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OfflineTri High
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Census for money
    #11822477 - 01/13/10 02:33 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Walk around to peoples' doors that don't mail in their census information, get their house hold occupancy numbers, maybe names, iono, then onto the next one, then collect dollars.

I plan on doing it.  Anybody else?  Don't want to link the census website from here, so google it...

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Re: Census for money [Re: Tri High]
    #11824155 - 01/13/10 06:33 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

What? lol..


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Re: Census for money [Re: Tri High]
    #11902360 - 01/25/10 10:42 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I'm doing it too I think... there's a lot of ads for it in my area.


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Re: Census for money [Re: GeminiWolf]
    #11904511 - 01/26/10 10:24 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Cool.  I missed the first test date due to sleeping in.  The next one though I'm going to and will effectively ace.

Money, money, money.  In the mean time, though....I need a job, haha.


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Re: Census for money [Re: Tri High]
    #11904726 - 01/26/10 11:11 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

hrmmmm. if i didnt have 2 jobs already i'd definitely jump on this.

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Re: Census for money [Re: memes]
    #11904846 - 01/26/10 11:37 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Ill look into this when I get home.. ill also inform my unemployed friends.


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Re: Census for money [Re: Tri High]
    #11906451 - 01/26/10 04:11 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I scored a 100% on the test, which seemed nearly impossible not to do, and was not eligible because technically I am considered a tax collector for the State of Maryland.. Lame.

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Re: Census for money [Re: Groovy Grant]
    #11906883 - 01/26/10 05:35 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

No, we can't have tax collectors taking the census. People who owed taxes would avoid the tax collector end up not being counted.


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Re: Census for money [Re: AnastomosisJihad]
    #11906931 - 01/26/10 05:47 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

BTW, does anybody know the weapons regs for census takers? Will these guys be carrying guns?


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Re: Census for money [Re: AnastomosisJihad]
    #11907359 - 01/26/10 06:57 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

those laws are determined by the individual states where they will be doing the surveys..

on that note, my friend applied for this the other day

govt money is good money imho


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Re: Census for money [Re: ZippoZ]
    #11910703 - 01/27/10 10:11 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

If'n y'all need money, give the census guys a call!

Their number is easy enough to find.  They'll ask for zip code, type it in, they'll forward you to someone in your area to talk to about showing up for a test time.

It's probably worth it.  Make it happen y'all.  Money in da bank.


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Re: Census for money [Re: Tri High]
    #11912815 - 01/27/10 04:16 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

yeah around me its like 16 bucks an hour for 3 months or so.

i just took my test, it was easy but somehow i missed one, granted i was high off my ass but hopefully i get a call in the next few days.

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Re: Census for money [Re: ABR516]
    #11923795 - 01/29/10 11:57 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

25/28 correct. = 95%.  Only 10 questions correct is passing, so I'm sure anyone from the shroomery could get a job with these people, depending on yer pasts.

They had a question asking if, in the last 10 years, I'd been on probation/parole/etc...

I'm on probation now.  So hopefully it won't come back to bite my bum.


Anyhow.  Go take a test and make some money for a few weeks.

Do it.


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Re: Census for money [Re: Tri High]
    #12082832 - 02/23/10 11:35 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

when the census posts jobs there really aren't any open they post them to see how many people apply so they can get an ides of how many people are searching for work. I have applied to these jobs before and completely aced there tests I have no bad background yet I never heard anything.

I was told this by someone that works for them btw

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Re: Census for money [Re: Tri High]
    #12101176 - 02/26/10 10:42 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I was a census worker in 1980.

It was a great part-time job  people, when my class was first formed
most were older people who in just a short time dropped out.

So just a few of us were left to do all of Tillman County, Oklahoma
and I did most of the rural area,s.

Back then we made money by the amount and kinds of forms filled out,
when you ran across a American Indian family you hit gravy because
American Indian family had twice as many forms as rest of people.
And we got like 35 cents a mile drove.

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Re: Census for money [Re: Tri High]
    #12111892 - 02/28/10 07:21 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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Walk around to peoples' doors that don't mail in their census information, get their house hold occupancy numbers, maybe names, iono, then onto the next one, then collect dollars.

I plan on doing it.  Anybody else?  Don't want to link the census website from here, so google it...

Tree.






I think it is a great idea! 

It is exactly the kind of job that government is known to provide...

It is work that's overpaid and offers nothing of value to society!

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Re: Census for money [Re: Mr.Al]
    #12123508 - 03/01/10 08:31 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

exactly the kind of job that government is known to provide...

It is work that's overpaid and offers nothing of value to society!



That's just stupid.  The census is required by the constitution to determine the number of reps from each state. The census is at the heart of representative democracy.


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Re: Census for money [Re: AnastomosisJihad]
    #12127185 - 03/02/10 11:44 AM (14 years, 30 days ago)

OK, so an update.

The Census bureau had me listed as a federal tax collector, which I am neither a federal employee or a tax collector. I called to get this straightened out, was told to type up a letter clarifying this and bring it to them. I do this, as well as provide a copy of my job description with the state government I work for.

I go to drop the letter and documents off, and the lady I was supposed to talk to was fired within that 24 hour period. I drop off the documents and i'm assured they will be reviewed.

I wait another week, and so response, so I call. They say everything is good to go and they'll contact me with further information. Another week goes by and I get a letter in the mail saying I have to provide documents in regards to something an FBI database search found...

No idea what this could be, I got a DUI back in 2002. So I call the Census bureau again and they said I'm ineligible because I'm a federal tax collector. Straighten that out again... Then discuss the letter I just received, and I am told to write a letter and get the court documents.

I call the court, they tell me they destroy all traffic files after three years.. I can however get a certified copy of the tickets. So I get a copy of those and provide a written explanation and statement about what occurred..

Anyone else, think this is ridiculous? I've had two other background searches done before, one when I was a substitute teacher and I worked with children directly. Another getting my current position, where I needed a badge to gain access to the circuit court and to bypass security and such. Neither of them had anything that came up.

All I wanted with this position was something for nights and weekends to supplement the income I've lost this year due to state employee furloughs and cutbacks. I work with the general public everyday, did well on their test and have a degree in economics, you'd think I'd be a prime candidate. Yet I read this article the other day:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/28/AR2010012804124.html

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Re: Census for money [Re: AnastomosisJihad]
    #12157291 - 03/07/10 01:46 AM (14 years, 26 days ago)

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exactly the kind of job that government is known to provide...

It is work that's overpaid and offers nothing of value to society!



That's just stupid.  The census is required by the constitution to determine the number of reps from each state. The census is at the heart of representative democracy.






It is not stupid to state that it does not provide anything of value to the people.

It is an overpaid government job that siphons off wealth from the rest of the economy.

These are the kind of jobs that government is creating.

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Re: Census for money [Re: Mr.Al]
    #12157873 - 03/07/10 08:32 AM (14 years, 25 days ago)

it does not provide anything of value to the people.


Nope, what you are saying is still stupid. Census workers produce population data. The data is valuable for many purposes. Foremost of these, census data is used to determine the number of representatives each state may send to congress. The census is mandated by the constitution. Census workers have been collecting population data every ten years since 1790. If you do not value the census, then you do not value the constitution.

It is an overpaid government job

Where I live census takers make $12.50 an hour. That's barely living wage, hardly too much for dealing with all the muddy back roads, vicious dogs, no trespassing signs, and anti-government rednecks.

that siphons off wealth from the rest of the economy.

Wrong again. Aside from its constitutionally mandated primary purpose, census data is also used by local governments and private businesses. High quality population data is necessary for the efficient planning of roads and utility projects, schools and hospitals. Businesses also use the data when deciding where to build new factories.

A whole range of public and private sector organizations rely on data provided by the Census Bureau. Good census data is essential to government and private industry alike.


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Re: Census for money [Re: Mr.Al]
    #12159595 - 03/07/10 03:06 PM (14 years, 25 days ago)

That's a bunch of bullshit. Census data is one of the most widely used source of demographic data for a wide range of research. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

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Re: Census for money [Re: Redstorm]
    #12162132 - 03/07/10 11:25 PM (14 years, 25 days ago)

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That's a bunch of bullshit. Census data is one of the most widely used source of demographic data for a wide range of research. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.






I am referring to the fact that the U.S. government is broke.

This is another non-productive government job.

I just feel that people would be better off learning a skill that is useful and productive.

Being a government employee is not healthy.


I am seeing entirely too many government cheerleaders on this forum.

The government does not need more information about the American people.

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Re: Census for money [Re: Mr.Al]
    #12163166 - 03/08/10 07:06 AM (14 years, 24 days ago)

Census taking is a temporary job.

What is a more valuable position for a college student to hold during a summer: census worker or fast food worker?

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Re: Census for money [Re: Redstorm]
    #12163328 - 03/08/10 08:12 AM (14 years, 24 days ago)

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Census taking is a temporary job.

What is a more valuable position for a college student to hold during a summer: census worker or fast food worker?





I hope that a college student would have more self respect and not take the easy money of a government job.

I just have different moral values than some.

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Re: Census for money [Re: Mr.Al]
    #12166004 - 03/08/10 05:31 PM (14 years, 24 days ago)

I'm a college student, and it is hard to argue with $13 an hour when other jobs pay $7.  Loans add up fast.  If I don't do this job, someone else will, its not like the position will go unfilled.

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Re: Census for money [Re: Mr.Al]
    #12166285 - 03/08/10 06:18 PM (14 years, 24 days ago)

lol moral values? stop putting yourself in some sort of exalted position. im glad you have a job

i am unemployed and while i am not looking for a permanent government job in washington dc i did apply for the temporary census work because some of us have bills to pay. there's a big difference

and sure while the govt may run the census inefficiently that doesnt mean it shouldnt be done

i have plenty of skills, but no one is hiring for my particular skill set right now. it doesnt take any skills to do a two month temporary job and like others have pointed out the census will be taken (and should be really) whether you stand on your moral high ground or not. thats really your argument? your moral values?

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Re: Census for money [Re: ABR516]
    #12169006 - 03/09/10 06:52 AM (14 years, 23 days ago)

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lol moral values? stop putting yourself in some sort of exalted position. im glad you have a job

i am unemployed and while i am not looking for a permanent government job in washington dc i did apply for the temporary census work because some of us have bills to pay. there's a big difference

and sure while the govt may run the census inefficiently that doesnt mean it shouldnt be done

i have plenty of skills, but no one is hiring for my particular skill set right now. it doesnt take any skills to do a two month temporary job and like others have pointed out the census will be taken (and should be really) whether you stand on your moral high ground or not. thats really your argument? your moral values?






It is not just a head count friend, although that is what it was originally intended to be.


Being a census taker these days involves collecting a great deal of information about your neighbors that does not necessarily benefit them.

http://www.campaignforliberty.com/article.php?view=675

Do you trust the same government that would gladly lock you up for smoking a harmless herb or ingesting your favorite mind altering substance.

Would you lick same boot that is stomping your face into the ground (1984 reference...)?  Maybe if they paid you well???? W.T.F. dude.



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Re: Census for money [Re: Mr.Al]
    #12171781 - 03/09/10 03:44 PM (14 years, 23 days ago)

Citing an op. ed. article as a source is laughable, however it explains a lot of the holes in your logic. The "holes" being what someone else hasn't told you what to think about them yet...

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Re: Census for money [Re: Groovy Grant]
    #12172687 - 03/09/10 06:08 PM (14 years, 23 days ago)

Taking the census is a lot of fun, but you have to be dedicated and not afraid. There's nothing like the rush of walking past the "No Trespassing" sign looking to see what's around the bend.

If you like to hike, and you like to engage the public in an official capacity, then this is a good job for you. A lot of people go through training and quit because they don't have the heart for it. Some people falsify data, and get terminated.

And a note to anybody considering not turning in the form. If the form is incomplete but turned in, then somebody will call you to collect the missing information. If the information cannot be collected by phone, then somebody will visit you. Mailing in a completed form will save hundreds of tax dollars.


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Re: Census for money [Re: Groovy Grant]
    #12176010 - 03/10/10 06:41 AM (14 years, 22 days ago)

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Citing an op. ed. article as a source is laughable, however it explains a lot of the holes in your logic. The "holes" being what someone else hasn't told you what to think about them yet...






Have fun spying on your neighbors kids.

Again, if it was only a head count it would be fine.

The government should not be receiving more information than that.


Maybe you could find something productive to do instead of asking for easy money from Big Brother.

Different people have very different values scales...

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Re: Census for money [Re: Mr.Al]
    #12176020 - 03/10/10 06:46 AM (14 years, 22 days ago)

What information do they gather that is so objectionable to you?

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Re: Census for money [Re: Redstorm]
    #12176154 - 03/10/10 07:48 AM (14 years, 22 days ago)

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What information do they gather that is so objectionable to you?





It was originally intended to just be a head count.

I do not want them to know my phone number or specific home address.  I see no reason why they would need to know what "race" I am.  We are all Americans and all that race bullshit is just another part of "Divide et impera".  They do not need to know if I am the "head of the household".


I do not want a government employee showing up at my doorstep if the paper isn't filled out right.


It should just be a piece of paper in the mail asking how many people live here.  No names or any personal information.

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    #12177076 - 03/10/10 11:45 AM (14 years, 22 days ago)

Mr. Al,

Don't get me wrong. I didn't bother to read your article to begin with, once I saw you were linking to an opinion article. I guess the "facts" are going to continue to elude. However, you have no need for them (facts), as you base most of your opinions on fallacies (or other people's fallacies, as you can't seem to get your hands on your own actual opinion). What a great way to support an argument, with even more argument...

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Re: Census for money [Re: Groovy Grant]
    #12178658 - 03/10/10 04:38 PM (14 years, 22 days ago)

Hey there Mr. A.I.

It was originally intended to just be a head count.

This is true, but a lot has changed since then. Efficient management of the country requires a little more information now. Don't worry. The information you provide will be used for statistical purposes only. None of the information you provide will be used to identify you or your household to any other government agency.


I do not want them to know my phone number or specific home address.

You are not required to provide a phone number. Some people do not have phones. The exact physical address is required, because representative districts are geographically defined. We need to know how many people are in which geographic areas.



I see no reason why they would need to know what "race" I am.


I'm not sure about this question either. Most biologists are now of the opinion that races do not even exist.


I do not want a government employee showing up at my doorstep if the paper isn't filled out right.


Then make sure you fill it out right. Your responses are required by law. Failure to provide the requested information will result in successive stages of escalation in the attempt to collect it.


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Re: Census for money [Re: AnastomosisJihad]
    #12188089 - 03/12/10 03:08 AM (14 years, 21 days ago)

This country does not need efficient management from the government.

That is the problem in this country, too many have bought the idea of central planning.

The government caused the mess we are in today, expecting government to fix the problems it caused is not logical.

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Re: Census for money [Re: Mr.Al]
    #12190162 - 03/12/10 01:18 PM (14 years, 20 days ago)

No need for government planing? We should just put down the roads and water lines willy nilly?

Firetruck and ambulance drivers should be denied good maps in the name of what? Freedom, privacy?

You position is a little bit crazy.


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Re: Census for money [Re: AnastomosisJihad]
    #12190725 - 03/12/10 02:47 PM (14 years, 20 days ago)

A little bit? No, his position is fully crazy.

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Re: Census for money [Re: Groovy Grant]
    #12199188 - 03/14/10 07:12 AM (14 years, 18 days ago)

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A little bit? No, his position is fully crazy.






A head count of people residing in at each address is sufficient for their legitimate purposes.

The Constitution happens to call for a head count only.


I am stating that the government should not have more information about people beyond what they would be strictly limited by the Constitution.




If you think my position on government central planning (especially in the economic sense) is insane you could benefit from doing a search on the Cuban Toilet Paper Shortage.

You would have to go far, you would find some links on the shroomery...

Does it not follow that the more info. they have the more trouble they can cause?

Ever talk to a police officer during a traffic stop?


I find your trust in government rather disconcerting...

Edited by Mr.Al (03/14/10 07:14 AM)

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    #12203439 - 03/14/10 10:08 PM (14 years, 18 days ago)

If you want to see what happens when cities are not planned, then look to Africa.

Your all or nothing ideology is the problem. Yes, the free market should take care of toilet paper distribution. The free market cannot plan a city, the free market will not insure that all children are educated. The free market cannot send robots to mars, but that's off topic. 

The Census is going to happen, and it is for the good of our county. Your participation is mandatory.

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    #12203504 - 03/14/10 10:16 PM (14 years, 18 days ago)

I am stating that the government should not have more information about people beyond what they would be strictly limited by the Constitution.

The government already has all your information. If you have a drivers license, or if you own property, or if you use any public service, then "the government" already has your info. Why not the Census Bureau?


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    #12203798 - 03/14/10 11:17 PM (14 years, 18 days ago)

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If you want to see what happens when cities are not planned, then look to Africa.




Shit, even look at Indianapolis, Houston, or Dallas for examples of piss-poorly planned cities within the US. Urban planning is absolutely crucial for a city which hopes to sustain itself for centuries.

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    #12205680 - 03/15/10 11:31 AM (14 years, 17 days ago)

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If you want to see what happens when cities are not planned, then look to Africa.




Shit, even look at Indianapolis, Houston, or Dallas for examples of piss-poorly planned cities within the US. Urban planning is absolutely crucial for a city which hopes to sustain itself for centuries.






I think that the market "plans" far more effectively than government.

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    #12207151 - 03/15/10 03:42 PM (14 years, 17 days ago)

The market has planned all of those cities. Essentially, any sprawling city with numerous suburban communities was planned by the market.

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    #12223130 - 03/18/10 08:10 AM (14 years, 14 days ago)

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The market has planned all of those cities. Essentially, any sprawling city with numerous suburban communities was planned by the market.






It makes so much more sense when the wise politicians and bureaucrats run our lives?!?

What are you trying to say?


http://www.creators.com/opinion/john-stossel/politicians-smother-cities.html

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    #12223235 - 03/18/10 09:01 AM (14 years, 14 days ago)

Was my post really that complex? I said exactly what the words in it mean when put together in sentences.

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    #12223585 - 03/18/10 10:28 AM (14 years, 14 days ago)

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The market has planned all of those cities. Essentially, any sprawling city with numerous suburban communities was planned by the market.






It makes so much more sense when the wise politicians and bureaucrats run our lives?!?

What are you trying to say?


http://www.creators.com/opinion/john-stossel/politicians-smother-cities.html





Mr. A.I.

There seems to be some kind of cognitive disconnect going on here. You have not addressed any of the comments I or Redstorm have made, you just keep repeating your dogmatic free market rhetoric. It's like science and common sense don't matter to you at all.

Your free market idealism reigns supreme, like some kind of religious fundamentalism. 

There is no evidence, either past nor present, that supports your view against government planing of cities. As I mentioned earlier, look to Africa to see what happens when cities spring up unplanned. Poverty, open sewers, deforestation, chronic water shortages, erosion of arable land, disease, war... the list of negatives goes on.

Free market fundamentalism is as ignorant as religious fundamentalism. If you can come up with a free market solution to urban planning then I'm all ears, but history has shown the free market to be entirely inadequate to the task.


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    #12229503 - 03/19/10 07:25 AM (14 years, 13 days ago)

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The market has planned all of those cities. Essentially, any sprawling city with numerous suburban communities was planned by the market.






The "market", as you say, is far from being a free market.

That is the central problem friends.

The Stossel link I posted was fairly clear in demonstrating how government planning can wreak economic havoc in local communities.



Texas has very little regulation and restrictions on what people do with their private property.  I recall that they did not have a budget deficit last fiscal year.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/texassouthwest/stories/112408dntextxbudget.34b53a7.html

Contrast that to New York, an excellent example of statist red tape and bureaucratic buffoonery.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/15/comptroller-dinapoli-new-_n_322103.html



Bureaucratic planning of community development; crazy zoning regulations, high taxation, and  onerous regulation of commerce kills economic sustainability.


Just look at the difference between Houston Texas and Cleveland Ohio.

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    #12229511 - 03/19/10 07:28 AM (14 years, 13 days ago)

Houston is one of the most unlivable cities in the US. I lived there for a time and can attest to that. High crime, terrible traffic, pretty much no mixed-income communities, and sprawl like you wouldn't believe. It's just terrible.

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    #12229532 - 03/19/10 07:39 AM (14 years, 13 days ago)

Houston is the worst Texas city for unemployment...

http://www.indymedia-letzebuerg.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=45012&Itemid=28



Cleveland is still far worse:

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2010/03/post_41.html




Again, I must stress that we do not have a free market in the United States.

It would be very interesting to see a free market develop in the United States.  We may see Texas develop it's own free market economy if the federal government continues on it's path. 

I think the solution to the ugliness you see in some of these places is economic freedom.

A free market brings prosperity.  Prosperity cleans up the community quite nicely without any "help" from bureaucrats.


You folks do know what I mean when I say free market, right?!?

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    #12234429 - 03/19/10 10:35 PM (14 years, 13 days ago)

A free market is a well regulated market.


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    #12236810 - 03/20/10 12:56 PM (14 years, 12 days ago)

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A free market is a well regulated market.





I think of good "regulation" as being: allow to market to work...

Companies that make bad decisions go bankrupt, they don't get bailed out. (That's a free market.)  When "too big to fail" (really means too well connected to fail) receives money from the government the entire economy is footing the bill.  Failure in business is rewarded and those that were careful in their decisions are robbed to pay for that failure.  That is not capitalism (it is crony capitalism).



Bankruptcies allow whatever is left of a companies viable assets to be purchased by those who are solvent because they are more careful with what they have.  Assets are reallocated to those who will utilize them more efficiently. (That is how capitalism works in a free market.)


I do not see political regulation as being "effective" in strengthening the economy...

The reason being is that government regulations make it more time consuming, difficult, and expensive to start or run a business especially small business.

Small Business
Provides Jobs For Over Half Of The Nation’s Private Workforce...

http://www.sba.gov/advo/press/05-37.html



Government is in the process of making it increasingly difficult to start/run small businesses of late with this push for healthcare "reform".

Small businesses are already on the hook for too much money for health insurance, unemployment insurance, high taxes on small business owners, and increasing costs of paying for every new government regulation in their particular industry.

Kill small business and watch unemployment numbers explode.



Mega corporations have lobbyists whose jobs are to lobby in D.C. to  increase regulation in their particular industry...

Why, you may ask?

Reason being is that the increased regulation costs drives out the competition from small businesses, ensuring the establishment of near monopolies in their particular industry.

This is an example of crony capitalism.



When you speak of regulation, you must first ask yourself who is calling for said regulation and where they are going to benefit from it.



If you don't believe me just stop by some of your local small business owners and ask them some questions....

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    #12318030 - 04/02/10 01:50 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

just figured id update you all

the census bureau finally called me yesterday, asked me a few questions and gave me the job

turns out they werent giving me the runaround after all

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    #12320326 - 04/02/10 09:13 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Sweet! What job did you get?


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    #12327884 - 04/04/10 09:01 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

just the little bitch who drives around and gets people to answer questions who never sent their form in. i figured with my college degree theyd give me a supervisors job but apparently they have doctors and lawyers and shit applying this year because of the economy.

i get 15.25 and hour plus .55 for every mile i drive. training doesnt start till may so i dont know exactly what is up. they did say it was 20 hours a week for 8 weeks although they could end it earlier.

either way im satisfied. probably the easiest 2500 im ever gonna make.

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    #12335783 - 04/05/10 02:07 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)



I recommend that you carry an umbrella for protection from dogs. An open umbrella makes you look a lot bigger than you are, which will cause many dogs to back off. Even if the dog does not back down, he will have a hard time biting you through the umbrella.

Have fun with all the anti-government types.


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    #12347296 - 04/07/10 08:42 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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Have fun with all the anti-government types.






Yeah.  It's hard to bite the hand that feeds you.

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    #12351975 - 04/07/10 10:00 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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Have fun with all the anti-government types.






Yeah.  It's hard to bite the hand that feeds you.





We all must support our own sustenance. Some choose to enslave themselves to some petty oligarch called a small business owner, and others chose to work for the betterment of humanity in a hierarchical yet egalitarian society.

Free? Nothing is free anymore; somebody already owns everything.


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    #12353774 - 04/08/10 06:59 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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Have fun with all the anti-government types.






Yeah.  It's hard to bite the hand that feeds you.





We all must support our own sustenance. Some choose to enslave themselves to some petty oligarch called a small business owner, and others chose to work for the betterment of humanity in a hierarchical yet egalitarian society.

Free? Nothing is free anymore; somebody already owns everything.





The difference is that the small business owner is producing goods and services that people buy willingly.

Government takes from everyone and doesn't even bother to say "Have a nice day".

GOVERNMENT DOES NOT PRODUCE VALUE.  It merely takes resources from people and reallocates them as it sees fit.

Business is about mutually beneficial exchange.

Government is destroying the efficiency of the market because it has grown to a LEVIATHAN size.



I feel it is wrong to want something for nothing.  That is the heart of a thief or government bureaucrat.

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    #12359028 - 04/08/10 11:31 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

The difference is that the small business owner is producing goods and services that people buy willingly.

People buy government services willingly. Law is subject to the will of the people.

Government takes from everyone and doesn't even bother to say "Have a nice day".

The only thing the census takes is information used for statistical purposes and genealogical purposes. I always say have a nice day. :smile:


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    #12360040 - 04/09/10 03:46 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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The difference is that the small business owner is producing goods and services that people buy willingly.

People buy government services willingly. Law is subject to the will of the people.

Government takes from everyone and doesn't even bother to say "Have a nice day".

The only thing the census takes is information used for statistical purposes and genealogical purposes. I always say have a nice day. :smile:






Yeah right.

Next time tax season comes around send back a letter to the I.R.S. with big red letters telling them to "fuck off".  See how that works for you...

Government services are not bought willingly.

The only Constitutional obligation in terms of the census is the number of people living under each individual roof.  All the other information I consider a gross invasion of privacy.

BTW, different government organizations like the I.R.S. have used census information to cause people much trouble.


The aforementioned I.R.S. like to do that....


I hear they are hiring thousands of additional I.R.S. agents, as part of the health care fiasco bill.


I do not appreciate your helping out those new I.R.S. agents.

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    #12368332 - 04/10/10 04:29 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

TITLE 13 > CHAPTER 7 > SUBCHAPTER I > § 214
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§ 214. Wrongful disclosure of information
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Whoever, being or having been an employee or staff member referred to in subchapter II of chapter 1 of this title, having taken and subscribed the oath of office, or having sworn to observe the limitations imposed by section 9 of this title, or whoever, being or having been a census liaison within the meaning of section 16 of this title, publishes or communicates any information, the disclosure of which is prohibited under the provisions of section 9 of this title, and which comes into his possession by reason of his being employed (or otherwise providing services) under the provisions of this title, shall be fined not more than $5,000 or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.


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    #12368345 - 04/10/10 04:32 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

If we changed the "at least" part to "no more than" this law would have a lot more teeth.


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    #12371702 - 04/11/10 07:53 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, that would be like the E.P.A. going after the U.S. government for all the pollution military bases cause...

Government will use whatever information it can get a hold of to extract more money from people.

The I.R.S. certainly has access to census information.

To expect anything else is the definition of naive.



When an individual citizen breaks the law they are held accountable.

When departments of the government break the law it is a different matter....

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    #12379706 - 04/12/10 05:07 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

The I.R.S. certainly has access to census information.

False.



The census bureau does not disclose personally identifiable information to the IRS. Census bureau employees are subject to a $250,000 fine and ten years in jail for releasing PII to any one other than a sworn census employee with a need to know.  IRS agents are non-sworn individuals, and they do not have a need to know.


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    #12383752 - 04/13/10 07:03 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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The I.R.S. certainly has access to census information.

False.



The census bureau does not disclose personally identifiable information to the IRS. Census bureau employees are subject to a $250,000 fine and ten years in jail for releasing PII to any one other than a sworn census employee with a need to know.  IRS agents are non-sworn individuals, and they do not have a need to know.






THEY DID IT BACK IN 1983!

http://www.jstor.org/pss/30000227

Do you think they have stopped?


Do you trust government to follow the law?

Government has abused census data in the past:

http://smargus.com/2010/03/census-data-has-history-of-abuse-by-government-intelligence-agencies/






It's a lot easier to trust government than to use that  thing we store in between our ears.

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