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Alabama Slim
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LogicaL Chaos
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: Jiggle]
#11860935 - 01/19/10 04:59 PM (14 years, 11 days ago) |
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Jiggle said: It's kind of biased from the start seeing as everywhere you go people are screaming about PE potency, so even people who haven't tried the strain would most likely say PE is better than avg. I think people just like dicks, but who doesn't they look cool.
Whaaaa...I always thought dongs look kinda ugly, especially the blue veiny ones that are still uncircumsized. Nasty....
But your right about the bias of this pole. Come to think about it, this post should of just been called something more general, without mentioning PE in the title. That could already be putting unnessary assumptions and perspections about PE that could influence their answers. One example is the order of your answers: the first answer says "PE is More potent than B+" could affect the answers of people voting.Comforming is a powerful sociological force that will *tend* to give answers that other people do, or the answers that other people "want" them to put.
I think the poll should of been more general like: "Mushroom Tripper Poll: Which cube varitety do you think is most potent?".
Hey, doc_t, do you mind if I make my own Poll thread for The Potency Project that's an improved version of yours? Would you get madd? We're cool right? I mean, I think Boxxxy should be the next president, because she's smart and stuff. 
Its in the making... ~ LogicaL Chaos ~
Edited by LogicaL Chaos (01/19/10 05:09 PM)
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Alabama Slim
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13shrooms
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: Alabama Slim]
#11860957 - 01/19/10 05:04 PM (14 years, 11 days ago) |
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Damion5050
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: 13shrooms]
#11860966 - 01/19/10 05:05 PM (14 years, 11 days ago) |
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Whatupfool12
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: Alabama Slim]
#11861003 - 01/19/10 05:10 PM (14 years, 11 days ago) |
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Alabama Slim said: PE is hands down strongest, fattest, nastiest, smelliest strain of all cubes. PEU I've found to be identical in most ways except for it being sometimes uncircumcised.
A smelly, meaty circumcised penis mushroom. Now that's nasty to even picture what it tastes like.
Gotta luv the PE
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RogerRabbit
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#11861025 - 01/19/10 05:14 PM (14 years, 11 days ago) |
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This needs to be the very last strain thread. I'm locking any more that pop up. We let Cervantes strain thread slide, and it's spawned all these, just as I was afraid would happen. I won't make that mistake again. The problem is it fools noobs into thinking the name on the print actually makes a shit. PE tends to look different, and that appearance carries over even when grown from spores. However, PE also generates lots of low potency strains, just like any other cube, which it is.
Only a pure, single sector isolate deserves to be called a strain.
If anyone tried to print a shiitake or oyster, etc., and sell the spores to commercial growers as a strain, they'd get laughed out of the community for being a dumbass. Obviously, you have to isolate if you want to find the best performing strains, and it doesn't matter the name somebody wrote on the print you isolate from. Cubes are cubes. RR
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Doc_T
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: RogerRabbit]
#11861048 - 01/19/10 05:17 PM (14 years, 11 days ago) |
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This needs to be the very last strain thread
I tried really hard to have it not be one- read the first post. I specifically asked everybody to keep strain discussion in the thread that you allowed.
RR, if it's possible to lock this but leave the poll open, please do so!  Apparently that's not possible, we'll just have to behave in this thread. No strain discussion. And since I can't edit the poll questions- no poll discussion, please. Which leaves us very little to talk about.
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Alabama Slim
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13shrooms
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: Alabama Slim]
#11861162 - 01/19/10 05:32 PM (14 years, 11 days ago) |
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hey doc_T, why didnt you make this in the poll forum and just link it in the PE = potant as hell thread?
with all the billions of repeat questions that are posted everyday this realy shouldnt have been a prob IMO but Im not a mod.
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Doc_T
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: 13shrooms]
#11861197 - 01/19/10 05:38 PM (14 years, 11 days ago) |
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Didn't think of it.
I really wanted the Mush Cult crowd to vote on it, but I didn't even think about which forum to put the actual post in.
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CoolNameHere
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: Doc_T]
#11863543 - 01/20/10 12:13 AM (14 years, 11 days ago) |
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Such high tension for a simple post... I like that Doc ended on that question. I agree you don't need to add immaturity to serious subjects but without a little humor at least a quater of the post on this site wouldn't exist. Gotta find joy in everything you do, especially if it's your hobby. But, IDK IMHO WTFC?
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libertaire
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: CoolNameHere]
#11864030 - 01/20/10 04:30 AM (14 years, 10 days ago) |
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I don't really understand why strain discussion is not allowed. Most people understand by now that when we say strain, we really mean a genetic lineage that originated from one initial specimen. I mean, technically, if you're interbreeding a mushroom with itself, and make sure that the mushroom breeds with no one but itself for the duration of it being called that "strain", why would that not be an accurate description? It's the genetics of one single specimen that, while certain variations may occur from the original specimen from time to time, contains the same exact genetic pool as it's parents did. Whether those specific genetic attributes that it's parents expressed initially are being expressed in one particular specimen from that genetic line or not seems completely irrelevant to me. On the other hand, if people were to go around calling a strain an isolate, then I could see there being a problem, because isolate is a much more specific word, but to my understanding, strain is general enough to be accurate.
In any case, like I said, prohibiting discussion of one topic or another, especially one that is trying to be discussed and approached in a scientific manner, seems pretty silly to me. It's not like this is another thread that's like "Yo dude, how do I grow more potent shooomz?", we're trying to settle the myths and non-myths that have been floating around for sometime now with out being put to the test. That's something that should be welcome, not discouraged.
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Doc_T
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: libertaire]
#11864284 - 01/20/10 07:18 AM (14 years, 10 days ago) |
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I don't really understand why strain discussion is not allowed.
Because it's pointless. We can go on and on, but never resolve much of anything. And noobs end up thinking the name on the syringe means something, when it's the breeding history that is significant.
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It's not like this is another thread that's like "Yo dude, how do I grow more potent shooomz?",
It'll end up that way if we keep going. Somebody will bring up tryptamine sooner or later, for example.
So we abide by this rule. I'd like to see a Sub-Strain Sub-Forum, but that ain't happenin' either.
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CoolNameHere
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: Doc_T]
#11864369 - 01/20/10 08:02 AM (14 years, 10 days ago) |
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Sooooo... whatchyousayin iz if I addz some... some... tryptamine I can can get some killer shroomz? Like, what if I add grease from my turkey, will that work?
Sorry, I shouldn't make jokes I do ask some dumbass questions too.
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libertaire
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: Doc_T]
#11864664 - 01/20/10 09:35 AM (14 years, 10 days ago) |
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Doc_T said:
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I don't really understand why strain discussion is not allowed.
Because it's pointless. We can go on and on, but never resolve much of anything. And noobs end up thinking the name on the syringe means something, when it's the breeding history that is significant.
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It's not like this is another thread that's like "Yo dude, how do I grow more potent shooomz?",
It'll end up that way if we keep going. Somebody will bring up tryptamine sooner or later, for example.
So we abide by this rule. I'd like to see a Sub-Strain Sub-Forum, but that ain't happenin' either.
But the only thing that I would consider strain discussion that's going on in this thread is straight up "What was your experience with this strain.", which is not some sort of conjecture based discussion on how we can make our mushrooms more potent using questionable techniques, but a legitimate inquiry into people's direct experience, which is a good place to start when you're trying to gather reliable information. (Although anecdotal information is obviously never enough on it's own.) But this sort of strain discussion does not seem pointless to me, it seems very important in understanding things that we currently don't. Why would that be discouraged?
I agree that the term strain is questionable in it's exact meaning, at least around here, which is unfortunate, but I think that the more we discuss it, the more we'll be able to get an understanding and agreement of what exactly it is. Basically my main question is this: Why is a discussion that will eventually lead to a better understanding in general being discouraged?
I second the idea for a strain/sub-strain forum, but don't think it should be called that. I think it would be better to have a race/lineage forum for all of the "strains" that have questionable histories and display a large variety of attributes from one multispore grow to the next, and a strain/isolate forum for "strains" that show fairly consistent attributes from one multispore grow to the next, such as PE or any other isolates that people may create themselves. (Why that hasn't happened yet is beyond me.)
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LivioDoubleFang
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: libertaire]
#12030416 - 02/14/10 09:01 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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nice poll, hope i can take my competent status and turn it into grand master
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libertaire
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: LivioDoubleFang]
#12147929 - 03/05/10 11:24 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well, despite the doubts that some people had, it looks like this poll has served it's purpose. There is definitely strong anecdotal evidence for PE's potency. 93% of people who have grown PE said it was some variation of more potent than average. That seems pretty conclusive to me.
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Railrider
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: libertaire]
#12148009 - 03/05/10 11:37 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Has there ever been tests to see if P.E. has different psychoactive compounds in it aside from peoples trip reports?I just feel that it gives a different buzz from start to finish
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libertaire
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Re: Preliminary (possibly pointless) PE Potency plus Popularity Poll, peeps! [Re: Railrider]
#12148031 - 03/05/10 11:42 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Railrider said: Has there ever been tests to see if P.E. has different psychoactive compounds in it aside from peoples trip reports?I just feel that it gives a different buzz from start to finish 
Not yet, but we're working on it.
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