
Example:
Question #1: "What's your experience level with taking mushrooms?"
Question #2: What's your experience level with growing mushrooms?"
Lastly, what is "STAL" and "UTSE"?
Can you explain that acroynm for us? What I've learned from conducting polls is to always explain what acryonms mean. I try to never to assume that the person knows what it means.
I think that would make a better post.
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Edited by LogicaL Chaos (01/18/10 09:45 PM)
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#11856335 - 01/18/10 09:34 PM (14 years, 12 days ago) |
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Dude, you have some serious issues. I recommend therapy to help you let go of your control fetish.
1) I assume poll respondents have read the thread. That's why I linked them to the thread. 2) If you don't know what STAL means, you need to UTSE.
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
#11856359 - 01/18/10 09:36 PM (14 years, 12 days ago) |
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my understanding is, any type of cube is just a cube... and i agree with Quote:
"How many times have you ingested PE on its own?" (A) once (B) twice (C) 3-4 times (D) 5+ times (E) Too many to count
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: oh_you_know]
#11856398 - 01/18/10 09:42 PM (14 years, 12 days ago) |
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The only thing that I can see that is weird is that doing the math is a little annoying because of the "I haven't grown these" option. Other than that, it's useful.
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: Doc_T]
#11856411 - 01/18/10 09:45 PM (14 years, 12 days ago) |
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Doc_T said: Dude, you have some serious issues. I recommend therapy to help you let go of your control fetish.
1) I assume poll respondents have read the thread. That's why I linked them to the thread. 2) If you don't know what STAL means, you need to UTSE.
What does STAL and UTSE mean?
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: blackdust]
#11856474 - 01/18/10 09:53 PM (14 years, 12 days ago) |
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blackdust said:
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Doc_T said: Dude, you have some serious issues. I recommend therapy to help you let go of your control fetish.
1) I assume poll respondents have read the thread. That's why I linked them to the thread. 2) If you don't know what STAL means, you need to UTSE.
What does STAL and UTSE mean?
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: oh_you_know]
#11856596 - 01/18/10 10:16 PM (14 years, 12 days ago) |
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STAL - Sir Tokes A Lot UT(F)SE - Use The(Fuckin')Search Engine
LOL, we've got 3 Masters and a Senior Master voted already
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: oh_you_know]
#11856626 - 01/18/10 10:22 PM (14 years, 12 days ago) |
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I'm guessing by oh_you_know's response in the form of an animation, and by doc_t's quote: "If you don't know what STAL means, you need to UTSE." STAL and UTSE are likely a "inside joke" for a vugular acronym, which means its useless for the poll and was just done "for fun".
Sure, I'll get therapy for my control issues, once you start being mature...like NOW!
Frankly, I think its pretty immature for a project that shouldn't be viewed as "immature", but revalent, unique and interesting in magic mushroom cultivation.
But, still the "Evalute your experience level" question is still confusing. Which experience is it? Tripping on mushrooms or growing mushrooms?
And what do you consider "Just cubes"? B+? Maybe PF Classic?
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#11856643 - 01/18/10 10:26 PM (14 years, 12 days ago) |
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A CUBE IS A CUBE. any cube grown is a cube. he is just talking about the potency of generally any type on psilocybe cubensis
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: oh_you_know]
#11856662 - 01/18/10 10:29 PM (14 years, 12 days ago) |
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oh_you_know said: any cube grown is a cube. he is just talking about the potency of generally any type on psilocybe cubensis
As discussed in the thread. Have you read the thread? Go read the thread!
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: Doc_T]
#11856685 - 01/18/10 10:32 PM (14 years, 12 days ago) |
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i read some when it was first posted. im talking about this poll. do you not mean the potency of any cube? cause thats what it seems like...
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: oh_you_know]
#11856690 - 01/18/10 10:33 PM (14 years, 12 days ago) |
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So, your saying there is no difference in potency between any variety of cube.
But isn't PE "a cube"? Is PE the expection because its a mutant?
Or maybe he's refering to comparing PE to other cubenis varieties and NOT other species like Ps. cyans. or Ps. azures.
Am I getting warmer?
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: oh_you_know]
#11856695 - 01/18/10 10:34 PM (14 years, 12 days ago) |
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Yes! "just cubes", grown by ordinary methods and ordinary growers. It's hard concept for some people, but you seem to get it just fine.
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#11856715 - 01/18/10 10:37 PM (14 years, 12 days ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said: Or maybe he's refering to comparing PE to other cubenis varieties
Bingo
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: Doc_T]
#11856720 - 01/18/10 10:38 PM (14 years, 12 days ago) |
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This thread got kind of annoying...what's so hard to understand? Hopefully the information gathered from it will be of some use.
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: libertaire]
#11860836 - 01/19/10 04:46 PM (14 years, 11 days ago) |
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none of those were hard to understand if you know the basics in mush cult. 
some people need to stop over anylizing things and just answer the polls. if you dont understand it then dont answer. pretty simple. 
nice poll.
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: libertaire]
#11860861 - 01/19/10 04:49 PM (14 years, 11 days ago) |
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It's kind of biased from the start seeing as everywhere you go people are screaming about PE potency, so even people who haven't tried the strain would most likely say PE is better than avg. I think people just like dicks, but who doesn't they look cool.
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: Jiggle]
#11860891 - 01/19/10 04:54 PM (14 years, 11 days ago) |
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Jiggle said: even people who haven't tried the strain
If you haven't tried it, don't answer that question to say you have. Also, be sure to read the thread that goes with the poll.
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: Jiggle]
#11860935 - 01/19/10 04:59 PM (14 years, 11 days ago) |
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Jiggle said: It's kind of biased from the start seeing as everywhere you go people are screaming about PE potency, so even people who haven't tried the strain would most likely say PE is better than avg. I think people just like dicks, but who doesn't they look cool.
Whaaaa...I always thought dongs look kinda ugly, especially the blue veiny ones that are still uncircumsized. Nasty....
But your right about the bias of this pole. Come to think about it, this post should of just been called something more general, without mentioning PE in the title. That could already be putting unnessary assumptions and perspections about PE that could influence their answers. One example is the order of your answers: the first answer says "PE is More potent than B+" could affect the answers of people voting.Comforming is a powerful sociological force that will *tend* to give answers that other people do, or the answers that other people "want" them to put.
I think the poll should of been more general like: "Mushroom Tripper Poll: Which cube varitety do you think is most potent?".
Hey, doc_t, do you mind if I make my own Poll thread for The Potency Project that's an improved version of yours? Would you get madd? We're cool right? I mean, I think Boxxxy should be the next president, because she's smart and stuff. 
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Edited by LogicaL Chaos (01/19/10 05:09 PM)
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: Alabama Slim]
#11860957 - 01/19/10 05:04 PM (14 years, 11 days ago) |
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: 13shrooms]
#11860966 - 01/19/10 05:05 PM (14 years, 11 days ago) |
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: Alabama Slim]
#11861003 - 01/19/10 05:10 PM (14 years, 11 days ago) |
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Alabama Slim said: PE is hands down strongest, fattest, nastiest, smelliest strain of all cubes. PEU I've found to be identical in most ways except for it being sometimes uncircumcised.
A smelly, meaty circumcised penis mushroom. Now that's nasty to even picture what it tastes like.
Gotta luv the PE
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#11861025 - 01/19/10 05:14 PM (14 years, 11 days ago) |
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This needs to be the very last strain thread. I'm locking any more that pop up. We let Cervantes strain thread slide, and it's spawned all these, just as I was afraid would happen. I won't make that mistake again. The problem is it fools noobs into thinking the name on the print actually makes a shit. PE tends to look different, and that appearance carries over even when grown from spores. However, PE also generates lots of low potency strains, just like any other cube, which it is.
Only a pure, single sector isolate deserves to be called a strain.
If anyone tried to print a shiitake or oyster, etc., and sell the spores to commercial growers as a strain, they'd get laughed out of the community for being a dumbass. Obviously, you have to isolate if you want to find the best performing strains, and it doesn't matter the name somebody wrote on the print you isolate from. Cubes are cubes. RR
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: RogerRabbit]
#11861048 - 01/19/10 05:17 PM (14 years, 11 days ago) |
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This needs to be the very last strain thread
I tried really hard to have it not be one- read the first post. I specifically asked everybody to keep strain discussion in the thread that you allowed.
RR, if it's possible to lock this but leave the poll open, please do so!  Apparently that's not possible, we'll just have to behave in this thread. No strain discussion. And since I can't edit the poll questions- no poll discussion, please. Which leaves us very little to talk about.
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: Alabama Slim]
#11861162 - 01/19/10 05:32 PM (14 years, 11 days ago) |
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hey doc_T, why didnt you make this in the poll forum and just link it in the PE = potant as hell thread?
with all the billions of repeat questions that are posted everyday this realy shouldnt have been a prob IMO but Im not a mod.
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: 13shrooms]
#11861197 - 01/19/10 05:38 PM (14 years, 11 days ago) |
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Didn't think of it.
I really wanted the Mush Cult crowd to vote on it, but I didn't even think about which forum to put the actual post in.
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: Doc_T]
#11863543 - 01/20/10 12:13 AM (14 years, 11 days ago) |
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Such high tension for a simple post... I like that Doc ended on that question. I agree you don't need to add immaturity to serious subjects but without a little humor at least a quater of the post on this site wouldn't exist. Gotta find joy in everything you do, especially if it's your hobby. But, IDK IMHO WTFC?
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: CoolNameHere]
#11864030 - 01/20/10 04:30 AM (14 years, 10 days ago) |
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I don't really understand why strain discussion is not allowed. Most people understand by now that when we say strain, we really mean a genetic lineage that originated from one initial specimen. I mean, technically, if you're interbreeding a mushroom with itself, and make sure that the mushroom breeds with no one but itself for the duration of it being called that "strain", why would that not be an accurate description? It's the genetics of one single specimen that, while certain variations may occur from the original specimen from time to time, contains the same exact genetic pool as it's parents did. Whether those specific genetic attributes that it's parents expressed initially are being expressed in one particular specimen from that genetic line or not seems completely irrelevant to me. On the other hand, if people were to go around calling a strain an isolate, then I could see there being a problem, because isolate is a much more specific word, but to my understanding, strain is general enough to be accurate.
In any case, like I said, prohibiting discussion of one topic or another, especially one that is trying to be discussed and approached in a scientific manner, seems pretty silly to me. It's not like this is another thread that's like "Yo dude, how do I grow more potent shooomz?", we're trying to settle the myths and non-myths that have been floating around for sometime now with out being put to the test. That's something that should be welcome, not discouraged.
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: libertaire]
#11864284 - 01/20/10 07:18 AM (14 years, 10 days ago) |
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I don't really understand why strain discussion is not allowed.
Because it's pointless. We can go on and on, but never resolve much of anything. And noobs end up thinking the name on the syringe means something, when it's the breeding history that is significant.
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It's not like this is another thread that's like "Yo dude, how do I grow more potent shooomz?",
It'll end up that way if we keep going. Somebody will bring up tryptamine sooner or later, for example.
So we abide by this rule. I'd like to see a Sub-Strain Sub-Forum, but that ain't happenin' either.
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: Doc_T]
#11864369 - 01/20/10 08:02 AM (14 years, 10 days ago) |
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Sooooo... whatchyousayin iz if I addz some... some... tryptamine I can can get some killer shroomz? Like, what if I add grease from my turkey, will that work?
Sorry, I shouldn't make jokes I do ask some dumbass questions too.
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: Doc_T]
#11864664 - 01/20/10 09:35 AM (14 years, 10 days ago) |
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Doc_T said:
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I don't really understand why strain discussion is not allowed.
Because it's pointless. We can go on and on, but never resolve much of anything. And noobs end up thinking the name on the syringe means something, when it's the breeding history that is significant.
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It's not like this is another thread that's like "Yo dude, how do I grow more potent shooomz?",
It'll end up that way if we keep going. Somebody will bring up tryptamine sooner or later, for example.
So we abide by this rule. I'd like to see a Sub-Strain Sub-Forum, but that ain't happenin' either.
But the only thing that I would consider strain discussion that's going on in this thread is straight up "What was your experience with this strain.", which is not some sort of conjecture based discussion on how we can make our mushrooms more potent using questionable techniques, but a legitimate inquiry into people's direct experience, which is a good place to start when you're trying to gather reliable information. (Although anecdotal information is obviously never enough on it's own.) But this sort of strain discussion does not seem pointless to me, it seems very important in understanding things that we currently don't. Why would that be discouraged?
I agree that the term strain is questionable in it's exact meaning, at least around here, which is unfortunate, but I think that the more we discuss it, the more we'll be able to get an understanding and agreement of what exactly it is. Basically my main question is this: Why is a discussion that will eventually lead to a better understanding in general being discouraged?
I second the idea for a strain/sub-strain forum, but don't think it should be called that. I think it would be better to have a race/lineage forum for all of the "strains" that have questionable histories and display a large variety of attributes from one multispore grow to the next, and a strain/isolate forum for "strains" that show fairly consistent attributes from one multispore grow to the next, such as PE or any other isolates that people may create themselves. (Why that hasn't happened yet is beyond me.)
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: libertaire]
#12030416 - 02/14/10 09:01 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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nice poll, hope i can take my competent status and turn it into grand master
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: LivioDoubleFang]
#12147929 - 03/05/10 11:24 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well, despite the doubts that some people had, it looks like this poll has served it's purpose. There is definitely strong anecdotal evidence for PE's potency. 93% of people who have grown PE said it was some variation of more potent than average. That seems pretty conclusive to me.
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: libertaire]
#12148009 - 03/05/10 11:37 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Has there ever been tests to see if P.E. has different psychoactive compounds in it aside from peoples trip reports?I just feel that it gives a different buzz from start to finish
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: Railrider]
#12148031 - 03/05/10 11:42 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Railrider said: Has there ever been tests to see if P.E. has different psychoactive compounds in it aside from peoples trip reports?I just feel that it gives a different buzz from start to finish 
Not yet, but we're working on it.
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: libertaire]
#12148078 - 03/05/10 11:49 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: truskool]
#12148112 - 03/05/10 11:55 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: libertaire]
#12148156 - 03/05/10 12:02 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yea the sarcasm I posted with didnt come thru to your screen then
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: truskool]
#12148167 - 03/05/10 12:04 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yea the sarcasm I posted with didnt come thru to your screen then
Haha, neither did mine.
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: libertaire]
#12149217 - 03/05/10 02:59 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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libertaire said: Well, despite the doubts that some people had, it looks like this poll has served it's purpose. There is definitely strong anecdotal evidence for PE's potency. 93% of people who have grown PE said it was some variation of more potent than average. That seems pretty conclusive to me.
Also, look at the shape of the B+ results; that's a sweet bell curve, centered on "normal".
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: Doc_T]
#12151066 - 03/05/10 09:43 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yea, that's definitely interesting as well. Didn't expect that one.
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: libertaire]
#12281810 - 03/27/10 09:25 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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75% of people don't isolate for potency...
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: Doc_T]
#12913359 - 07/17/10 09:09 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Anecdotal bump: some FOAFs were asking about some PE that went out for bioassay months ago. No more of them, sadly. I fumbled and lost the culture.
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: Jiggle]
#12913599 - 07/17/10 10:33 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Jiggle said: It's kind of biased from the start seeing as everywhere you go people are screaming about PE potency, so even people who haven't tried the strain would most likely say PE is better than avg. I think people just like dicks, but who doesn't they look cool.
I'd like to point out that every type of cube I have tried has been the same. I test this out by eating 1.5gs which would give me a light body sensation. If I eat 3g's I will have a short attention span along with
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: Doc_T]
#13098945 - 08/25/10 07:57 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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200 vote bump- the poll seems to have worked. PE seems to be more potent as far as the community is concerned. It's unlikely to be hype, since we've all been hyped before. "Dude, this is the best ever!!" tells me it's not.
So it certainly seems that potency is in part genetic and it is something that could be selected for.
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: Doc_T]
#13098956 - 08/25/10 08:05 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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now if only we could come up with an objective potency test that doesn't require extraction.
I like the idea of administering very small doses via lemon tek and then measuring the time it takes for visuals to occur. like maybe you make some kind of optical illusion on a piece of paper and the subject looks at it until it starts moving. Or maybe subject closes eyes and listens to music and you measure the time it takes for onset of visuals. Or something along these lines.
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: anonjon]
#13098964 - 08/25/10 08:09 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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anonjon said: now if only we could come up with an objective potency test that doesn't require extraction.
As I argued many times in the thread this poll is designed for, and in fact have proven with this poll, we don't need that at all. It's nice that you think we do- but please don't confuse your preconceptions with the actual practice of collecting data.
Off topic in this thread anyway, this belongs over in the Potency Project thread.
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: Doc_T]
#13098981 - 08/25/10 08:16 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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As I argued many times in the thread this poll is designed for, and in fact have proven with this poll, we don't need that at all. It's nice that you think we do- but please don't confuse your preconceptions with the actual practice of collecting data.
Off topic in this thread anyway, this belongs over in the Potency Project thread.
Huh?
You said "75% of people don't isolate for potency... "
You are suggesting that 25 percent of people do? I won't say wut I think about that statistic. But I will ask, how are they supposedly isolating for potency? How are they measuring it?
I'm sorry if I don't place all my comments where you want me to. I'm hard to control like that.
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: anonjon]
#13098989 - 08/25/10 08:20 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm just trying to keep the thread from being locked.
75% don't isolate for potency. Those that do are self-reporting, I don't know how they measure it.
But I can tell you for example, my FOAFs prefer my Golden Teacher clones over my other strains, and ask for them by name. So if you had a population of users, you could compare A with B or 1 with 2, etc, and dial it in. One sample doesn't tell you much- 10 tells you a lot.
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: Doc_T]
#13099033 - 08/25/10 08:36 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Doc_T said: I'm just trying to keep the thread from being locked.
doh, my bad. i get it.
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: anonjon]
#13099058 - 08/25/10 08:49 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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But do you agree that statistical sampling gives a valid result?
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: Doc_T]
#13099129 - 08/25/10 09:07 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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well, i'm biased because I am completely convinced that pe is more potent by over 100%. Everyone i've ever given it to has said the same.
I do think the poll is valid, but it's based on anecdotal evidence because we simply have no method of measuring potency except anecdotally.
I think the 75% figure kinda gives a clue to the limits of the poll because I really can't believe that 25 percent of people are isolating for potency. Maybe they are selecting from two or three strains they've grown out, but i dunno if that counts.
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: anonjon]
#13099178 - 08/25/10 09:25 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Damn interesting results. Perhaps this will help towards lifting the ban on discussion of strains, since this proves, at least anecdotally that potency, in many people's minds the single most important factor of a strain, does indeed vary between strains. Now if only we can get our hands on a gas chromatography machine to quantitatively compare between strains. I wonder what ever happened to cloneufc's efforts.
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: libertaire]
#13099234 - 08/25/10 09:42 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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libertaire said: Damn interesting results. Perhaps this will help towards lifting the ban on discussion of strains,
Naw, this is pretty much a settled issue. You can see this in the other thread on the subject where you can read the mods discussing it amongst themselves. Doc had to ask for an exemption just to get this thread in. If we were to start comparing the potency of various commercial strains, they'd lock it up.
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: anonjon]
#13099255 - 08/25/10 09:54 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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well, i'm biased because I am completely convinced that pe is more potent by over 100%. Everyone i've ever given it to has said the same.
I do think the poll is valid, but it's based on anecdotal evidence because we simply have no method of measuring potency except anecdotally.
Agreed, and if it were one or two anecdotes, that would be useless. But you and me and your friends and mine all liked the PE. And a hundred other people here, which translates into probably 1,000 individual doses. (wild-ass guess)
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: anonjon]
#13101700 - 08/25/10 06:32 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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libertaire said: Damn interesting results. Perhaps this will help towards lifting the ban on discussion of strains,
Naw, this is pretty much a settled issue. You can see this in the other thread on the subject where you can read the mods discussing it amongst themselves. Doc had to ask for an exemption just to get this thread in. If we were to start comparing the potency of various commercial strains, they'd lock it up.
Which thread is that?
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: libertaire]
#13101833 - 08/25/10 06:56 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: Doc_T]
#13141439 - 09/03/10 02:15 AM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Doc_T said: Agreed, and if it were one or two anecdotes, that would be useless. But you and me and your friends and mine all liked the PE. And a hundred other people here, which translates into probably 1,000 individual doses. (wild-ass guess)
Well, it looks like in the end, the Poll won. I didn't want it to win, but it did.
I wanted a full-on, totally objective, community-wide extraction team like discussed in the Potency Project, but that never happened. No one has a GS machine, or its too expensive, too complicated, or too unorganized to do it.
So, I guess I will just have to settle for this anecdotal poll that I thought was badly worded (sorry Doc_T, just an opinion, like this poll).
At least this got some results, unlike that damn dead-in-the-water Potency Extraction project.
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#13141546 - 09/03/10 03:33 AM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks for the comments. It's not like extraction can't happen, maybe this poll will inspire somebody to get the equipment.
Feel free to improve on the poll if you like. I never said it was perfect, just usable.
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: Doc_T]
#13153751 - 09/06/10 02:28 AM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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No prob Doc_T. I try to provide comments where ever I think they will help or provide thought.
Speaking of comments, I just wanted to apologize for criticizing your wording in your questions when I made this early post. I stil feel guilt saying it. I had no right to totally bash your poll. I'm sorry for saying what I said.
But I am going to leave that post as-is, because I like to look back on the things I said, and say "What the hell was I thinking? Why was I such an asshole?". I dont believe posts should be edited a lot, because it ruins that moment of thought when you wrote it. So, its staying, but only as a reminder that I can be a mean person sometimes, and I am try to change that and be more respectful of others opinions and work. As with most things in life, its a process....
As for improving it, do you mean I can add my own questions, or suggest to you to add more questions to the OP? Or both?
I guess I would just add to questions that I think would be helpful & provide a little better picture of PE potency, at least on the personal experience level.
Here's 2 questions, in Poll form. I think these 2 would go best if they were after the first question in your original poll (if you want to edit them in):
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#13154031 - 09/06/10 06:33 AM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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This would be better in a separate thread.
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: Doc_T]
#13154098 - 09/06/10 07:22 AM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Doc_T said: This would be better in a separate thread.
except that it would get .
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: anonjon]
#13154115 - 09/06/10 07:29 AM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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I just didn't want to have to use my thread explaining that the guy has constructed a faulty poll. He's set up the question so there can only be one answer- since there is no *confirmatory body* for mushrooms like the AKC for dogs, the only correct answer to both is "never".
If the guy didn't notice, he's neither a skilled pollster nor logician. If he did it on purpose, he's a prick.
Either way, it can go in another thread. Doesn't have to be in Mush Cult. A new poll would give him a chance to add a STAL option as well, as required by Shroomery standards.
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: Doc_T]
#13154780 - 09/06/10 11:38 AM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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 YEaH!
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: Doc_T]
#13175485 - 09/10/10 02:14 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Doc_T said: I just didn't want to have to use my thread explaining that the guy has constructed a faulty poll. He's set up the question so there can only be one answer- since there is no *confirmatory body* for mushrooms like the AKC for dogs, the only correct answer to both is "never".
If the guy didn't notice, he's neither a skilled pollster nor logician. If he did it on purpose, he's a prick.
Either way, it can go in another thread. Doesn't have to be in Mush Cult. A new poll would give him a chance to add a STAL option as well, as required by Shroomery standards.
Yeah, ya totally lost me. What are you referring to specifically?
Who has the faulty poll? (not being sarcastic, just curious)
And why do you keep saying "the guy" & "he". Why not call him out by his name? Who are you talking about?
I think those questions that I put are important for this thread because with more experience (aka more times eating one type of mushroom), the better experience you have with that mushroom, therefore a better "sample" of the true potency.
For example, if you tried PE once, it could have been the super-dank, ultra-potent batch. But if you've tried say 5 times, you might get variety, therefore you get a better idea of the "standard" potency, or the average.
Just something to think about. It could help in deterimining a correlation between experienced PE users & the real potency of the mushroom.
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#13176035 - 09/10/10 04:07 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said: And why do you keep saying "the guy" & "he". Why not call him out by his name? Who are you talking about?
Pretty sure he means you.
Btw, wtf is STAL?
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: anonjon]
#13176052 - 09/10/10 04:10 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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It is for someone called sir tokes a lot(STAL) its basiclly an option saying "I dont give a fuck" or "this poll has no relevance for me"
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: anonjon]
#13176103 - 09/10/10 04:19 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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i use it to see the results without affecting the poll.
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: awakendone]
#13227170 - 09/21/10 01:58 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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My friend who has eaten more strains than I have says PE is his favorite because it gives more visuals, Although there are still more strains we need to try these are the top on the list:
Oak ridge Lizard King KOH and KOH SS
those are the 3 that may be comparable to PE, not entirely sure, but i heard they are pretty good strains. i have an oak ridge print.
i'd love to get a Psilocybe Quebecensis sample and get some spores going around from that. i'm about 10 hour drive from where they are. the Vallee de Jacques Cartier 20 minute drive North of Quebec city, is where they have been found.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybe_quebecensis "This is the most northern known psilocybin mushroom"
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: stonesun]
#13296984 - 10/06/10 01:39 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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I loved that I actually guessed correctly with STAL - I chose, then decided to google it for urban dictionary. I would have chosen that one anyway
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