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OfflineTBTVox
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Will fly-over thermal scans reveal a mushroom operation?
    #11844066 - 01/16/10 09:51 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Just curious...and correct any assumption I make...

Mycelium produces a small amount of heat, correct?  If a person was growing several tubs, or several dozen, would that heat be enough to register if law enforcement did a fly over with a scanner?  Or does this really only apply to pot plants?

Thanks, but please only answer if you KNOW.

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Re: Will fly-over thermal scans reveal a mushroom operation? [Re: TBTVox]
    #11844071 - 01/16/10 09:53 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Dont worry, and yes I know. Technically any light or heat they detect they claim is leaked, lol, but whatever bullshit you need to say to justify oneself, no they aint looking for anything less than 80 degrees.  Then again, most of the time they are looking for entire rooms at that temp. indicating large operations.  Your tubes of BRF and WBS do not put off heat in the light spectra that they are detecting.


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Re: Will fly-over thermal scans reveal a mushroom operation? [Re: Unparalized]
    #11844137 - 01/16/10 10:04 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah. Ever notice all the busts you see on TV from the helicopters flying over are for entire-room or multi-room operations? And all for weed, too. The type of light used to grow mushrooms is too low to worry about, and the heat the mycelium creates is something even less to worry about.

Large pot operations make such an immense amount of indoor heat that it's easy to spot with a thermal cam. Simply not the case with mushrooms. Grow on, my friend!


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Re: Will fly-over thermal scans reveal a mushroom operation? [Re: Trim]
    #11844335 - 01/16/10 10:39 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

It's the massive lighting systems that they detected, not the weed itself.


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Re: Will fly-over thermal scans reveal a mushroom operation? [Re: Spongiform]
    #11844561 - 01/16/10 11:18 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Yea, I personally have never seen anything about a pure mushroom bust. Whenever I see shroom bust it's because they found them when they busted a marijuana grow op.

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Re: Will fly-over thermal scans reveal a mushroom operation? [Re: demonkinsin]
    #11844708 - 01/16/10 11:46 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Ahh I love when someone ask a question related to marijuana growing.

Im a noob at shroomery, but at plants im pro :laugh:

Thermal detection cameras scan the surface of houses, looking for a noticeably high temperature range (usually 80+). Contrary to popular belief, theyre not really looking for rooms that are specifically heated, but rather theyre looking for places where hot air is ejected. These small exhaustings from the house are essential to cultivating marijuana, as a constant supply of fresh moving air is needed, and hot air must be moved away from the plants.

I cant imagine mycelium heating up a room that much, but even if it could, unless your exhausting hot air out of that room, the chances of it being detected would be very slim.

Also, thermal imaging is nowhere near as common as you may think it is. The most common things that lead to grow houses being busted are people who dont know how to shut the fuck up, and smell (that oh so great smell).


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Re: Will fly-over thermal scans reveal a mushroom operation? [Re: Kysmoker]
    #11844801 - 01/17/10 12:08 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Thermal cameras, no.

But backscatter cameras operated from vans, yes. They can see through walls.

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Re: Will fly-over thermal scans reveal a mushroom operation? [Re: moldem]
    #11844824 - 01/17/10 12:14 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I can't begin to imagine how much mycelium you would have to be growing in a small room to heat it up enough for thermal imaging to become a problem. It would be a huge amount though.

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Re: Will fly-over thermal scans reveal a mushroom operation? [Re: moldem]
    #11844839 - 01/17/10 12:17 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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moldem said:
Thermal cameras, no.

But backscatter cameras operated from vans, yes. They can see through walls.



:lolsy:

Just incase you werent joking, its illegal for cops to try to "look through walls" lol. That was decided by the supreme court.


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Re: Will fly-over thermal scans reveal a mushroom operation? [Re: Kysmoker]
    #11845095 - 01/17/10 01:21 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Plus they need a warrant to run the FLIR on your home. Also if you are growing pot, new LED lights are available. I always thought the FLIR could detect the HPS element or the MH element which gets much hotter then 80 F. Guess I was wrong. If this is the case, it would be very very very very very easy to spread the head throughout the house and make it look like a central heating system. Or you could take the heat and cool it or passively spread the heat, etc.

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Re: Will fly-over thermal scans reveal a mushroom operation? [Re: Kysmoker]
    #11846851 - 01/17/10 12:20 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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Kysmoker said:
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moldem said:
Thermal cameras, no.

But backscatter cameras operated from vans, yes. They can see through walls.



:lolsy:

Just incase you werent joking, its illegal for cops to try to "look through walls" lol. That was decided by the supreme court.




Incase you didn't realize that we now live in tyranny, constitutional rights do not count anymore. They have been covertly using this technology for years.

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Re: Will fly-over thermal scans reveal a mushroom operation? [Re: moldem]
    #11847023 - 01/17/10 12:59 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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moldem said:
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Kysmoker said:
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moldem said:
Thermal cameras, no.

But backscatter cameras operated from vans, yes. They can see through walls.



:lolsy:

Just incase you werent joking, its illegal for cops to try to "look through walls" lol. That was decided by the supreme court.




Incase you didn't realize that we now live in tyranny, constitutional rights do not count anymore. They have been covertly using this technology for years.




This really isnt a problem to mushroom growers, and to be caught growing weed something else has to give you away before they scan you with anything. Feds arent going to just drive down random roads scanning houses. It would be more of a "deal-sealer" than anything.

Best way to have successful grow ops? Shutup about it until it's dismantled. Even then, loose lips sink ships. I love that line. =]


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Re: Will fly-over thermal scans reveal a mushroom operation? [Re: Trim]
    #11847068 - 01/17/10 01:09 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

If you have a bird in a cage, it puts off a far larger IR signature than your mushrooms will, as does your refrigerator, any room with a light, your dog, cat, etc.  There's other things to worry about, but IR imaging isn't one of them.
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Re: Will fly-over thermal scans reveal a mushroom operation? [Re: iluvfungi]
    #11847189 - 01/17/10 01:32 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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Plus they need a warrant to run the FLIR on your home. Also if you are growing pot, new LED lights are available. I always thought the FLIR could detect the HPS element or the MH element which gets much hotter then 80 F. Guess I was wrong. If this is the case, it would be very very very very very easy to spread the head throughout the house and make it look like a central heating system. Or you could take the heat and cool it or passively spread the heat, etc.




Im not so sure they need a warrant for FLIR

LED lights are a highly heated debate in the pot growing community, but the general consensus is theyre not worth the money. To even come close to matching MH/HPS lights, theyre wattage usually has to be very close, or in some cases above what the HID lights are using. Theyre are some videos of people testing LED lights, but most of these are from people who sell them lol. The home test ive seen on grasscity and other sites definitely seem to show them under par compared to HID.

HID dont produce any special element, they simply take up alot electricity and discharge it, producing ALOT of light and heat. Common methods on exhausting hot air is through a dryer vent or chimney, that way it would look natural to FLIR.

Ofcourse, if you live in a small back of the woods place you usually dont have to worry about this shit =) My community has 1 helicopter, that they borrow from a neighbor county, and thats usually to get people to hospital in emergencies :laugh:


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She's standing in the ashes at the end of the world
Four winds blowing through her hair

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Edited by Kysmoker (01/17/10 01:33 PM)

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Re: Will fly-over thermal scans reveal a mushroom operation? [Re: moldem]
    #11847207 - 01/17/10 01:35 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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moldem said:
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Kysmoker said:
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moldem said:
Thermal cameras, no.

But backscatter cameras operated from vans, yes. They can see through walls.



:lolsy:

Just incase you werent joking, its illegal for cops to try to "look through walls" lol. That was decided by the supreme court.




Incase you didn't realize that we now live in tyranny, constitutional rights do not count anymore. They have been covertly using this technology for years.




I agree that cops dont always follow rules to a T, but I think your a little over paranoid man lol. Cops, in general, do have to follow the law. Theyre a few grey areas they can slide around and work with, but if they go around blatantly disregarding the law theyre bound to get in trouble =P


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There's people always dying trying to keep them alive
There are bodies decomposing in containers tonight
In an abandoned building where
A squatter's made a mural of a Mexican girl
With fifteen cans of spray paint in a chemical swirl
She's standing in the ashes at the end of the world
Four winds blowing through her hair

-Four Winds by Bright Eyes

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Re: Will fly-over thermal scans reveal a mushroom operation? [Re: Kysmoker]
    #11849390 - 01/17/10 08:16 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I know that the fire departments have these heat registering cameras and they can pick up a foot print from someone walking. And I know that they have gone around town focusing it on houses, legal no, fun to just fuck around yes. But don't think that they don't use the toys they have, they just don't always follow up because they don't want to have to explain how they got the info. I once worked as a volunteer firefighter so thats how I know this. It was about 12 years ago so I can only imagine the toys they have now. MYK

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