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EntheogenicPeace said: Zappa (or some others here) putting themselves in the shoes of someone less fortunate? Not gonna happen in a million years.
I'd love to trade places with an illegal that has a job, it's been 2 years since I've had work, seems that they have it pretty fucking good if they're making $30 a day
I'd really love to trade with one that's getting government aid and lawsuit cash since they shouldnt be here in the first place to be 'discriminated against'
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Re: Immokalee Slavery In Florida [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Re: Immokalee Slavery In Florida [Re: Prisoner#1]
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The Tourist said: Zappa, you seem to be forgetting throughout all your pissy ranting that the reason we have these immigration problems in the first place is that NAFTA has caused thousands and thousands of farmers in Mexico to become homeless and broke because they can't compete with the US multinationals that moved in.
of course... all the automakers that moved to mexico are importing canadians to build the cars, none of that mexican grown produce is being sold in the US, it's all dumped in the ocean
Haha, I don't think you understand. "farmers in Mexico become homeless and[/or] broke" means just that.
So a handful are re-employed by US firms... are you attempting to use that to justify it? Give me a fucking break.
By the way, this same problem is also the primary factor behind the influx of heroin, cocaine and marijuana being grown in and exported from Mexico. If you can't compete in a "legitimate" cash crop market, grow and sell drugs and you might have a chance.
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Re: Immokalee Slavery In Florida [Re: The Tourist]
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The Tourist said: So a handful are re-employed by US firms... are you attempting to use that to justify it? Give me a fucking break.
oh, it's so very terrible for them with their 4% unemployment rate... those poor poor mexicans, all homeless and broke
http://www.latin-focus.com/latinfocus/countries/mexico/mexunemp.htm
so tell us wise one.... with far lower unemployment than the US, other than those ousted by natural disaster, just how many people in mexico are in fact homeless
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Re: Immokalee Slavery In Florida [Re: Prisoner#1]
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This is hilarious. It has been proven that NAFTA has helped the Mexicans far more than it has the Americans. They continue to export more goods than they import, and it has also sent tens of thousands of American jobs south of the border. Even Edwards stated that it was a lie when Clinton told us of the millions of jobs it would create for the American worker, when in fact we have lost tens of thousands south of the border. http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2007-12-08-edwards-nafta_N.htm
I love the b.s which states that Mexicans are only taking the jobs Americans don't want. The stats were something like 70% of all good paying construction jobs were filled by Mexicans. So when Reich stated that he didn't want stim money to go to white construction workers he made teh false assumption that the majority were white, when if fact whites are numerically underrepresented in the field.
Which Mexican loving jackass came up with the euphemism "undocumented worker"? This just perpetuates the fallacy that these poor downtrodden people are simply here to work. They are criminals plain and simple. They broke our laws when they came here illegally and they continue to do so every day they remain. They commit fraud and outright larceny when they collect welfare, housing, health care, education and every other benefit afforded to us citizens. They have put absolutely nothing into the system, but have no problems parasitizing it. We need to call them illegal trespasser's in violation of federal law. I'm surprised that when they rape American citizens they don't call it unrequested intimacy performed by a worker.
Treat others how you want to be treated? I take it they then must want us to illegally come to their country, decrease their property values, leech off their system when their people are in dire need of it, illegally take jobs which could go to their citizens, and of course raise their rates of every type of crime/victimize their citizens, ruin their communities and schools. I'm sorry your country sucks, does that give you the right to come here illegally and attempt to ruin ours? Who makes their country a crime ridden, illiterate shit hole of not the people themselves?
Why is it that in some counties in Cali. 95% of all outstanding warrants for murder are issued for illegals? If they just came here to work then why are their incarceration rates so high? If they are so busy working then where do they get the time to commit rape, murder, assault etc. at such disproportionate rates against American citizens? Why are there so many gangs made up of illegals? Study after study has proven they cost us as a nation far more than they provide in taxes.
Why is it that during this time of great economic hardship for our citizens they are able to receive financial benefits derived from all of us? Why the hell should my tax dollars go to an illegals free health care when many American have to work for their own? There have been thousands of American citizens that have lost their jobs and were unable to get into public housing due to the fact many illegals have taken up their limited availability. Last year we had senior citizens here that literally froze to death in their houses. They could not afford the cost of their utilities, they had them shut off without notice and they literally froze to death. These are people that helped build this country, fought it wars, and yet they were repaid by being allowed to freeze to death while these fucking illegals get free utilities and housing at the peril of our own people. I hope Obamas aunt sleeps well tonight in her heated apt. eating her food we all paid for.
If someone attempts to break into my house to steal my $500 television I have the right to shoot them dead. So when these parasites attempt to cross our borders illegally, soon to reap the rewards of our social system of potentially hundreds of thousands of dollars why should border patrol not have the right to kill these bastards? They should kill them, set up Auschwitz style dessication chambers to dry their bodies and send them to seniors to burn for fuel.
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Re: Immokalee Slavery In Florida [Re: Therian]
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Therian said: This is hilarious. It has been proven that NAFTA has helped the Mexicans far more than it has the Americans. They continue to export more goods than they import, and it has also sent tens of thousands of American jobs south of the border. Even Edwards stated that it was a lie when Clinton told us of the millions of jobs it would create for the American worker, when in fact we have lost tens of thousands south of the border.
It MAY have been better for "the Mexicans" (meaning "Mexican corporations"), but this is irrelevant right now. I'm not making comparisons. I'm talking about the millions of agricultural workers, mostly from the south, who were driven off their land by foreign multinational competition and, probably more significantly, by the massively subsidized US corn that flooded into Mexico.
Of course it has been shitty for US citizens too, despite it being purported to have been a good plan for "Americans" (meaning US corporations). It caused tons of outsourcing, as was expected by anybody with a brain.
By the way, I don't care what John Edwards said. He is a politician.
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Therian said: I love the b.s which states that Mexicans are only taking the jobs Americans don't want. The stats were something like 70% of all good paying construction jobs were filled by Mexicans.
Uhhh, source??? Hopefully your source will define "good paying", and differentiate Mexican, Colombian, Guatemalan, Honduran, etc. workers. I'm surprised that only Mexicans took these construction jobs. ("Mexicans" doesn't equal "brown-culured spaynish talkers")
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Therian said: Which Mexican loving jackass came up with the euphemism "undocumented worker"? This just perpetuates the fallacy that these poor downtrodden people are simply here to work. They are criminals plain and simple.
I don't know why you bring up the phrase with me-- i didn't use it. But are you trying to say that undocumented workers DIDN'T come here to work, and instead came here in order to become criminals? Interesting theory.
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Therian said: They broke our laws when they came here illegally and they continue to do so every day they remain. They commit fraud and outright larceny when they collect welfare, housing, health care, education and every other benefit afforded to us citizens. They have put absolutely nothing into the system, but have no problems parasitizing it. We need to call them illegal trespasser's in violation of federal law.
Yeah, they broke our laws but, contrary to common belief, they actually DO contribute to our system. They contribute very much. First of all, they provide labor, and certain significant sectors of our economy would fail instantly were illegals to all pack up and leave. Secondly, many of them DO in fact pay taxes out of their paychecks, and this overall payment actually makes up for the gap in the social security budget. http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/ss/related/82731
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Therian said: I take it they then must want us to illegally come to their country, decrease their property values, leech off their system when their people are in dire need of it, illegally take jobs which could go to their citizens, and of course raise their rates of every type of crime/victimize their citizens, ruin their communities and schools.
Regardless of the fact that most of that was hearsay or racism, it's not the issue i brought up. I was talking about the US policies that cause millions of Mexicans (not to mention other Latin Americans) to illegally enter the US to find work, out of desperation. Yes, we should treat others how we want to be treated, namely by not enacting legislation that destroys peoples' lives.
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Therian said: Why is it that in some counties in Cali. 95% of all outstanding warrants for murder are issued for illegals? If they just came here to work then why are their incarceration rates so high? If they are so busy working then where do they get the time to commit rape, murder, assault etc. at such disproportionate rates against American citizens? Why are there so many gangs made up of illegals? Study after study has proven they cost us as a nation far more than they provide in taxes.
Source for the laughable 95% statistic? Source for disproportionate violent crime rates? You should really check out these quick debunked myths, about halfway down the page. http://www.michiganpeaceworks.org/node/609
And please post a link to one of these "studies" that has decided that the way to measure an immigrant's "worth" is by measuring their tax payments. You make me giggle.
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Therian said: Why is it that during this time of great economic hardship for our citizens they are able to receive financial benefits derived from all of us? Why the hell should my tax dollars go to an illegals free health care when many American have to work for their own?
Again, they actually are paying for these services.
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Therian said: If someone attempts to break into my house to steal my $500 television I have the right to shoot them dead. So when these parasites attempt to cross our borders illegally, soon to reap the rewards of our social system of potentially hundreds of thousands of dollars why should border patrol not have the right to kill these bastards? They should kill them, set up Auschwitz style dessication chambers to dry their bodies and send them to seniors to burn for fuel.
Aside from the fact that you are a fucking psychopath, what you're oh-so-reasonably calling for is actually unconstitutional. All people LIVING IN THE US, not just "legal citizens," are protected by the US constitution. And thank goodness for it, otherwise sickos like you could actually cause some fucked up stuff to go down.
Check yo' racism, and have a nice day
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Re: Immokalee Slavery In Florida [Re: Prisoner#1]
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The Tourist said: So a handful are re-employed by US firms... are you attempting to use that to justify it? Give me a fucking break.
oh, it's so very terrible for them with their 4% unemployment rate... those poor poor mexicans, all homeless and broke
http://www.latin-focus.com/latinfocus/countries/mexico/mexunemp.htm
so tell us wise one.... with far lower unemployment than the US, other than those ousted by natural disaster, just how many people in mexico are in fact homeless
Many (most?) of the people without jobs are here. Many of them were farmers producing corn when NAFTA hit them and flooded their markets with highly subsidized US corn (against all "free-trade" principles, by the way) and forced them to leave. A lack of welfare programs means they're kinda fucked if they stay. NAFTA made this problem WAYY bigger, so if we're going to have any kind of rational plan to solve it, it should include repealing NAFTA and then dealing with it further.
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Re: Immokalee Slavery In Florida [Re: The Tourist]
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The Tourist said: Zappa, you seem to be forgetting throughout all your pissy ranting that the reason we have these immigration problems in the first place is that NAFTA has caused thousands and thousands of farmers in Mexico to become homeless and broke because they can't compete with the US multinationals that moved in. I'd LOVE to know what your reaction would be if you were a Mexican farmer in this situation; especially one living near the US border...
Ummm bullshit. First of all, a little history lesson for you. NAFTA was ratified in 1994. We have had an illegal immigrant problem for far longer than that and Mexico has been a hopeles shithole for far longer than that. The Immigration Reform and Control Act was passed in 1986 whihc recognized th vast problem of illegal immigration and establshed penalties for employers who hire illegals and also granted amnesty for over 2 million already here illegally. Secondly, Mexico is not the only source of illegal immigrants. 43% come from other countries not affected by NAFTA at all. That number rises sharply in areas not directly on the Mexican border and includes large numbers from India, China and the Phillipines. Thirdly you make the assertion that NAFTA is harming........Mexico? Usually the anti NAFTA nuts argue it is harming America. Both sides are wrong. NAFTA has a positive effect on all countres involved.Quote:
Remember when you were 5 and your parents told you to stand in someone else's shoes? It's not an irrelevant concept just because you learned it when you were young.
Maybe, instead of running away from their responsibilities they should stay and, I don't know, build their own fucking country. Isn't America providing a dis-service to Mexico by absorbing those people who are willing to take risks and to work hard to better themselves? Who might otherwise devote their energies to making Mexico a better place instead of concentrating their efforts on the lawns of wealthy Americans? Ahh, what the hell, let's let them all in. Then there will be no problems in Mexico. And everywhere else. Right?Quote:
By the way, you seem to be saying that because *their* home countries are "relentless shitholes" they no longer have the right to rationally desire working somewhere better to feed their families. Cuz, ya know, it's their fault. And stuff. Right?
They do not have the "right" to invade other countries contrary to the laws of those countries simply because their homelands are poorer. If such an absurdity were true the population of the US would be in the billions.
Further, if, as the OP asserted, they are nothing but slaves shouldn't they then just go home? Which way is it? Are they exploited slaves or are they willng participants? You and the OP should maybe get together and figure that one out.
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Those two might not be but their grand children could maybe use the job. At a market determined wage based on the number of people willing to perform the work rather than one illegaly and artificially depressed by the number of law breaking sneaks working under the table.
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What the fuck are you talking about? Nobody is forcing anybody to do anything.
Lol, you're a idiot... I didn't say anything about "forcing."
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To suggest that it is not business interests is very ignorant, as if they themselves (the migrant workers) have the money & power to compel employers to hire them & politicians to stand idly by unable to regulate.
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And no, actually they can't get much work on commercial buildings.
That would be even more ironic, then, if they were building houses. then people would be directly supporting them being here, instead of indirectly through big business.
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Do you have any fucking idea of what the real world is at all or do you just struggle through Julio Cesar Chavez's memoirs for imaginary grievances?
I spoken with & interacted with a very diverse group of people in my life, not just from within the U.S. but also around the world, & know that my views of access to adequate nutrition clean water, quality health-care & housing, educational opportunities, and personal & job security being a human right for everyone on earth is more commonplace than that of the contrary.
Access? You think that access to job security is a basic human right? Do you also realize that access just means there is the availability of a comodity and not the free supply of it? How about a car? People need cars to get to work. Let's give them cars. And telephones and cable TV. I have also spoken with a very diverse group of people throughout my life. Almost none of them agree with your manifesto.Quote:
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They can always fuck off and go back to the shitholes from whence they came if they don't fucking like it here
You're always saying that the it's the "losers" within capitalist societies who want government to step in & protect them from the market by altering to their favor more than it otherwise would be. Apparently, you don't much like competition & want a big government to put an end to it (assuming you support deportation.) Loser.
I have no problem with competition. I have a probelm with illegal immigrants who sneak across our borders, do not pay taxes, suck up our costly social service programs that would otherwise go to lawful citizens and workers, depress wages for the same, and cut in line in front of lawfull immigrants who go through the legal channels for admittance.
I absolutely support deportation. Don't you? After all, they're "slaves". Isn't it our duty to repatriate these poor slaves?
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Re: Immokalee Slavery In Florida [Re: The Tourist]
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The Tourist said: So a handful are re-employed by US firms... are you attempting to use that to justify it? Give me a fucking break.
oh, it's so very terrible for them with their 4% unemployment rate... those poor poor mexicans, all homeless and broke
http://www.latin-focus.com/latinfocus/countries/mexico/mexunemp.htm
so tell us wise one.... with far lower unemployment than the US, other than those ousted by natural disaster, just how many people in mexico are in fact homeless
Many (most?) of the people without jobs are here. Many of them were farmers producing corn when NAFTA hit them and flooded their markets with highly subsidized US corn (against all "free-trade" principles, by the way) and forced them to leave. A lack of welfare programs means they're kinda fucked if they stay. NAFTA made this problem WAYY bigger, so if we're going to have any kind of rational plan to solve it, it should include repealing NAFTA and then dealing with it further.
no doubt NAFTA has caused problems, those problems are on both sides of the border though, but even through your posturing on how horrible the conditions are you've not given any accounting for the number of homeless... well let me tell you about Mexico City, there are 9 million people in mexico city, they have 50,000 homeless, lets give a comparison to a major US city, Atlanta with only 3 million people and 50,000 homeless... 4 years ago, the homeless in Atlanta was 32,000
oh, those poor jobless, homeless mexicans
so I have you telling me that many of those homeless came to the US, well, they're obviously not homeless in mexico since they're here working jobs that american could be working, taking money that americans could be using to have a place to live
now unlike most people, I dont believe we should deport all the illegal aliens, they'll just gather a few friends in mexico and cross right back over the border, I believe they should be used for paving material, something to provide a solid foundation for a 30 foot concrete wall along the border, dead illegals cant hop fences, they cant rape your children or boost the crime rate
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Oh yeah, one other thing. How come these people aren't charging the gates in the socialist workers paradises in Venezuela and Bolivia?
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Re: Immokalee Slavery In Florida [Re: The Tourist]
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The Tourist said: Yeah, they broke our laws but, contrary to common belief, they actually DO contribute to our system. They contribute very much. First of all, they provide labor, and certain significant sectors of our economy would fail instantly were illegals to all pack up and leave.
they contribute to our crime, many of the robberies, murders, illegal drugs and the violence that goes with it can be attributed to illegal aliens, and of course the contribute to the economy, they eat chicken feet and tortillas, send all their money back to mexico in order to provide money for the rest of their families to hop the border, oh, those illegals contribute so much to our society... and it's destruction
and are they paying into the tax system? well of course, they're paing in through someone elses information, they use the SSN of others in order to establish credit, fuck that up for them and then move on to the next, a dozen will use one SSN to get jobs which in turn has the actual SSN holder all screwed up for years with their taxes
you say that many industries would fail immediately without illegal labor, which industries would those be? the same industries that have steadily increased prices while using that cheap mexican/guatamalan labor to boost the profit margin? a poultry plant in south georgia was raided by immigration a couple of years ago, 90% of the employees were deported, they put ads in the papers seeking to reopen with a new staff, set their wage at something competitive for the market and they were flooded with applications of americans that wanted to do the jobs that they claimed americans wouldnt do, 1100 applications to fill 300 jobs
so maybe the fact on that is that americans wont do the jobs for less than minimum wage like the illegal aliens will, of course you state that the employers want them here and you're right, many want that cheap labor, those employers should be subject to huge fines, $100k per illegal, they should be subjected to jail time for treason among other charges, their businesses should be handed over to the american employees in the form of stocks to give those americans more incentive to make the company successful
Secondly, many of them DO in fact pay taxes out of their paychecks, and this overall payment actually makes up for the gap in the social security budget. http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/ss/related/82731
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Regardless of the fact that most of that was hearsay or racism
Check yo' racism, and have a nice day 
racism doesnt work when you consider that most of the legal immigrants in this nation dont want them here either, at least not through the means in which they come, they com in bringing crime and disease, there's no background checks, no health screening, they are not required to have a marketable skill like the legal immigrants
your claims trivialize actual racism when the fact is people in the US are looking for the same thing that these illegals want, a better life for themselves, they want a job and home that illegals are pushing them out of...
so where's all the statistics to back up the crap you claim
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Re: Immokalee Slavery In Florida [Re: zappaisgod]
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Re: Immokalee Slavery In Florida [Re: Therian]
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So you think I should not be allowed to fire somebody who is relentlessly incompetent and ill-suited for their job? How utterly fascist of you.
How do you know what the vast majority of woment think? Hundreds of millions of them would be stoned for speaking up.
By the way, the rest of the planet can do whatever the fuck it wants. The more it adopts your backwards policies the less able to compete it is. Good for me. Thaks in advance for helping make the rest of the world lees competitive.
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Re: Immokalee Slavery In Florida [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappa the idea that working people should have at minimum have a living wage is not the same as saying incompetent people shouldnt be fired.
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Was I responding to you? He posited some interesting new global human rights. I reject them.
What is a living wage? Should everybody be guaranteed enough income to support a stay at home spouse and two children? What if they are completely lazy, incompetent wastes of space with 4 children? Should I still have to pay them "enough"? Must that include enough for cell service and cable? Internet? Surely these things are essential, no? Fuck that.
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So you think I should not be allowed to fire somebody who is relentlessly incompetent and ill-suited for their job?
Uh... no; they should do a job that they can do/learn & have the desire to do. If they have the opportunity for a job that pays a living wage but don't want it, then of course they should fend for themselves (the exception being those who are genuinely unable due to physical and/or mental problems, in which all civilized people believe that they should be aided as needed).
Lots of people all over the country want to do jobs they aren't qualified for. And lots of people all over the country are only qualified to do jobs they don't really want to do. Should they be guaranteed employment if they find out they dont like the job they have and want to move on? What a Child's Garden of Work you live in. Let's all have FUN! Whee!Quote:
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How do you know what the vast majority of women think?
What a vain attempt to deflect acknowledging the obvious... that the vast majority of women (& men) around the world want to have access to adequate food & clean water, sufficient housing, personal & job security, & educational for their children. Ever listened to the guy, Greg Mortenson, a great humanitarian who has written Three Cups of Tea, speak about his experiences in the remote parts of Afpak with his charitable work in terms of building schools, particularly in regards to the views & desires of the women there? Probably not, because that would involve broadening your horizons & understanding the perspectives of "alien" people.
Anything else they want? Job security? Nope. Nobody gets that. It isn't even a good thing to have. Else why try? They had job security in the USSR. That didn't work out real well. They didn't have any job freedom, either.
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Re: Immokalee Slavery In Florida [Re: zappaisgod]
#11848299 - 01/17/10 05:07 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Edited by EntheogenicPeace (01/04/22 06:52 PM)
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