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selling fungi
#11843064 - 01/16/10 06:44 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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disclaimer - all mention of drugs refers to legal ones. if this post is in poor taste then i apologize, but i figured that it would fit in with all the illegal stuff in 'security and safety'
i have a large amount of mushrooms dried and frozen and i want to sell them to two friends (they want to buy a large amount of shrooms). My friends don't know about my grow and i want to keep it that way.
I just want to keep as much distance between myself and the friends that i sell to as possible (i don't want them knowing the shrooms came from me). A lot of busts come from friends turned informants and i don't want a trail leading back to me 
maybe if i bought a prepay mobile phone, gave them the number and said you can buy large amounts of shrooms from this guy, then leave the shrooms in an easily recognisable hidden location (there's a lot of woodland in my area where i could do this) and i tell them the location when i receive cash in the post or whichever would be safest. I would personally guarantee my friends that i know this guy well and that if he rips them off ill cover their loss (after all its me that's selling to them)
that's the best way i can think of getting rid of the trail back to me. Once i 'introduce' my friends to 'my shroom selling friend' i could just say to them "do business with him, i'm not involved any more"
I would just tell them i can grow shrooms but i really dont like ANYONE knowing, not even friends. Either this post is sheer genius or amazing stupidity - let me know which ;-)
i guess i'm thinking out loud, but ALL advice is appreciated. Once again if this post is in bad taste i apologise, but i figured it would fit in in this sub-forum.
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nooneman


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Just give it to them rather than selling it. Say that you bought a ton from your last dealer and don't need it all. They'll think you're doing them a favor, and you are. But the upside is that no one can say that they bought mushrooms from you.
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Re: selling fungi [Re: nooneman]
#11843155 - 01/16/10 06:55 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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nooneman said: Just give it to them rather than selling it. Say that you bought a ton from your last dealer and don't need it all. They'll think you're doing them a favor, and you are. But the upside is that no one can say that they bought mushrooms from you.
to be honest i kinda need the money and i see the shrooms from previous grows as a quick solution. this wouldn't be a long term thing, just 2 large sales and out.
im pretty sure that selling and giving away are seen as the same thing so that's why i would charge (a very fair price though since its friends)
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ok this is what to do
Now I use to do this like 8 or so years ago and swear on every thing I havent even grown in years but this was my method
I did grow and when I would sell it would only be to 2-4 and never any more.
What I would say to them is
(me) Hey man do you want me to go pick up some boomers for you (him) hell yeah (me) well how much you want? (him) can you get me a half pound? (me) yeah man (him) how much (me) well if I just go get them then they are xxxxx price but if you give me cash right now ill knock off $100 just cause it will save me trouble. (him) all right man heres the cash. How long will it take? (me) well its a little over an hour and a half each way and ill be ther for like 30 minutes to an hour so give me 4 hours ok? (him) sounds good ill see you then
The whole time I had them in my closet or where ever and I would just go out to eat or some thing and just leave town for 4 hours come back call him up I go to my closet and grab it he walks in, here you go.
done and done
I did this for years and then some one started running there mouth I closed down shop never to look back and when my 4 buddies found out they straight up told "man I was getting that shit off of you for like 5 years and never once did I have a clue"
It was flawless, at least for me it was
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thanks for the helpful reply. I like your method, how did your friends find out about your grow operation if ya dont mind me asking?
Plus what's your opinion on fronting the shrooms to a friend for him to sell? maybe you front him a kilo and tell him you want $2000 for it in a few months time?
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Anonymous said: ok this is what to do
Now I use to do this like 8 or so years ago and swear on every thing I havent even grown in years but this was my method
I did grow and when I would sell it would only be to 2-4 and never any more.
What I would say to them is
(me) Hey man do you want me to go pick up some boomers for you (him) hell yeah (me) well how much you want? (him) can you get me a half pound? (me) yeah man (him) how much (me) well if I just go get them then they are xxxxx price but if you give me cash right now ill knock off $100 just cause it will save me trouble. (him) all right man heres the cash. How long will it take? (me) well its a little over an hour and a half each way and ill be ther for like 30 minutes to an hour so give me 4 hours ok? (him) sounds good ill see you then
The whole time I had them in my closet or where ever and I would just go out to eat or some thing and just leave town for 4 hours come back call him up I go to my closet and grab it he walks in, here you go.
done and done
I did this for years and then some one started running there mouth I closed down shop never to look back and when my 4 buddies found out they straight up told "man I was getting that shit off of you for like 5 years and never once did I have a clue"
It was flawless, at least for me it was
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ex gf spread the word
woman are the worst
and no I do not suggest telling him you can front cause this will make him believe you are growing (since your not rich and im not being mean you said you needed the money) since you can can just front 2 g's worth of shrooms
see what he has for loot and tell him you can get x amount for x price tell him to save the dough that he makes and just re up
I mean your not gonna ge the money faster by fronting any way
plus you dont trust him enough to know about your grow (dont trust any one even gf's) then why should you just loan out 2 g's worth of drugs
you really have to make it look like you are doing him a favor by going to get these for him
when you gat them for him even ask if he can give you a free 1/8 since you went and picked that up for him. That makes it really look like you are not growing
think brother think
if some one was gonna go pick up these for you how would they act
got to be smart to be a dealer you cant be a run of the mill druggie
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no one knows about my previous grows, and that's how its staying.
You're right about fronting, i'll try and work out how much they could afford to buy and take it from there - probably do a really good deal so they can make some decent money themselves so they keep buying in future. The thing i like with fronting though is its just one big deal and then you're collecting money for a few months from them selling it.
I trust my friends, but if one of them got caught then you never know what they'd do. If they're faced with life in prison then they could well rat me out.
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Anonymous said: ex gf spread the word
woman are the worst
and no I do not suggest telling him you can front cause this will make him believe you are growing (since your not rich and im not being mean you said you needed the money) since you can can just front 2 g's worth of shrooms
see what he has for loot and tell him you can get x amount for x price tell him to save the dough that he makes and just re up
I mean your not gonna ge the money faster by fronting any way
plus you dont trust him enough to know about your grow (dont trust any one even gf's) then why should you just loan out 2 g's worth of drugs
you really have to make it look like you are doing him a favor by going to get these for him
when you gat them for him even ask if he can give you a free 1/8 since you went and picked that up for him. That makes it really look like you are not growing
think brother think
if some one was gonna go pick up these for you how would they act
got to be smart to be a dealer you cant be a run of the mill druggie
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well let me tell you they may be your really really good friends now but if the have a bunch of free money and get caught up in some thing and just spend what makes you think they wont distance them selves from you
Do not do it I promise you will regret it one way or another
im sure you can tell I know what im talking about here so also trust me on this
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Anonymous said: well let me tell you they may be your really really good friends now but if the have a bunch of free money and get caught up in some thing and just spend what makes you think they wont distance them selves from you
Do not do it I promise you will regret it one way or another
im sure you can tell I know what im talking about here so also trust me on this
you definately sound like you speak from experience, care to go into more detail? or is that too personal?
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Anonymous said:
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Anonymous said: well let me tell you they may be your really really good friends now but if the have a bunch of free money and get caught up in some thing and just spend what makes you think they wont distance them selves from you
Do not do it I promise you will regret it one way or another
im sure you can tell I know what im talking about here so also trust me on this
you definately sound like you speak from experience, care to go into more detail? or is that too personal?
what do you want to know?
I seriously havent dona any thing for a very long time so it really doesnt matter
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Alan Rockefeller
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(me) Hey man do you want me to go pick up some boomers for you
Hahaha that is great.
Of course if people know you are growing they will run their mouth much more than they would if they think you are just doing them a favor by driving it around.
The problem though is that if someone narcs, they search your place just the same whether or not you are growing or just moving them around.
If you say you have to drive hours to pick them up maybe that will give you a little less chance of getting raided, since the warrant app needs to say that drugs are there now. But probably it would be the same.
One problem with the OP's original plan is that if you introduce someone to a drug dealer, you are criminally responsible for everything that person gets off the dealer. People have gone down for conspiracy to distribute hundreds of pounds of drugs because they hooked up their friends with a dealer, and over the years they bought hundreds of pounds from that dealer, then told everything when they got caught. Its very likely that they wouldn't pursue that though, I think the one guy that I heard of who got charged like that was black.
A bigger problem is that the police would stake out the drop off locations if one of your friends narked. You could frustrate their efforts by changing the exact location each time and waiting a few days to pick up the money.
The idea of leaving a pound of mushrooms in the forest and telling your friends to leave the money is pretty funny.
Its always better to make your money the old fashioned way rather than sell drugs. The profit to risk ratio is such that the only people who should sell drugs are people who have nothing to lose. If you are going to sell drugs, always sell only in large quantities and only to 1 or 2 people.
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fee
Im he who is the


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Alan Rockefeller said: One problem with the OP's original plan is that if you introduce someone to a drug dealer, you are criminally responsible for everything that person gets off the dealer. People have gone down for conspiracy to distribute hundreds of pounds of drugs because they hooked up their friends with a dealer, and over the years they bought hundreds of pounds from that dealer, then told everything when they got caught.
come on guy
show me one case where some one introduced some one to a drug dealer never touched the drugs, all he did was say hey so and so this is a drug dealer, drug dealer this is so and so, and got in trouble I have a very hard time believing that one. You are really great on security and safety issues but this one seems far fetched
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Re: selling fungi [Re: fee]
#11844397 - 01/16/10 10:47 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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It happened in Indiana in the 80's. I read about it on drcnet.org a few years back.
It doesn't happen often, but in a situation like that there is an agreement to break the law and an overt criminal action. Its not legal to hook someone up with drugs, even if you never touch them.
One drug dealers girlfriend got charged with conspiracy to distribute a controlled substance just for answering the phone and taking a message to have her boyfriend call the guy back. They never even mentioned anything illegal on the phone.
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fee
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Alan Rockefeller said: It happened in Indiana in the 80's. I read about it on drcnet.org a few years back.
It doesn't happen often, but in a situation like that there is an agreement to break the law and an overt criminal action. Its not legal to hook someone up with drugs, even if you never touch them.
One drug dealers girlfriend got charged with conspiracy to distribute a controlled substance just for answering the phone and taking a message to have her boyfriend call the guy back. They never even mentioned anything illegal on the phone.
I dont think some thing like that would hold up in todays court
at least I hope it wouldnt
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blankk said to fee: btw you're a total fucking psychedelic pimp Turtletotem said: I want to become a sun worshipper, so next time an atheist smugly asks me where god is, I can point smugly at the sun and laugh my ass off. Then I drive away in my solar powered piece of shit car, cool stuff man. And then I go kill a bitch because the flaming orb in the sky told me to do so, and I don't know, oppress a few minorities here and there in the name of nuclear fusion? Religion is fun.
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Anonymous said: disclaimer - all mention of drugs refers to legal ones. if this post is in poor taste then i apologize, but i figured that it would fit in with all the illegal stuff in 'security and safety'
i have a large amount of mushrooms dried and frozen and i want to sell them to two friends (they want to buy a large amount of shrooms). My friends don't know about my grow and i want to keep it that way.
I just want to keep as much distance between myself and the friends that i sell to as possible (i don't want them knowing the shrooms came from me). A lot of busts come from friends turned informants and i don't want a trail leading back to me 
maybe if i bought a prepay mobile phone, gave them the number and said you can buy large amounts of shrooms from this guy, then leave the shrooms in an easily recognisable hidden location (there's a lot of woodland in my area where i could do this) and i tell them the location when i receive cash in the post or whichever would be safest. I would personally guarantee my friends that i know this guy well and that if he rips them off ill cover their loss (after all its me that's selling to them)
that's the best way i can think of getting rid of the trail back to me. Once i 'introduce' my friends to 'my shroom selling friend' i could just say to them "do business with him, i'm not involved any more"
I would just tell them i can grow shrooms but i really dont like ANYONE knowing, not even friends. Either this post is sheer genius or amazing stupidity - let me know which ;-)
i guess i'm thinking out loud, but ALL advice is appreciated. Once again if this post is in bad taste i apologise, but i figured it would fit in in this sub-forum.
what difference does it make really? If they narc, they will still narc on you. you are the one with the hookup afterall.
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Re: selling fungi [Re: fee]
#11846548 - 01/17/10 11:25 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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fee said: I dont think some thing like that would hold up in todays court
at least I hope it wouldnt
Quoting from '"Conspiracy" Defined & Explained' @ http://www.lectlaw.com/def/c103.htm:
CONSPIRACY - 18 U.S.C. 371 makes it a separate Federal crime or offense for anyone to conspire or agree with someone else to do something which, if actually carried out, would amount to another Federal crime or offense. So, under this law, a 'conspiracy' is an agreement or a kind of 'partnership' in criminal purposes in which each member becomes the agent or partner of every other member.
So it's not much of a stretch of the law to say that if you introduce two people with the knowledge that they intend to commit a crime you're a member of the conspiracy and hence liable. Further complicating the issue is that (in the U.S.) some types of conspiracy require the defendant to have committed an 'overt act' in furtherance of the conspiracy while others (notably conspiracies to violate federal drug laws) do not.
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_%28crime%29
Edited by NizzyJones (01/17/10 11:42 AM)
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fee
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NizzyJones said:
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fee said: I dont think some thing like that would hold up in todays court
at least I hope it wouldnt
Quoting from '"Conspiracy" Defined & Explained' @ http://www.lectlaw.com/def/c103.htm:
CONSPIRACY - 18 U.S.C. 371 makes it a separate Federal crime or offense for anyone to conspire or agree with someone else to do something which, if actually carried out, would amount to another Federal crime or offense. So, under this law, a 'conspiracy' is an agreement or a kind of 'partnership' in criminal purposes in which each member becomes the agent or partner of every other member.
In order to establish a conspiracy offense it is not necessary for the Government to prove that all of the people named in the indictment were members of the scheme; or that those who were members had entered into any formal type of agreement; or that the members had planned together all of the details of the scheme or the 'overt acts' that the indictment charges would be carried out in an effort to commit the intended crime.
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A person may become a member of a conspiracy without knowing all of the details of the unlawful scheme, and without knowing who all of the other members are. So, if a person has an understanding of the unlawful nature of a plan and knowingly and willfully joins in that plan on one occasion, that is sufficient to convict him for conspiracy even though he did not participate before, and even though he played only a minor part.
If you introduce two people with the knowledge that they intend to commit a crime you're a member of the conspiracy.
Also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_%28crime%29
im sorry but there is no way you are gonna get in trouble if you say
"no I cant get you drugs but that guy over there can"
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blankk said to fee: btw you're a total fucking psychedelic pimp Turtletotem said: I want to become a sun worshipper, so next time an atheist smugly asks me where god is, I can point smugly at the sun and laugh my ass off. Then I drive away in my solar powered piece of shit car, cool stuff man. And then I go kill a bitch because the flaming orb in the sky told me to do so, and I don't know, oppress a few minorities here and there in the name of nuclear fusion? Religion is fun.
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Re: selling fungi [Re: fee]
#11846629 - 01/17/10 11:42 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes, and that's not what we're talking about here.
Edit: although it would meet the common law definition of conspiracy as it applies to federal drug statutes that would only become an issue in cases where the federal courts have jurisdiction.
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fee
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NizzyJones said: Yes, and that's not what we're talking about here.
Edit: although it would meet the common law definition of conspiracy as it applies to federal drug statutes that would only become an issue in cases where the federal courts have jurisdiction.
tis true it would have to be federal but also I am willing to put money down that in the case we are discussing that any good lawyer would find 15 loop holes where it wouldnt hold up cause if that wasnt the case cops all over the nation would be pressing detainees for info to charge people with conspiracy cause in 90% of cases people introduce other people to drug dealers for the sole purpose of buying dealing drugs
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blankk said to fee: btw you're a total fucking psychedelic pimp Turtletotem said: I want to become a sun worshipper, so next time an atheist smugly asks me where god is, I can point smugly at the sun and laugh my ass off. Then I drive away in my solar powered piece of shit car, cool stuff man. And then I go kill a bitch because the flaming orb in the sky told me to do so, and I don't know, oppress a few minorities here and there in the name of nuclear fusion? Religion is fun.
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Re: selling fungi [Re: fee]
#11846876 - 01/17/10 12:27 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well what case are you discussing? In the example of a person introducing two other people who then traffic drugs it's only nessecary to demonstrate that he was aware they intended to traffic drugs for him to be a member of the conspiracy.
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