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truskool
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: libertaire]
#12148078 - 03/05/10 11:49 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: truskool]
#12148112 - 03/05/10 11:55 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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No.
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: libertaire]
#12148156 - 03/05/10 12:02 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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No.
Yea the sarcasm I posted with didnt come thru to your screen then
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: truskool]
#12148167 - 03/05/10 12:04 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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No.
Yea the sarcasm I posted with didnt come thru to your screen then
Haha, neither did mine.
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: libertaire]
#12149217 - 03/05/10 02:59 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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libertaire said: Well, despite the doubts that some people had, it looks like this poll has served it's purpose. There is definitely strong anecdotal evidence for PE's potency. 93% of people who have grown PE said it was some variation of more potent than average. That seems pretty conclusive to me.
Also, look at the shape of the B+ results; that's a sweet bell curve, centered on "normal".
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: Doc_T]
#12151066 - 03/05/10 09:43 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yea, that's definitely interesting as well. Didn't expect that one.
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: libertaire]
#12281810 - 03/27/10 09:25 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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75% of people don't isolate for potency...
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: Doc_T]
#12913359 - 07/17/10 09:09 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Anecdotal bump: some FOAFs were asking about some PE that went out for bioassay months ago. No more of them, sadly. I fumbled and lost the culture.
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: Jiggle]
#12913599 - 07/17/10 10:33 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Jiggle said: It's kind of biased from the start seeing as everywhere you go people are screaming about PE potency, so even people who haven't tried the strain would most likely say PE is better than avg. I think people just like dicks, but who doesn't they look cool.
I'd like to point out that every type of cube I have tried has been the same. I test this out by eating 1.5gs which would give me a light body sensation. If I eat 3g's I will have a short attention span along with
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: Doc_T]
#13098945 - 08/25/10 07:57 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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200 vote bump- the poll seems to have worked. PE seems to be more potent as far as the community is concerned. It's unlikely to be hype, since we've all been hyped before. "Dude, this is the best ever!!" tells me it's not.
So it certainly seems that potency is in part genetic and it is something that could be selected for.
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: Doc_T]
#13098956 - 08/25/10 08:05 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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now if only we could come up with an objective potency test that doesn't require extraction.
I like the idea of administering very small doses via lemon tek and then measuring the time it takes for visuals to occur. like maybe you make some kind of optical illusion on a piece of paper and the subject looks at it until it starts moving. Or maybe subject closes eyes and listens to music and you measure the time it takes for onset of visuals. Or something along these lines.
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: anonjon]
#13098964 - 08/25/10 08:09 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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anonjon said: now if only we could come up with an objective potency test that doesn't require extraction.
As I argued many times in the thread this poll is designed for, and in fact have proven with this poll, we don't need that at all. It's nice that you think we do- but please don't confuse your preconceptions with the actual practice of collecting data.
Off topic in this thread anyway, this belongs over in the Potency Project thread.
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: Doc_T]
#13098981 - 08/25/10 08:16 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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As I argued many times in the thread this poll is designed for, and in fact have proven with this poll, we don't need that at all. It's nice that you think we do- but please don't confuse your preconceptions with the actual practice of collecting data.
Off topic in this thread anyway, this belongs over in the Potency Project thread.
Huh?
You said "75% of people don't isolate for potency... "
You are suggesting that 25 percent of people do? I won't say wut I think about that statistic. But I will ask, how are they supposedly isolating for potency? How are they measuring it?
I'm sorry if I don't place all my comments where you want me to. I'm hard to control like that.
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: anonjon]
#13098989 - 08/25/10 08:20 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm just trying to keep the thread from being locked.
75% don't isolate for potency. Those that do are self-reporting, I don't know how they measure it.
But I can tell you for example, my FOAFs prefer my Golden Teacher clones over my other strains, and ask for them by name. So if you had a population of users, you could compare A with B or 1 with 2, etc, and dial it in. One sample doesn't tell you much- 10 tells you a lot.
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: Doc_T]
#13099033 - 08/25/10 08:36 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Doc_T said: I'm just trying to keep the thread from being locked.
doh, my bad. i get it.
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: anonjon]
#13099058 - 08/25/10 08:49 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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But do you agree that statistical sampling gives a valid result?
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: Doc_T]
#13099129 - 08/25/10 09:07 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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well, i'm biased because I am completely convinced that pe is more potent by over 100%. Everyone i've ever given it to has said the same.
I do think the poll is valid, but it's based on anecdotal evidence because we simply have no method of measuring potency except anecdotally.
I think the 75% figure kinda gives a clue to the limits of the poll because I really can't believe that 25 percent of people are isolating for potency. Maybe they are selecting from two or three strains they've grown out, but i dunno if that counts.
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: anonjon]
#13099178 - 08/25/10 09:25 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Damn interesting results. Perhaps this will help towards lifting the ban on discussion of strains, since this proves, at least anecdotally that potency, in many people's minds the single most important factor of a strain, does indeed vary between strains. Now if only we can get our hands on a gas chromatography machine to quantitatively compare between strains. I wonder what ever happened to cloneufc's efforts.
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: libertaire]
#13099234 - 08/25/10 09:42 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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libertaire said: Damn interesting results. Perhaps this will help towards lifting the ban on discussion of strains,
Naw, this is pretty much a settled issue. You can see this in the other thread on the subject where you can read the mods discussing it amongst themselves. Doc had to ask for an exemption just to get this thread in. If we were to start comparing the potency of various commercial strains, they'd lock it up.
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: anonjon]
#13099255 - 08/25/10 09:54 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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well, i'm biased because I am completely convinced that pe is more potent by over 100%. Everyone i've ever given it to has said the same.
I do think the poll is valid, but it's based on anecdotal evidence because we simply have no method of measuring potency except anecdotally.
Agreed, and if it were one or two anecdotes, that would be useless. But you and me and your friends and mine all liked the PE. And a hundred other people here, which translates into probably 1,000 individual doses. (wild-ass guess)
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