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Re: weaponry [Re: cyber.g]
    #11852512 - 01/18/10 11:42 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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Best choice for home defense hands down is a pump action shotgun...the sound of shucking a shell into the chamber is scary enough, and as far as aim is concerned, if your close, you hit them, lastly, no chance of it going through the wall and into someone else...i recommend a mossberg 500 or remington 590...




While I dont necessarily disagree with your recommendation - it's not quite so cut and dry.

The Box of Truth: The Shotgun

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Lessons learned:
1. Notice that the #4 and #1 Buck penetrated 6 boards. In previous tests, 9mm, .45 ACP, and M-193 out of an AR all penetrated all 12 boards.

So, it seems that these loads do not "over-penetrate" as much as some have led us to believe.

The 00 Buck penetrated 8 boards, but was stopped by the 9th. Still not as much penetration as the pistol or rifle loads.

The slug penetrated all 12 boards.

2. Once again, please notice the size of the entrance spreads....2 1/2" to 3 1/2". Therefore, anyone that says, "With a shotgun, you don't even have to aim. Just point it in the general area of the bad guy, and you can't miss", does not know what they are talking about.

You can very easily miss with a shotgun. You must aim to hit your target.

3. The slugs were "bad" penetrators. By that, I mean that they will penetrate several interior walls. If you have loved ones in your home, consider this as you select your home defense weapon.

4. I "racked" the shotgun several times during the tests, and no bystanders lost control of their bowels.
Conclusion: Racking a shotgun will not make the bad guy faint.




Even #4 buck will go through 3 interior walls before stopping.  00 buck will go through 4, and thats likely what you'd load for self defense.  Youre still going to kill anyone unfortunate enough to be behind that gun no matter what room they are in in your house. 

However an AK47 will go through most exterior walls without even slowing... so you might kill a couple neighbors in addition to just your roommates.

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Re: weaponry [Re: Cascadian]
    #11852560 - 01/18/10 11:52 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

okay, so what's a good shell for a shotgun that's harmless, as far as penetration/stopping power

actually, now im thinking of getting less lethal rounds, such as rubber pellets/bean bags.

Does the owner need a special shotgun or can it be any without damaging the weapon?

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Re: weaponry [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #11852672 - 01/18/10 12:15 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Remington 870 with 00 buck is my choice. 
Full auto for home defense is not practical at all; unless you live in Afghanistan.  Have you ever shot a full auto AK or SKS? If you did you wouldn't be asking.  Long guns make good home defense weapons as long over penetration isn't an issue.  You'll have much more control on semi auto.  You can still fire a round as fast as you can pull the trigger.  Plus if you ever have to use it in self defense when the cops show up your not facing federal charges for the full auto.  Private citizens can obtain a federal firearms license which would allow you to posses a full auto AK; but it's not likely the FBI would let you have one.


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Re: weaponry [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #11852784 - 01/18/10 12:37 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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okay, so what's a good shell for a shotgun that's harmless, as far as penetration/stopping power

actually, now im thinking of getting less lethal rounds, such as rubber pellets/bean bags.

Does the owner need a special shotgun or can it be any without damaging the weapon?




Anything that wont blow through a wall in your house isnt going to effectively stop a threat.

They make rubber slugs I think - any 12 gauge without a choke could take those.

All youre gonna do is blow the bad guy down and make him angrier.

If he has a gun, you can be sure hes gonna use it now.

Not to mention a shot in the eye or heart would probably still kill someone.

If you arent committed to KILLING somebody who threatens your life, dont even THINK about buying a gun and showing a bad guy youve got one.

If you have cause to kill someone and can prove that using your firearm was your only way out of the situation, you probably wont go to jail.  Youll still have to face a lot of legal bills to prove it and keep you out of jail though.

Say someone breaks into your house, unarmed.  You freak out and kill them.  Theres a serious chance youre going to jail.

Say that guy is armed.  You yell 'i've got a gun motherfucker!' and you hit him in the leg with a bean bag.  You're dead.

The only good a gun does you in a self defense scenario is when you are in control of the situation and you KNOW you HAVE to use it, and you are ABLE to use it effectively.  That generally means killing someone so they 1: dont shoot back and 2: dont testify against you later.

Can you handle that?

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Re: weaponry [Re: Cascadian]
    #11853083 - 01/18/10 01:24 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

you're right, but i would ratherly disable someone then assess the threat with a back-up weapon if i was to disable someone with the beanbag.

so, once again, what's an ideal shot for home-defense, without threatening the life of others?

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Re: weaponry [Re: Cascadian]
    #11854062 - 01/18/10 04:11 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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Say that guy is armed.  You yell 'i've got a gun motherfucker!' and you hit him in the leg with a bean bag.  You're dead.





I don't think a bad guy would notice that its a bean bag until he was far away.  He would think he got shot and would get out of there real fast. 

I'd load the first 2 shots with non-lethal rounds, then the rest of them with real lead.  Best of both worlds.

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Re: weaponry [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #11854082 - 01/18/10 04:14 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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Say that guy is armed.  You yell 'i've got a gun motherfucker!' and you hit him in the leg with a bean bag.  You're dead.





I don't think a bad guy would notice that its a bean bag until he was far away.  He would think he got shot and would get out of there real fast. 

I'd load the first 2 shots with non-lethal rounds, then the rest of them with real lead.  Best of both worlds.



we have a winner folks.

Me and my roomate both had .357's and we'd load a round of rat shot as the first shot, then a .38 special round, then the rest with .357 gold-dots.

Chances are you won't have to kill anyone.


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Re: weaponry [Re: Mchaggis]
    #11854111 - 01/18/10 04:18 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

an ak-47 would be illegal with a drum clip, even if it was semi-auto? im trying to get some things here straight.

by the way, how does one practice shooting? I know gun ranges are ideal, but are there any other places?

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Re: weaponry [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #11854686 - 01/18/10 05:39 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Shooting is allowed in many national forests.

Also you can camp for free anywhere there.

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    #11854693 - 01/18/10 05:40 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I dont think drum clips are illegal


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Re: weaponry [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #11854879 - 01/18/10 06:01 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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Cascadian said:
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Best choice for home defense hands down is a pump action shotgun...the sound of shucking a shell into the chamber is scary enough, and as far as aim is concerned, if your close, you hit them, lastly, no chance of it going through the wall and into someone else...i recommend a mossberg 500 or remington 590...




While I dont necessarily disagree with your recommendation - it's not quite so cut and dry.

The Box of Truth: The Shotgun

Quote:

Lessons learned:
1. Notice that the #4 and #1 Buck penetrated 6 boards. In previous tests, 9mm, .45 ACP, and M-193 out of an AR all penetrated all 12 boards.

So, it seems that these loads do not "over-penetrate" as much as some have led us to believe.

The 00 Buck penetrated 8 boards, but was stopped by the 9th. Still not as much penetration as the pistol or rifle loads.

The slug penetrated all 12 boards.

2. Once again, please notice the size of the entrance spreads....2 1/2" to 3 1/2". Therefore, anyone that says, "With a shotgun, you don't even have to aim. Just point it in the general area of the bad guy, and you can't miss", does not know what they are talking about.

You can very easily miss with a shotgun. You must aim to hit your target.

3. The slugs were "bad" penetrators. By that, I mean that they will penetrate several interior walls. If you have loved ones in your home, consider this as you select your home defense weapon.

4. I "racked" the shotgun several times during the tests, and no bystanders lost control of their bowels.
Conclusion: Racking a shotgun will not make the bad guy faint.




Even #4 buck will go through 3 interior walls before stopping.  00 buck will go through 4, and thats likely what you'd load for self defense.  Youre still going to kill anyone unfortunate enough to be behind that gun no matter what room they are in in your house. 

However an AK47 will go through most exterior walls without even slowing... so you might kill a couple neighbors in addition to just your roommates.




I am not so worried about the people in my home, as in the horrible instance i ever actually had to use it for defense, i would most certainly think before shooting in the direction of my wife/kids room, im more worried about penetration to outside my home and then to inside my neighbors, which with the brick houses our neighborhood is made of, is not going to happen...now if some guy happens to be standing right next to my wall at the same time, then it may be different... 

Next, the part about being scared by the sound, im not going for fainting (thats just stupid), im going for thief at the back door, me in my room, get gun ready, make a loud enough noise that he actually can hear it, and he runs away, not loses his bowels...thats just ridiculous.  And yes, you have to aim, as i stated, if your close (i did not in any way go in depth about how close, types of choke, whether u use birdshot vs. a slug, etc.) you can hit them, especially down a hallway, with the right choke and some birdshot.  Lastly, i agree with everyone of his points, though he makes them like a douche.
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okay, so what's a good shell for a shotgun that's harmless, as far as penetration/stopping power

actually, now im thinking of getting less lethal rounds, such as rubber pellets/bean bags.

Does the owner need a special shotgun or can it be any without damaging the weapon?




Anything that wont blow through a wall in your house isnt going to effectively stop a threat.

They make rubber slugs I think - any 12 gauge without a choke could take those.

All youre gonna do is blow the bad guy down and make him angrier.

If he has a gun, you can be sure hes gonna use it now.

Not to mention a shot in the eye or heart would probably still kill someone.

If you arent committed to KILLING somebody who threatens your life, dont even THINK about buying a gun and showing a bad guy youve got one.

If you have cause to kill someone and can prove that using your firearm was your only way out of the situation, you probably wont go to jail.  Youll still have to face a lot of legal bills to prove it and keep you out of jail though.

Say someone breaks into your house, unarmed.  You freak out and kill them.  Theres a serious chance youre going to jail.

Say that guy is armed.  You yell 'i've got a gun motherfucker!' and you hit him in the leg with a bean bag.  You're dead.

The only good a gun does you in a self defense scenario is when you are in control of the situation and you KNOW you HAVE to use it, and you are ABLE to use it effectively.  That generally means killing someone so they 1: dont shoot back and 2: dont testify against you later.

Can you handle that?




You are totally right.  Having a gun and not being willing to kill someone with it is not a good idea.  Say the burglar didn't think you were home, and is just some unarmed guy wanting to take what he can carry, you pull a gun on him, and if you aren't willing to use it and he catches onto that, he may just take it from you, and now he is armed, and you are dead.  And yes, shooting someone that is unarmed can always land you in some trouble up to murder charges, the amount of trouble can differ on the state and judge/jury...luckily, here in Texas, i have seen most cases this not be a problem.  There was a case in my town recently where a man discovered his neighbors house being robbed, called the police, then went to take care of the situation himself.  When he went in one of the two men ran at him, he shot him twice with his handgun, the other man ran.  The man he shot later died, and the man that did the shooting was charged, but got all charges dropped and had the judge thank him for his civil duty.  Apparently this thief had been robbing lots of places, and when they searched his car, he had all kinds of guns in it, though wasn't armed at the time.
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an ak-47 would be illegal with a drum clip, even if it was semi-auto? im trying to get some things here straight.

by the way, how does one practice shooting? I know gun ranges are ideal, but are there any other places?




Not necessarily, depends on the state and laws at the time.  A few years back, that would be illegal anywhere in the country, but now that the assault weapons ban has expired, here, its just fine to have that if i wanted in my state, may be different elsewhere, i do not know.  Gun ranges or out of the city limits with good backing and plenty of area where you know you can't accidently hit anyone are about the only places.

As far as loads, i have 1 shell of 9 birdshot, followed by some tactical shells known as 'pitbull' (its 4 rounds of 00 buck with a one ounce slug behind it) loaded when at home.

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Re: weaponry [Re: supra]
    #11854919 - 01/18/10 06:05 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

so, anyone wouldn't be needing a license for a shotgun/rifle, only handguns?

so, how would someone go about buying a weapon, just walk in show them ID, do paperwork, and all that?

Edited by Moronicus (01/18/10 06:06 PM)

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Re: weaponry [Re: Moronicus]
    #11855003 - 01/18/10 06:15 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Shotgun/Rifle you walk in with your drivers license (all current with your current address etc.)  You fill out a bunch of paperwork, they make a phone call, you walk out with it 20 minutes later.

Handguns have a 7 day waiting period, but when you go to buy one, again, you just fill out all the paperwork they give you.  Then you go back 7 days later and walk out with it.  You dont have to apply for a permit beforehand or anything.

Actually, I got my sixgun at a gun show - no waiting period and hardly any paperwork whatsoever.  I had to do about 5x the paperwork at Wal-Mart for my .22 as I did for my .357

Now, a concealed carry permit is state by state.  You cant take your handgun anywhere unless its locked in an opaque case or you risk concealed weapon violations.  Or depending on your state, it might be okay for you to walk around with a hip holster, but would be illegal to carry it in a pocket, if you dont have your concealed carry.  Its wacky and its all state by state.

Anyways, you dont need a concealed carry permit to buy a handgun.  If you drive it home from the store and keep it at home, you're set.

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Re: weaponry [Re: Cascadian]
    #11855033 - 01/18/10 06:19 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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Shotgun/Rifle you walk in with your drivers license (all current with your current address etc.)  You fill out a bunch of paperwork, they make a phone call, you walk out with it 20 minutes later.

Handguns have a 7 day waiting period, but when you go to buy one, again, you just fill out all the paperwork they give you.  Then you go back 7 days later and walk out with it.  You dont have to apply for a permit beforehand or anything.

Actually, I got my sixgun at a gun show - no waiting period and hardly any paperwork whatsoever.  I had to do about 5x the paperwork at Wal-Mart for my .22 as I did for my .357

Now, a concealed carry permit is state by state.  You cant take your handgun anywhere unless its locked in an opaque case or you risk concealed weapon violations.  Or depending on your state, it might be okay for you to walk around with a hip holster, but would be illegal to carry it in a pocket, if you dont have your concealed carry.  Its wacky and its all state by state.

Anyways, you dont need a concealed carry permit to buy a handgun.  If you drive it home from the store and keep it at home, you're set.




yeah, shotguns/rifles should be nice and quick, just a short form.  Handgun laws differ on states, both buying and carrying, like here, i can carry one in my glovebox of my car completely legally without a permit, though thats illegal at other places, though i have to have a permit to carry on my body.  Also, there is only a 3 day waiting period for a handgun, and even then, its only if you don't have a concealed carry license, if you do, then you can walk out with one same as a rifle.

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Re: weaponry [Re: Cascadian]
    #11855071 - 01/18/10 06:24 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

what if a person doesn't have a drivers license, will a california ID work? im just curious about laws, im in california as of right now, LA to be exact.

i'm 18 and im just wondering, i want something for self defense if someone was to enter my house unknowingly.

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Re: weaponry [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #11857518 - 01/19/10 02:01 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

get your gun of choice, legal, and also get a few that are hot, so if you kill someone, you can plant a weapon. MAKE SURE YOU WIPE THE FINGERPRINTS though, or your goin to prison for a very long time. oh yeah, some gloves on the invaders hands would help too, just dont ever wear them, latex works wonders.

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    #11858214 - 01/19/10 08:23 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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i'm 18 and im just wondering, i want something for self defense if someone was to enter my house unknowingly.





have to be 21 to buy a handgun.

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Re: weaponry [Re: supra]
    #11870358 - 01/21/10 02:47 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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ahh, well thank you. i just wanted to know if i can get an ak47 for home defense, i can probably find a full-auto no problem, i know a few people...but then again who wants to swiss cheese their own house?




an ak is a horrible choice for Home Defense.  If you shoot somone, chances are it goes through their body, continues to travel into and through your wall, and possibly outside into someone else, into your neighbors house, etc.  Plus, in a time of stress, you would have to spot on in aim, and, as someone asking these questions, I would guess that you probably aren't the best shot yet.

Best choice for home defense hands down is a pump action shotgun...the sound of shucking a shell into the chamber is scary enough, and as far as aim is concerned, if your close, you hit them, lastly, no chance of it going through the wall and into someone else...i recommend a mossberg 500 or remington 590...

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I agree, a shotgun.

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Re: weaponry [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #11882294 - 01/22/10 09:54 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

If it was me, I would use the Taurus Judge. It is a pistol that can shoot Long Colt .45 ammo or a 410 shotgun shell :eek: It is the perfect personal defense weapon

Here is the video about it. 100% legal as a handgun

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4H5GepjBRsM

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Re: weaponry [Re: Cyber]
    #11882866 - 01/22/10 11:13 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

.410 shotgun shell is useless as defense ammo, the taurus judge sucks, if you went on a gun forum they would laugh you out of there. Get a colt 1911 if you want a handgun.

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