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Re: Arizona @ New Orleans [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #11822940 - 01/13/10 03:34 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

You could make a similar argument that overall league success on 2 point conversions has zero relevance to the possible success of any particular team.  What possible mechanism could be occurring?  Well you mentioned one.  Shootouts like that generally occur when both defenses suck and a sucky defense is a bad thing in the playoffs.  Then there might be the residual cockiness factor.  Like I said, the sample size may well be approaching statistical significance.


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Re: Arizona @ New Orleans [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #11822946 - 01/13/10 03:35 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

people use these simpleton statistics to generalize things because they're lazy and dont want to look into the details of each game, matchup, situation, etc etc.


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Re: Arizona @ New Orleans [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #11823078 - 01/13/10 03:52 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Given that people who make a living covering football can't pick games suggests that all that information you speak of is useless.  Even if they do get the inside dope, which almost nobody can, it doesn't really seem to help much.  The bookies are still in business and all they need to do is

Like I said, it may be approaching statistical significance.  Somebody run a T-test.  I forgot how.  It's been 30 years since I took statistics.  It would certainly be foolish to completely ignore it.


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Re: Arizona @ New Orleans [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #11823283 - 01/13/10 04:17 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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Significant to what?  What does scoring 50 points do that makes it improbable to win the next week?




It leaves you fucking sore, that's what. There was some hard hitting going on in that game. Followed by a short week and travel. Versus a very well-rested team.

The Saints are a veteran (read: old) bunch for the most part, and while they made a lot of their wins look easy I think they pushed themselves farther than people realize. I don't buy the momentum business really. The only real problem on offense was that our O line wasn't holding up; linemen were getting hurt and getting blown off the line, Brees was getting knocked down. That's pure physical preparedness and I don't care how in the zone a lineman is, tired is tired and the Saints are fresh.

The defense is kind of another story. Not sure what's going on with the run defense, hopefully the rest will help us on that but Williams had better be thinking about how to fix it. As far as the secondary, Jenkins got beat a lot and McKenzie hasn't been on fire like he was vs. the Pats, not that I fault him one bit. But we have Porter and Greer and that means Sharper can get back to what he does best. They know what to do and as long as Greer is fully recovered the difference should be night and day.


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Re: Arizona @ New Orleans [Re: zappaisgod]
    #11823909 - 01/13/10 05:51 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

i dont know why i'm engaging in a sports discussion with the kind of inane rambling you did earlier in this thread.



but good job of blindly generalizing everything again.  You didn't even listen to my point.




If you're going to blart out statistics about point spreads over a season as to why one team will beat another, you're ignoring so many details like strength of schedule, etc.


It's about as stupid to rely on as saying a name player is different than a player with a "name" .


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Re: Arizona @ New Orleans [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #11823972 - 01/13/10 06:03 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Did you know only one out of 16 teams makes it to the Super Bowl?!  They don't stand a CHANCE!


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Re: Arizona @ New Orleans [Re: cortex]
    #11823981 - 01/13/10 06:03 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

exactly


thank you


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Re: Arizona @ New Orleans [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #11824214 - 01/13/10 06:41 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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i dont know why i'm engaging in a sports discussion with the kind of inane rambling you did earlier in this thread.



but good job of blindly generalizing everything again.  You didn't even listen to my point.




What blind generalization?  That even professional sports followers with more information than you'll ever have can't pick games for shit?  There's nothing blind about that.  It's a fact.
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If you're going to blart out statistics about point spreads over a season as to why one team will beat another, you're ignoring so many details like strength of schedule, etc.




But I didn't.  Did I?
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It's about as stupid to rely on as saying a name player is different than a player with a "name" .




No, it isn't.  But I'm not going to restart that.  Because the man with the gayest avatar ever said we were gay.  At least I think he's a man. 
Look, dippy, all I said was that when you have a sample of nearly 10 games and you observe a result that produces one fifth of what a random distribution would dictate (11% vs 50%) it is definitely something to look at for statistical significance.  Do you know what statistically significant means?  Do you even know what a T-test is?


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Re: Arizona @ New Orleans [Re: cortex]
    #11824234 - 01/13/10 06:44 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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Did you know only one out of 16 teams makes it to the Super Bowl?!  They don't stand a CHANCE!



Did you know that even a top notch team that would win 70% of it's games against other playoff teams has less than a 50% chance of making it to the super Bowl and only about a 35% chance of winning it?


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Re: Arizona @ New Orleans [Re: zappaisgod]
    #11824358 - 01/13/10 07:04 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Did you know 98% of things posted on message boards is complete bullshit?


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Re: Arizona @ New Orleans [Re: cortex]
    #11824419 - 01/13/10 07:18 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I found a spiffy little site that did all the work, all I had to do was enter the data.  I think I did it right.
According to the calculations there is less than a 1% chance that a normal distribution of 9 games would produce the result of 8 losses.  That is to say, we can be 99% sure that there is a statistically significant deleterious effect of scoring 50 points in a playoff game.  Something about scoring 50 points in a playoff game is almost certainly indicative of a weakness that bodes ill for a teams chance of winning the next game.  This test does not determine just how great that weakness is just that there is one.


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Re: Arizona @ New Orleans [Re: cortex]
    #11824433 - 01/13/10 07:20 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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Did you know 98% of things posted on message boards is complete bullshit?



Not mine.  Oh no no no.  Especially not the characterization of the Texas queen's avatar as hopelessly gay.


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Re: Arizona @ New Orleans [Re: zappaisgod]
    #11824474 - 01/13/10 07:24 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

How many teams did you count that had a noticeable weakness to include in your sampling?  How many total teams were sampled?  What is your criteria for 'weakness'?


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Re: Arizona @ New Orleans [Re: jimbotron]
    #11824498 - 01/13/10 07:28 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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Significant to what?  What does scoring 50 points do that makes it improbable to win the next week?




It leaves you fucking sore, that's what. There was some hard hitting going on in that game. Followed by a short week and travel. Versus a very well-rested team.

The Saints are a veteran (read: old) bunch for the most part, and while they made a lot of their wins look easy I think they pushed themselves farther than people realize. I don't buy the momentum business really. The only real problem on offense was that our O line wasn't holding up; linemen were getting hurt and getting blown off the line, Brees was getting knocked down. That's pure physical preparedness and I don't care how in the zone a lineman is, tired is tired and the Saints are fresh.

The defense is kind of another story. Not sure what's going on with the run defense, hopefully the rest will help us on that but Williams had better be thinking about how to fix it. As far as the secondary, Jenkins got beat a lot and McKenzie hasn't been on fire like he was vs. the Pats, not that I fault him one bit. But we have Porter and Greer and that means Sharper can get back to what he does best. They know what to do and as long as Greer is fully recovered the difference should be night and day.




Its about time someone stuck up for the Saints with a legitimate argument.

We'll see how sore the Cards are this weekend.  I don't think they will be.  They pretty much scored at will on Sunday. 

Its good that the Saints are rested and healthy but there is a fine line between rest and rust.  Ask the Colts.


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Re: Arizona @ New Orleans [Re: zappaisgod]
    #11824531 - 01/13/10 07:33 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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But I'm not going to restart that.







of course you're not.


because you looked like a retard once it was clear you had no point.


i caught you contradicting yourself about Darren Sproles and after that you couldn't even explain yourself.


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Re: Arizona @ New Orleans [Re: cortex]
    #11824543 - 01/13/10 07:35 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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How many teams did you count that had a noticeable weakness to include in your sampling?  How many total teams were sampled?  What is your criteria for 'weakness'?




The date were that in 8 out of 9 times a winning team scored 50+ points they lost the next game.  That's the data set.  All of it.  The null hypothesis was no difference, random distribution expected.

Weakness is anything at all that contributes to a failure to win the next game.  It is non-specific.  Like I said, this test does not determine what the actual likelihood is of a team to win the next week, just that there is some effect in play.  Not what or how much or, for that matter, in what direction.  There may actually be a less than 11% chance that the team scoring 50+ will win.


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Re: Arizona @ New Orleans [Re: zappaisgod]
    #11824550 - 01/13/10 07:36 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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The only badass backup with a name LT had is Sproles.





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Sproles isn't a "name" player either. 







go ahead, explain this to me.  I would love to hear just how you didnt "fuck up".


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Re: Arizona @ New Orleans [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #11824621 - 01/13/10 07:46 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

LS, you really gotta learn when to let shit go.


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Re: Arizona @ New Orleans [Re: zorbman]
    #11824634 - 01/13/10 07:48 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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But I'm not going to restart that.







of course you're not.


because you looked like a retard once it was clear you had no point.


i caught you contradicting yourself about Darren Sproles and after that you couldn't even explain yourself.




I explained myself quite clearly.
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A "name" player should be known to the casual fan.




I saw and pretty much agreed with your point all along. By the time the casual fan becomes aware of a player their best years are often behind them. And many teams will overpay for such a player based upon reputation alone.




Only a Poid would fail.  Do you think Darren Sproles is a "name" player?  He's a fucking backup.  As far as Michael Turner goes I don't get the wet drawers at all. He's been in the league for 6 years and gone over 1,000 yards exactly once.


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Re: Arizona @ New Orleans [Re: zappaisgod]
    #11824645 - 01/13/10 07:49 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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I wish i was a sports forum mod because i would bann both of you for 24 hrs
The bann reason would be for "fagg fighting" :crankey:



Ummmm, I don't think somebody with David Gilmour (I think it's Gilmour) impersonating a 14 year old girl in his avatar should be calling anybody else a fag.:sissies:



I am tired of your stupid ass shit in this forum:hi::nignored:

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