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Offlinejoerol
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Help, need a question answered
    #1183157 - 01/01/03 03:38 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

This is my first time posting here but I have a question now I know that you can't get in a permanent mind trip but my friend swears to god that he is in a permanent mind trip and I haven't seen him since the last time we tripped(3 days ago) I haven't physically talked to him but I talked to his brother and he says he is messed up, now I just want assurance that this can't be for real, thanks.


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Re: Help, need a question answered [Re: joerol]
    #1183489 - 01/01/03 07:22 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Psychedelics can and do precipitate symptoms of mental illness. This occurs when mental illness is already present and the psychedelic reduces the ego-defenses that lots of people at this forum refer to as 'ego-loss.' This might sound a bit technical (I am a psychotherapist), but the point is that psychedelics can even produce their own disorder - Hallucinogen Persistent Perceptual Disorder, in which visuals and auditory distortions do not subside. Schizophrenia, if already 'under the surface', can become symptomatic.

You haven't spoken to him, but you're not in a position to evaluate his condition anyway. If your friend is behaving bizarrely, having complaints, delusions, etc., then he needs to be evaluated by a [hopefully] compassionate mental health practitioner.


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Re: Help, need a question answered [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #1183586 - 01/01/03 08:25 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

right-on, Mark.

And good luck to your friend, joerol. If possible, you should suggest to him that he get checked out or something..


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Offlinealright
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Re: Help, need a question answered [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #1183759 - 01/01/03 11:42 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Hey Markos,

How would I go about finding a 'compassionate' practicioner?


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Offlinegnrm23
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Re: Help, need a question answered [Re: joerol]
    #1186959 - 01/03/03 08:55 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

emergency treatment of nagging psychic distortions may be able to be ameliorated by popping some niacinamide...
as for finding the right mental health professional... well, you can shop around, or ask around, or search for networks of possibilities online (& in current books...) --- online there is some sort of network, maybe modeled after some of stan grof's work... and there is also prolly a loose alliance of shrinks who use the niacinamide treatement for persisitent disordered mentalflow...
the first is something like spiriual emergence network or spiritual crisis network... and the second maybe though schitzophrenics anonymous, or finding a physician or psychiatrist specializing in "orthomolecular psychiatry" or megavitamin therapy (based much on the work of abram hoffer)
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it's not unusual for it to last for days..."
(from joe byrd & the united states of america: "i think it's over now")
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good luck for your friend...


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Re: Help, need a question answered [Re: alright]
    #1190221 - 01/04/03 01:49 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Like gnrm23 said, you'll have to inquire. After an initial crisis is dealt with, and follow up treatment is sought, one can phone around and simply ask the therapist if [s]he understands that people do you psychedelics for inner work, or if the therapist has little or no understanding and tolerance. Also, just because one has found a serious use does not mean that one's use is completely about that. A therapist can help one look at other motivations like escapism, a lazy attempt at chemical transcendence (instead of work on ethics, morals, recollected mind, etc), or a misguided understanding about what the ego is and how it is not to be gotten rid of. Ego defenses and wrong identifications with ego are to be gotten rid of. Insistance, coercion, scare tactics, etc. are all indicative of a power motive on the part of the therapist, not Compassion.


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