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How Many People Have Acheived Enlightenment?
#11824219 - 01/13/10 06:42 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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How difficult is it? Buddha did it in a few years...Seems like there would be more enlightened ones if it was so easy...
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Re: How Many People Have Acheived Enlightenment? [Re: JackofSpades]
#11824231 - 01/13/10 06:44 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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I lost over 20 lbs. I'm on my way.
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Re: How Many People Have Acheived Enlightenment? [Re: JackofSpades]
#11824253 - 01/13/10 06:48 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm enlightened. I didn't think that it was very difficult at all.
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Re: How Many People Have Acheived Enlightenment? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#11824263 - 01/13/10 06:49 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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It took awhile to lose that weight but once you put your mind to it. You are one of the most enlightened doods I know.
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Re: How Many People Have Acheived Enlightenment? [Re: Icelander]
#11824306 - 01/13/10 06:55 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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I did it this morning and last weekend.
Thanks, Enlightenment for Dummies!
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Re: How Many People Have Acheived Enlightenment? [Re: Icelander]
#11824308 - 01/13/10 06:55 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well,I think your enlightened too brother! The rest of these people might be totally lost, but we are enlightened there is no doubt.
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Re: How Many People Have Acheived Enlightenment? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#11824319 - 01/13/10 06:57 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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I became enlightened because the enlightened people are better than the slob masses.
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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Re: How Many People Have Acheived Enlightenment? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#11824375 - 01/13/10 07:08 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Huehuecoyotl said: I became enlightened because the enlightened people are better than the slob masses.
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Re: How Many People Have Acheived Enlightenment? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#11824459 - 01/13/10 07:23 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Huehuecoyotl said: Well,I think your enlightened too brother! The rest of these people might be totally lost, but we are enlightened there is no doubt.
It's sad really, our mission has been to try and salvage a few worthy individuals here but most will never know the bliss we experience each moment.
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Re: How Many People Have Acheived Enlightenment? [Re: Icelander]
#11824503 - 01/13/10 07:30 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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If it were up to me I'd kill off all the unelightened. I mean, who wants to live in a world full of intolerance?
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Re: How Many People Have Acheived Enlightenment? [Re: learningtofly]
#11824518 - 01/13/10 07:31 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Give me a behavioral test for enlightenment and I'll tell you how many people pass it.
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Re: How Many People Have Acheived Enlightenment? [Re: JackofSpades]
#11824555 - 01/13/10 07:37 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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JackofSpades said: How difficult is it? Buddha did it in a few years...Seems like there would be more enlightened ones if it was so easy...
How many people think they achieved enlightenment, while all they achieved was a complacent reality?
How many people let their ego expand instead of removing it and feel enlightened?
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Re: How Many People Have Acheived Enlightenment? [Re: learningtofly]
#11824569 - 01/13/10 07:38 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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learningtofly said: If it were up to me I'd kill off all the unelightened. I mean, who wants to live in a world full of intolerance?
Our enlightenment would inform us of your intentions long before you yourself knew them. You can't touch us.
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Re: How Many People Have Acheived Enlightenment? [Re: Icelander]
#11824582 - 01/13/10 07:41 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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hmm... Wanna join forces? like a superman and batman kinda thing?
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Re: How Many People Have Acheived Enlightenment? [Re: learningtofly]
#11824605 - 01/13/10 07:44 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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If the enlightened are the superheroes, who are the supervillains?
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Re: How Many People Have Acheived Enlightenment? [Re: deCypher]
#11824620 - 01/13/10 07:45 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Evil skeptics.
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Re: How Many People Have Acheived Enlightenment? [Re: deCypher]
#11824622 - 01/13/10 07:46 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Those with leprosy.
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Re: How Many People Have Acheived Enlightenment? [Re: learningtofly]
#11824629 - 01/13/10 07:47 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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learningtofly said:
hmm... Wanna join forces? like a superman and batman kinda thing?
Batman? WTF can he do? Besides he's a pedophile being all over that Robin dood.
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Re: How Many People Have Acheived Enlightenment? [Re: Icelander]
#11824633 - 01/13/10 07:47 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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You mean like leprochuans?
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Re: How Many People Have Acheived Enlightenment? [Re: JackofSpades]
#11824640 - 01/13/10 07:48 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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JackofSpades said: How difficult is it? Buddha did it in a few years...Seems like there would be more enlightened ones if it was so easy...
I would think that nobody could ever really achieve a constant state of enlightenment..sure you'll have moments...to become awake...but I think that enlightenment may just be a continuing process..never fully ending but never really beginning. And to be honest..If enlightment could be described, that which you call enlightenment would not be worth pursuing!
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Re: How Many People Have Acheived Enlightenment? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#11824647 - 01/13/10 07:49 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hey were's JackofSpades? He's missing out on important information here.
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Re: How Many People Have Acheived Enlightenment? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#11824652 - 01/13/10 07:50 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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OrgoneConclusion said: Evil skeptics.
You man the S-rays and I'll prep the Debunking Device... we'll be unstoppable.
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Re: How Many People Have Acheived Enlightenment? [Re: Icelander]
#11824679 - 01/13/10 07:55 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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learningtofly said:
hmm... Wanna join forces? like a superman and batman kinda thing?
Batman? WTF can he do? Besides he's a pedophile being all over that Robin dood.
He's rich.
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Re: How Many People Have Acheived Enlightenment? [Re: learningtofly]
#11824851 - 01/13/10 08:29 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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If it were up to me I'd kill off all the unelightened. I mean, who wants to live in a world full of intolerance?
Is this supposed to be a joke? It is totally contradictory...
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learningtofly
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Re: How Many People Have Acheived Enlightenment? [Re: xFrockx]
#11824871 - 01/13/10 08:32 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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s a r c a s m
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Re: How Many People Have Acheived Enlightenment? [Re: learningtofly]
#11824894 - 01/13/10 08:35 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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I mean from what I understand enlightenment is the permanent activation of the 8th chakra and once you die (you get sent there on death regardless) but only if you are already there do you stay there and end the re-birth cycle of reincarnation...
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Re: How Many People Have Acheived Enlightenment? [Re: learningtofly]
#11824895 - 01/13/10 08:35 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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I mean from what I understand enlightenment is the permanent activation of the 8th chakra and once you die (you get sent there on death regardless) but only if you are already there do you stay there and end the re-birth cycle of reincarnation...
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Re: How Many People Have Acheived Enlightenment? [Re: JackofSpades]
#11824915 - 01/13/10 08:38 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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double posting is far from enlightening
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Re: How Many People Have Acheived Enlightenment? [Re: JackofSpades]
#11824928 - 01/13/10 08:40 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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JackofSpades said: I mean from what I understand enlightenment is the permanent activation of the 8th chakra and once you die (you get sent there on death regardless) but only if you are already there do you stay there and end the re-birth cycle of reincarnation...
So how can we behaviorally differentiate between someone who's permanently activated their 8th chakra and someone who hasn't?
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Re: How Many People Have Acheived Enlightenment? [Re: Sadhguru]
#11824931 - 01/13/10 08:40 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've heard that enlightenment is the absence of thought.
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Re: How Many People Have Acheived Enlightenment? [Re: deCypher]
#11824933 - 01/13/10 08:41 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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is the 8th chakra like the g spot?
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Re: How Many People Have Acheived Enlightenment? [Re: deCypher]
#11824940 - 01/13/10 08:42 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm up to my 11th chakra with no end in sight. That's fuckin enlightened dood.
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Re: How Many People Have Acheived Enlightenment? [Re: xFrockx]
#11824942 - 01/13/10 08:42 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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I wish I knew a girl who permanently activated her g-spot.
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xFrockx said: I've heard that enlightenment is the absence of thought.
So would death be considered enlightenment too?
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Re: How Many People Have Acheived Enlightenment? [Re: deCypher]
#11824962 - 01/13/10 08:45 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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"So would death be considered enlightenment too? "
If death exists, and we stop thinking when we die, (both bold assumptions made in ignorance) then yes.
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Re: How Many People Have Acheived Enlightenment? [Re: xFrockx]
#11824982 - 01/13/10 08:47 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah that doesn't seem intuitive; IMO enlightenment would be a state achieved while still living. I like the ceasing all thoughts idea, although isn't enlightenment supposed to grant wisdom? If so, what wisdom does not having any thoughts grant?
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Re: How Many People Have Acheived Enlightenment? [Re: deCypher]
#11824989 - 01/13/10 08:48 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Satori FTW.
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Re: How Many People Have Acheived Enlightenment? [Re: deCypher]
#11825034 - 01/13/10 08:55 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well then include the condition that it must happen while alive
The wisdom to stop thinking is the same wisdom as ending hate, worry, and all other suffering.
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Re: How Many People Have Acheived Enlightenment? [Re: xFrockx]
#11825423 - 01/13/10 09:50 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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xFrockx said: The wisdom to stop thinking is the same wisdom as ending hate, worry, and all other suffering.
Why do you believe this?
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Re: How Many People Have Acheived Enlightenment? [Re: deCypher]
#11825660 - 01/13/10 10:22 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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If you are not thinking anything, how could you be doing any of those things? I don't really believe it, it just sort of logically follows.
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Re: How Many People Have Acheived Enlightenment? [Re: deCypher]
#11825686 - 01/13/10 10:26 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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the suffis used light as a symbol, as the buddhists, probably hindus, probably the greeks,
why is light a universal symbol? who can illuminate this for me? Or perhaps you would rather elucidate?
Is dreaming to lucid dreaming as living is to enlightened living?
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Re: How Many People Have Acheived Enlightenment? [Re: xFrockx]
#11825699 - 01/13/10 10:28 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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xFrockx said: If you are not thinking anything, how could you be doing any of those things? I don't really believe it, it just sort of logically follows.
I think you may be using thought more broadly than I am... I can conceive of halting all thought and still being in extreme pain.
At any rate if we're talking about ceasing all mental activity I think the only way to do this would be death and that doesn't sound too desirable. I want to end hate, worry and all other suffering but not at the expense of love, curiosity and happiness.
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Freedom said: Is dreaming to lucid dreaming as living is to enlightened living?
I like the analogy.
What's ironic is that Lucifer is known as the light-bringer. Perhaps ignorance is really bliss and knowing Truth is Hell?
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Re: How Many People Have Acheived Enlightenment? [Re: deCypher]
#11827111 - 01/14/10 07:37 AM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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perhaps Light just means Knowledge or Learning. Both God and Satan, among countless other Beings(albeit mythic or not) were considered "Light-barers". I dunno..just a thought
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Re: How Many People Have Acheived Enlightenment? [Re: JackofSpades]
#11827318 - 01/14/10 08:57 AM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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JackofSpades said: How difficult is it? Buddha did it in a few years...Seems like there would be more enlightened ones if it was so easy...
I believe sometimes we take words to strongly. I have perceived your question as if enlightenment is some kind of destination or place to be. Well that is not the case at all. We are all already enlightened.
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Re: How Many People Have Acheived Enlightenment? [Re: blackdust]
#11827327 - 01/14/10 08:59 AM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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No one is enlightened. Everyone is enlightened.
If those words aren't contradictory to you, you could be enlightened. Because if you know what enlightenment means, you will understand why they cannot be contradictory.
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Re: How Many People Have Acheived Enlightenment? [Re: xFrockx]
#11827347 - 01/14/10 09:07 AM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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xFrockx said: No one is enlightened. Everyone is enlightened.
exactly Alan Watts facilitated this to my so called awareness.
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Re: How Many People Have Acheived Enlightenment? [Re: blackdust]
#11827651 - 01/14/10 10:35 AM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Enlightenment (undefined placeholder for whatever you want it to mean) threads = .
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