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Difference?
    #1181863 - 12/31/02 02:43 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Ok lets say this person i know has four 1/2 pint pf cakes, and he lets shrooms grow off of the cakes instead of casing them. he knows casing would benifit, but by how much. Lets say the four cakes uncased produced 12g dry, how much would those same cakes in a casing produce?


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Re: Difference? [Re: NSKiller]
    #1181867 - 12/31/02 02:45 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

16 g maybe. It depends highly on the casing medium among other things.


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Re: Difference? [Re: SixCee]
    #1181870 - 12/31/02 02:48 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Casing 4 cakes normally increases yields 25%+ provided the yields for the cakes alone are good, but the % difference in yields increases as a larger casing is created.


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Re: Difference? [Re: NSKiller]
    #1181915 - 12/31/02 03:19 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I've just harvest 28grams dried from ONE 1/2 pint pf cakes in casing for Strain B+.
And 16grams from GT strain-
Both was at their first flush... :shocked:

Take your decision about casing...  :wink:

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Re: Difference? [Re: Montezuma]
    #1181918 - 12/31/02 03:21 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

What kind of Casing did u use?


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Re: Difference? [Re: SixCee]
    #1181934 - 12/31/02 03:40 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I keep reading where casing produce more, wats this all about? If mushrooms grow till the foods gone how can a simple casing(vermiculite) that has no nutritional values produce more mushrooms. maybe an even pinset among a few other benifets, contams not being able to get threw the casing layer. I think people get bulk with poo or adding more nutrients confused as the same thing as casing, in my experience from wat ive read cakes produce the same if doen right add poo(more food) then u get more. just explain how u get more musrooms from a simple vem casing?


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Re: Difference? [Re: SubGen1us]
    #1181936 - 12/31/02 03:43 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

to my knowledge, u dont just use Vermiculite, u use straw or poo or oyster shells to make more nutrients and more area for the shrooms to grow






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Re: Difference? [Re: FocusHawaii]
    #1181938 - 12/31/02 03:45 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

well thats not a simple casing then, sixcee and invisible states that u get more from just a casing. if he had said bulk with poo then i understand but wats up?


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Re: Difference? [Re: FocusHawaii]
    #1181941 - 12/31/02 03:47 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

so a straight verm casing will make no difference? so he should just grow from cakes if theres gonna be no difference? why add all the extra steps?


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Re: Difference? [Re: FocusHawaii]
    #1181942 - 12/31/02 03:48 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

What kind of Casing did u use?




70% coco
20% vermiculite
10% sand (from river)
Calcium Carbonate

The best I never used before.


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Re: Difference? [Re: NSKiller]
    #1181945 - 12/31/02 03:54 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

i think it may make it easier to get maximum fruiting, but if cakes are done right u should get same ammount, if u want more add poo.


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Re: Difference? [Re: SubGen1us]
    #1181961 - 12/31/02 04:06 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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I keep reading where casing produce more, wats this all about? If mushrooms grow till the foods gone how can a simple casing(vermiculite) that has no nutritional values produce more mushrooms. maybe an even pinset among a few other benifets, contams not being able to get threw the casing layer.  I think people get bulk with poo or adding more nutrients confused as the same thing as casing, in my experience from wat ive read cakes produce the same if doen right  add poo(more food) then u get more. just explain how u get more musrooms from a simple vem casing?   




The casing layer retains water and release it when needing to the mycelium for optimum growing. Furthermore the casing give support to the fruit bodies.
Again, you have full control on pre-pinning and pinning procedures, more knots you get, more fruits you will get.
Cakes dry out very easy, mycelium die on top layer and you get less fruit you can get with casing layer.
Of course, if you run wrong pre-pinning procedures, you will get a poor harvest.

Here is some pics where I got my 28 dry grams of B+ (some already harvest):





Byez  :wink:




 


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Re: Difference? [Re: Montezuma]
    #1181969 - 12/31/02 04:15 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

so u basically have better control of things but that still doenst mean u get more.


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Re: Difference? [Re: Montezuma]
    #1181972 - 12/31/02 04:18 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

just because u get more pins doesnt mean u make more nutrient, wat ur saying just doesnt make sence, yah they get water. but water doesnt make more dry grams. u may get more pins but the stuffs still gunna stop when the nutrients run out.


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Re: Difference? [Re: Montezuma]
    #1181975 - 12/31/02 04:20 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Sorry, I wrote 28 grams, I was wrong they actually was "just" 22grams. I've counted 22 + 6 grams from the second flush of the casing on the left (see pics). :blush:


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Re: Difference? [Re: SubGen1us]
    #1181977 - 12/31/02 04:22 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

This is taken directly out of the shroomery's growing FAQ:

Casings can be better than straight cakes because:
1.) They produce larger flushes, both in terms of the size, weight, and gross/net harvest.
2.) They give the hobbyist a better understanding of the mushroom life cycle. Not only for psilocybes, but learning the basic life cycle can introduce the new hobbyist into the world of gourmet and medicinal mushrooms.
3.) Casings are often a "stepping -stone" into further, more discreet and sophisticated methods of mushroom production.


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Re: Difference? [Re: Angry Mycologist]
    #1181978 - 12/31/02 04:27 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

once agin, not trying to be an ass, seriouslty trying to figure this out u come with a statement and not proof, just looking for somethign that says, the non nutritional vermiculite makes more mushrooms because of the ....... fill in the blank. anyone else understand where im coming from.


i understand that its in the faq but i want an answer. i have read the faq and have seen it but thats why im asking the question.


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Re: Difference? [Re: SubGen1us]
    #1181980 - 12/31/02 04:29 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

SubGen1us, I don't wish to contest your opinions. Theorically you are right but there are very big differences between cakes and cased cakes. I don't know if you ever tried to case some cakes to see the difference... Just try and let me know.

If still you get the same results than the cakes alone, then you are running in some wrong procedures.



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Re: Difference? [Re: SubGen1us]
    #1181982 - 12/31/02 04:30 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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vermiculite makes more mushrooms because of the ....... fill in the blank.




Ability to retain water? What happens when you dunk a cake? Yields are usually increased. When you case, you are increasing surface area and giving your crumbled cakes an increased amount of water.


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Re: Difference? [Re: Angry Mycologist]
    #1181984 - 12/31/02 04:31 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

so its just more water then, thats wat u said.


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