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Re: A word about Contams [Re: Crumpet]
    #18160360 - 04/24/13 12:35 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Some say you should smell your cake to see if it has that "Fresh Mushroom Smell". Would you guys still recommend this, even if things seem perfect visibly?


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Re: A word about Contams [Re: TripleB]
    #18160390 - 04/24/13 12:42 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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yeh, wut Dobie said, DO NOT SNIFF THE MOLDS OR ANYTHING THAT IS CONTAMINATED!!!!  i didnt believe anyone when they told me, i sniffed, and immediately it tingled the hell outta my nose and i knew i was gonna get sick, i was sick for 7 days STRAIGHT and i never, i mean NEVER get sick, maybe once every 3 years i get sick, but i got sick from sniffing the green nasties... PLEASE HOLD YURSELF BACK NO MATTER WHAT TEMPTATION!!!!!!!! just a warning to all newbs!!! cuz i too, am a newb




I sniffed a moldy birthed cake as I wasn't sure if it was bruising
It smelled sour+moldy
Was sick for 1-2 weeks, throat pain, ears stuffed, couldn't swallow or breathe too good
Got sick from the shrooms as well, high fewer, many stomach problems for 1-2 days, very watery eyes, trouble breathing in the trip(like being strangled)

the trouble breathing lasted 2-3 weeks, and the stuffed nose,ears,throat too

NEVER sniff cakes, except when taking them out of the jars and they look 100% colonized, but even therre it can be a risk (bacteria  can be in even if 100% colonized sometimes, or inside can be moldy)

* maybe my drying method wasn't right.... had stored them wet in the fridge for some days, and probably hadn't washed hands when picking them, so I guess it is my own fault, got pretty damn sick
now I should start wearing gloves always

I got sick each time from those cakes(also when drying the fruits)... never before
and they smelled moldy/sour, the whole sgfc smelled sour/moldy , but the cakes looked 100% colonized

tossed them, I think it was bacteria, because they were 100% colonized
just smelled sour when opening the jars (thought it was the honey LC)


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Re: A word about Contams [Re: lessismore]
    #18160445 - 04/24/13 12:57 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

My nose did hurt after sniffing the sour cakes as well right after opening the jars

And it lasted a while, but I still sniff them

Now I just take precautions with antibiotic agar to make sure the stuff is clean of contams (can never know with biopsy -> LC , only with agar -> LC)

Biopsy in theory transfers bacteria into the LC if present, I think?


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Re: A word about Contams [Re: lessismore]
    #18164240 - 04/25/13 01:16 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Smelling your cultures is standard practice in microbiology, unless you're working with pathogenic species.

Bacteria that grow at room temp on BFR or rye do NOT grow in the human body and the odds of them being pathogenic are way to remote to worry about.

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I sniffed a moldy birthed cake as I wasn't sure if it was bruising
It smelled sour+moldy
Was sick for 1-2 weeks, throat pain, ears stuffed, couldn't swallow or breathe too good
Got sick from the shrooms as well, high fewer, many stomach problems for 1-2 days, very watery eyes, trouble breathing in the trip(like being strangled)




You are a very suggestible individual then.

It's important to avoid giving reports like this more credit than they deserve.  About 5% of the population are clinical hypochondriacs.  And somewhere between 30-70% of docotors visits are caused by psychosomatic (all in your head) illnesses.

I'm not saying you're are a full blown hypochondriac, but given the placebo effect (about 35%), the large number of psychosomatic illnesses (20-70%), all combined with the very real effects of an unpleasant smell... and you have a very potent combination for developing symptoms that are almost certainly unrelated to the exposure.


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Re: A word about Contams [Re: fastfred]
    #18165285 - 04/25/13 10:34 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Well I wasn't really sick after it, I just felt kinda sick for a while after it, my throat, nose and ears were stuffed for a while (couldn't swallow too good)... (no problem before that)

Got very sick in the trip though each time with those shrooms from those cakes

But didn't dry properly and didn't store them properly (stored for too long in refridgerator/improper handling)

Trust me, you know when you get really sick from food poisoning or whatever it was (got high fewer and trouble breathing + diarria for a day etc)

It could probably have been avoided, shouldn't be possible if drying 100%
but I ate them fresh (after them having layed around for a while)
(and the other time I didn't get them cracker-dry as mentioned)

Then there is also the method of consumption, shrooms don't agree with me when eating them raw sometimes, get pretty sick (very watery eyes,gas,trouble beathing,nausea,very dizzy etc)
but no sickness/dizzyness when eating them as chocolates
So impossible to know what is psychiologically and physical when tripping.. :smile:

Now I am being careful with possibly contamed cakes, those cakes smelled sour all of them(but 100% colonized)
I don't have much understanding of biology, but my guess would be it was bacteria in it somehow? (used biopsy -> honey LC -> pftek cakes , used plenty of inoculate , so that could probably smell sweet/sour too?)

The whole SGFC smelled sour+moldy , even though the cakes looked 100% colonized,and the shrooms smelled bad too
They only flushed once too, and didn't produce many mushrooms (had RH drop.. so that could explain it!)
When I crumbled the cakes I couldn't see any contams... looked 100% colonized
but smelled bad, my nose hurt after smelling it again

Some of the jars smelled so sour(almost rotten) that it could be smelled a few feet away from the jars (the large jars), but they still colonized

Got very sick from just 2grams of those shrooms dry (but apparently not cracker dry)

My understanding is that bacteria is only a problem if mishandling the mushrooms/improper drying , which I did


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Re: A word about Contams [Re: lessismore]
    #18165410 - 04/25/13 11:09 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Did a lot of things wrong that one time as you can see .. (#1 mistake in mycology, hurrying / being impatient ...)

So can only blame myself, but wouldn't use biopsy -> honey LC again
only agar


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Re: A word about Contams [Re: WildCardsRevenge]
    #18915726 - 10/01/13 01:31 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks such nice discuss with me. I hope other post same topic to be relevant of that thread.


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Re: A word about Contams [Re: Steellayes]
    #18946891 - 10/07/13 11:11 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

are this cakes contaminated








this are two cakes 3 pics of each cake


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Re: A word about Contams [Re: beatlebangboy]
    #19274703 - 12/14/13 03:10 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Ha I must learn from you. I as well am using a larger more expensive causing Tek. And also encountered contamination


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Re: A word about Contams [Re: WildCardsRevenge]
    #19678043 - 03/10/14 10:16 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

Please help!! So have had a cake fully colonized in fruit chamber. The cake was fruiting nice.. 5 days after pins an booms growin.. seen green contaminate. The cake has like 35 booms on it.. idk what to do.. just noticed..  any suggestions greatly appreciated. . I cut out contaminate with sterile knife..  wasn't contaminated inside just little on edge.. All cut off tho.. u think I'm OK? Or threw away?


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Re: A word about Contams [Re: tmoney420]
    #19680664 - 03/11/14 02:47 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

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I cut out contaminate with sterile knife..  wasn't contaminated inside just little on edge.



Assuming it was actually mold you scraped off the spores, which only form on the surface of the mold. The mold is still there. Best thing you can do if want that cake to keep fruiting is bury it outside and keep an eye out for mushrooms where you buried it in the future.

Much of this thread is loaded with BS but this part is definitely true "Green mold often works from the inside out so if your seeing green mold chances are its been growing inside your cake for a while now"


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Re: A word about Contams [Re: Kizzle]
    #19680709 - 03/11/14 03:06 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

toss any cakes that have mold in them, that is the general recommendation

the biggest risk is spread of spores inside when fanning and misting... get them out of the house

when you got a big bucket of cakes, go and bury them in a forest or such
they will probably do best if you shred them a bit over the place so they can spread, and if you add earth on top (so you don't get insects in them, insects/snails love eating pfcake nutrients..)

3-4 weeks or so later there should be shrooms if you bury outside in a shady spot, maybe earlier


cakes who are contamed rarely fruit, fruit early, if bacteria they fruit very little usually - and often weak fruits as the mycellium has tried to outgrow the bacteria or such(one hypothesis says), they have been weaker for me each time..
not worth birthing contamed cakes ever IMO, making cakes is so easy, takes 5mins

if you want to make cakes faster, make a LC, then it takes 14 days to colonize a pfcake or so, maybe even a little less (and only a week for a grain jar)


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Re: A word about Contams [Re: WildCardsRevenge]
    #20768476 - 10/29/14 05:16 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

  so this is my first crop and I was wondering..this is the blotch mold right? These are no good?


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Re: A word about Contams [Re: shroomship]
    #20774140 - 10/30/14 09:11 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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  so this is my first crop and I was wondering..this is the blotch mold right? These are no good?




I don't see anything wrong there.


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Re: A word about Contams [Re: Shu]
    #20774467 - 10/30/14 10:20 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Just looks like spores that has been messed around with to me :shrug:


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Re: A word about Contams [Re: Yerow]
    #20792951 - 11/04/14 06:06 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

looks like spores


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