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Even though I said I never would...
    #11759033 - 01/03/10 02:12 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

do another cycle I blew $200 on 10 weeks worth of sustanon.  I'm pretty happy where I'm at now physically, I can stand to gain around 15-20 more pounds of lean mass and sustain it calorically without being uncomfortable.  I'm an ectomorph so I will never be 240lbs... I can't eat that much.  At 185lbs I'm taking in 4-5k cals a day and that in of itself is a pain in the ass and costs a lot of $$. 

Anyways, this cycle will put me where I want to be, where I was before surgery and infection (long story).  I'm almost 30 too and already noticing a decline in libido compared to the early 20's... my wife seems to be on board but I'm not so sure.  I kicked the opiates and haven't even smoked weed in almost 2 weeks.  Got rid of the benzos and this is day 9 without a cigarette.

The ex addict in me feels like I'm replacing one drug with another since truly, being on high levels of testosterone is incredibly fucking amazing especially when you lift... the pumps are unreal and you just explode.  I already spent the money though and am now having second thoughts since I've been doing so well using way less drugs.

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Re: Even though I said I never would... [Re: 5HTSynaptrip]
    #11759172 - 01/03/10 02:35 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Drugs are bad, mm'kay?

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Re: Even though I said I never would... [Re: memes]
    #11759410 - 01/03/10 03:18 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Taking testosterone could hsve negative repercussions.

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Re: Even though I said I never would... [Re: lines]
    #11759489 - 01/03/10 03:36 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I know, I've done 3 cycles in the past and tbh blood work showed my test higher after than before.  With proper ancilliary medication you can have your HPTA rebound quickly.  The biggest mistake people make is not being educated about what to do after the cycle.  Besides, it's just testosterone so there isn't much shutdown of the HPGA (hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal axis).  I use human chorionic gonadotropin during cycles which mimics the same hormone that causes your body to produce testosterone so my testes in essence never shut-down.


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Re: Even though I said I never would... [Re: 5HTSynaptrip]
    #11759604 - 01/03/10 04:01 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

An easier way to raise testosterone levels is to avoid sex for awhile. Greek athletes would avoid sex for months prior to competition and Mohammed Ali the boxer would avoid sexual activity for about a month before each fight.

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    #11761122 - 01/03/10 08:22 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Even though I said I never would... [Re: dr_gonz]
    #11768786 - 01/05/10 06:54 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Well my source is awesome, been using him for a while and he even tossed in 2 vials of ketamine for free! :awebig:

There isn't much you can do to raise testosterone to appreciable levels.  Physically I've never heard of not having sex.  I do know that heavy compound lifting like deads and squats cause a rise in testosterone. 

There are some RC chems available that also can boost test if you're not at your highest natural potential.  You can take tamoxifen/clomiphene which are selective estrogen receptor modulators.  Clomiphene is what I use post cycle but they antagonize estrogen receptors and I don't remember the mechanism (3rd shift took ambien lolz) but it causes a release of leutenizing hormone which in turn causes test to be created.
You can also take an aromatase inhibitor, that's the enzyme that converts testosterone into estrogen(you need to read first before doing this as men need estrogen and too much of an AI can be bad so think dosage).

The best by far if you're under your potential or even hypogonadal is the hCG.  It's extracted from the urine of pregnant women by some companies but many now are using recombinant dna tech to secrete it from bacteria similarly to growth hormone and insulin.  hCG is a protein that keeps progesterone going in women during pregnancy but in men it acts just like leutenizing hormone and I believe somewhat like follicle stimulating hormone.  It acts directly on the leydig cells of the testes to create testosterone, from there testosterone acts as a ligand(messenger) to the sertoli cells and then sperm are made. 

So, it's actually used medically to treat hypogonadism and infertility issues.


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Re: Even though I said I never would... [Re: 5HTSynaptrip]
    #11784530 - 01/07/10 03:54 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

what's your training going to be like?


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Re: Even though I said I never would... [Re: 5HTSynaptrip]
    #11785694 - 01/07/10 07:05 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

hey dude you can replace those bad drugs with natural herbs and other techniques. Read what this guy did.
http://www.jostsauer.com/interact/

Oh and if you want to do steroids dont fuck with synthetic shit. let me give you a list of libido booster, adaptogen herbs to get you started. find out what suits you by researching into each one.

Tongkat Ali
Rhodiola
Ashwagandha
Eleuthero
Maral Root

Holy Basil (Tulsi)
Ginseng
Dang Shen
Jiaogulan
Tribulus Terrestris
Maca
Fo-Ti (He Shou Wu)

Suma
Mucuna pruriens
Horny Goat Weed

Yohimbine
Gotu Kola
Gingko Bilboa

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Re: Even though I said I never would... [Re: 5HTSynaptrip]
    #11785728 - 01/07/10 07:11 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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Well my source is awesome, been using him for a while and he even tossed in 2 vials of ketamine for free! :awebig:

There isn't much you can do to raise testosterone to appreciable levels.  Physically I've never heard of not having sex.  I do know that heavy compound lifting like deads and squats cause a rise in testosterone. 

There are some RC chems available that also can boost test if you're not at your highest natural potential.  You can take tamoxifen/clomiphene which are selective estrogen receptor modulators.  Clomiphene is what I use post cycle but they antagonize estrogen receptors and I don't remember the mechanism (3rd shift took ambien lolz) but it causes a release of leutenizing hormone which in turn causes test to be created.
You can also take an aromatase inhibitor, that's the enzyme that converts testosterone into estrogen(you need to read first before doing this as men need estrogen and too much of an AI can be bad so think dosage).

The best by far if you're under your potential or even hypogonadal is the hCG.  It's extracted from the urine of pregnant women by some companies but many now are using recombinant dna tech to secrete it from bacteria similarly to growth hormone and insulin.  hCG is a protein that keeps progesterone going in women during pregnancy but in men it acts just like leutenizing hormone and I believe somewhat like follicle stimulating hormone.  It acts directly on the leydig cells of the testes to create testosterone, from there testosterone acts as a ligand(messenger) to the sertoli cells and then sperm are made. 

So, it's actually used medically to treat hypogonadism and infertility issues.



Ok wow what you just described is exactly how Tongkat Ali works
cept it dont eat your liver to death :tongue:

I would cycle tongkat ali and then take other adaptogens throughout the day
http://www.josephkersey.com/tongkatali/?gclid=CIq9i96l1pMCFQ3_sgodYjB-iw

Mix this with the other herbs I listed mainly Rhodiola, eleuthero, tribulus t. and ashwagandha

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Re: Even though I said I never would... [Re: 5HTSynaptrip]
    #11785755 - 01/07/10 07:17 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

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Well my source is awesome, been using him for a while and he even tossed in 2 vials of ketamine for free! :awebig:

There isn't much you can do to raise testosterone to appreciable levels.  Physically I've never heard of not having sex.  I do know that heavy compound lifting like deads and squats cause a rise in testosterone. 

There are some RC chems available that also can boost test if you're not at your highest natural potential.  You can take tamoxifen/clomiphene which are selective estrogen receptor modulators.  Clomiphene is what I use post cycle but they antagonize estrogen receptors and I don't remember the mechanism (3rd shift took ambien lolz) but it causes a release of leutenizing hormone which in turn causes test to be created.
You can also take an aromatase inhibitor, that's the enzyme that converts testosterone into estrogen(you need to read first before doing this as men need estrogen and too much of an AI can be bad so think dosage).

The best by far if you're under your potential or even hypogonadal is the hCG.  It's extracted from the urine of pregnant women by some companies but many now are using recombinant dna tech to secrete it from bacteria similarly to growth hormone and insulin.  hCG is a protein that keeps progesterone going in women during pregnancy but in men it acts just like leutenizing hormone and I believe somewhat like follicle stimulating hormone.  It acts directly on the leydig cells of the testes to create testosterone, from there testosterone acts as a ligand(messenger) to the sertoli cells and then sperm are made. 

So, it's actually used medically to treat hypogonadism and infertility issues.



Ok wow what you just described is exactly how Tongkat Ali works
cept it dont eat your liver to death :tongue:

I would cycle tongkat ali and then take other adaptogens throughout the day
http://www.josephkersey.com/tongkatali/?gclid=CIq9i96l1pMCFQ3_sgodYjB-iw

Mix this with the other herbs I listed mainly Rhodiola, eleuthero, tribulus t. and ashwagandha

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Re: Even though I said I never would... [Re: 5HTSynaptrip]
    #11787144 - 01/07/10 11:32 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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5HTSynaptrip said:I'm an ectomorph so I will never be 240lbs... I can't eat that much.  At 185lbs I'm taking in 4-5k cals a day and that in of itself is a pain in the ass and costs a lot of $$.



I'm with you here.

I've been lifting on and off for almost 10 years now.  The most I've ever weighed is about 185lbs and I had to force feed myself all the time.  I pulled a muscle in my back and put myself out of the gym for a few months.  Needless to say that's the last time I ever weighed 180+..  I'm stuck at 165 now.

The real problem with using juice, in my experience, is that everyone seems to either keep going back to it or deal with feeling less accomplished with their gains.  When you use AAS and reach a certain size, that becomes your new best.  That's where you've set the bar.  So any time after that if you're not using anything and you're stuck being 10lbs lighter you'll always be thinking about when you "used to be huge."  I can't say that I know anyone who made significant gains off of AAS and never touched them again.  It's just too tempting.


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Re: Even though I said I never would... [Re: PowerTrip]
    #11787499 - 01/08/10 01:01 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Well for the weight class I'm shooting for in the end I'll drop down most of what this cycle will gain me, but in the intermediate it will give me great strength gains and certainly get me to my 185 comfortably.  I've never had a problem keeping the weight post cycle, most I've lost is 7 lbs. 

ChiefGreenLeaf- I appreciate the feedback but none of that is going to come close to providing the levels of testosterone that will give an ENORMOUS growth and overall increase in healing and protein synthesis than anabolics.  It's what any professional athlete has been using for this past century and up to today.  If those other things were even remotely as effect then people would be using it all over the place, but that simply is not the case.  You can put on 20-25lbs of lean mass in 10 weeks if you eat right... at least 2 grams of protein per lb of bodyweight.  Heavy ass sets with light reps.

= Huge in 10 weeks and doing what would take easily a year to 2 years.

edit: I mean heavy on the sets... and light reps means 6-8 reps per set but high weight.


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Re: Even though I said I never would... [Re: 5HTSynaptrip]
    #11787799 - 01/08/10 03:35 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Go natty.  For a balanced life.


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Re: Even though I said I never would... [Re: Ginseng1]
    #11794693 - 01/09/10 07:51 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Yea, and that's what kept me off for so long.  It' just that I'm 30's ish now and am already noticing a decline in testosterone... it doesn't look to bad on paper but I can feel it.  If it weren't for my wife wanting one more child I'd be on HRT for life.  Low testosterone in men fucks with you in so many different ways that it's scary, and terrible when you experience it.


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Re: Even though I said I never would... [Re: 5HTSynaptrip]
    #11794815 - 01/09/10 08:33 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

what is it like 5HT? Just female & curious.


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Re: Even though I said I never would... [Re: lines]
    #11795338 - 01/09/10 10:41 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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An easier way to raise testosterone levels is to avoid sex for awhile. Greek athletes would avoid sex for months prior to competition and Mohammed Ali the boxer would avoid sexual activity for about a month before each fight.




That's very true. Avoid any type of orgasm for a few weeks, and you'll find yourself having a TON of energy.

Glad to hear you've kicked so many addictive drugs! I've been taking 4mg klonopin and 200mg seroquel for about six months now for chronic anxiety and insomnia, I don't know if I'll ever get off them, but they allowed me to gain about 25 pounds so far. I went through terrible anxiety last year and dropped to 130 pounds lol...I was only 19 at the time. Now I'm back up to 155 and I am shooting for 175.

Taking too much testosterone can make you grow tits. And by sculpting yourself into a Greek god with juicing, you're only teasing your wife. Pop a viagra and go for it!!


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Re: Even though I said I never would... [Re: tyler_0_durden]
    #11844063 - 01/16/10 09:51 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Well, I started my cycle just yesterday.  I'm using a compound called Sustanon.  In total it contains 250mg of testosterone but with varying amounts of the hormone bound to different esters that give it a sort of timed release.  Most of the time a guy would get one to two shots of sustanon a month of he was on hormone replacement but I'll be injecting 500mg of it every week for 8-10 weeks.

What that does for you?  Well, you feel completely confident, powerful, and just the embodiment of masculinity.  My libido will be through the roof, probably want sex at least 5 times a day.  The HCG that I use during cycle also causes massive cumshots, which the wife likes. You feel warm a lot because your body (if you treat it right) is in a state of anabolism all the time.  Muscle fibers become more dense, veins and arteries grow to support the muscle, you burn fat also.

Testosterone also causes a really large increase in red blood cell count, which increases stamina (there are other anabolics that do this too like equipoise).  It also causes a LOT of calcium loading in your bones.  Joints stop hurting and the recovery time from heavy workouts (again given you eat enough) is amazing.  You can superset to the point of muscle failure and two days later feel zero soreness.

It's the best thing ever if you're a male.  There are some anabolics that females can use in low doses, a major one is anavar.  It's  just that so many steroids are highly androgenic and cause male features to develop, especially in women and these are irreversible.


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