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Re: Bowling for Columbine [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1179035 - 12/30/02 07:56 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

But please.... don't ever let facts stand in the way!!!

If you ever state a fact I'll take it into account. Ludicrous and meaningless statistics are not facts. Please try and comprehend this.


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Re: Bowling for Columbine [Re: Xlea321]
    #1179040 - 12/30/02 07:58 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Coming from you thats as funny as it gets.


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Re: Bowling for Columbine [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1179055 - 12/30/02 08:03 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I now realise why 99.9% of your posts are childish insults. When you try and be serious you are truly laughable.


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Re: Bowling for Columbine [Re: Xlea321]
    #1179076 - 12/30/02 08:15 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Obviously you both have differing views on things...but for the sake of the rest of us, could you both please keep your petty insults to yourselves? PM eachother if you need to, but the rest of us shouldn't be subjected to it....this isn't OTD and there's a new Sheriff in town... :smirk:


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Re: Bowling for Columbine [Re: Rono]
    #1179088 - 12/30/02 08:19 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

this isn't OTD and there's a new Sheriff in town... 


Bout damn time.  :wink: 


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Re: Bowling for Columbine [Re: Rono]
    #1179199 - 12/30/02 08:58 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

No problem  :grin:


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Re: Bowling for Columbine [Re: Thor]
    #1179705 - 12/30/02 12:10 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I will say again that a lot of this doesn't have anything to do with the topic of this thread, "Bowling for Columbine", so I will respond to the welfare issues in the thread "Canada and Welfare".

On to the rest.

Thor writes:

But yeah I lock my door, mostly because I treat it like a seatbelt, even though the odds are I'm not going to have to worry about break-ins, I still do it cause why not?

Then why do you think that Americans lock their doors for a different reason?

But I don't worry about crime in my neighbourhood, it rarely crosses my mind because its just so unlikely to happen to me.

I am pleased at your good fortune. There are other neighborhoods where this is not the case. I lived in a neighborhood in Ottawa in the early Seventies where break-and-enter crime was rampant. There were six apartments on the floor where I lived. In the two years I was there, five out of the six were burglarized. Two were burglarized three times. Mine wasn't, but only because there were three of us living there, with at least one of us almost always home. My two room mates dealt dope out of the apartment, so we had excellent (and I mean EXCELLENT) locks. Even so, I had my car broken into three times.

... its often fear, rage, hate, revenge that causes most violent crime.

Rage, hate, and revenge are not the same as "fear".

Those who have no fear of the victims or consequences are often the people we see committ serial crimes.

That's exactly my point. Someone who shoots an intruder out of fear does so exactly once. The predators do it over and over again until they are caught. Once they are released from prison, they take up where they left off.

...most murders are committed by people you know, so that leans towards crimes committed by hate, anger, jealousy, revenge, etc.

I repeat: hate, anger, jealousy and revenge are not the same as "fear". Fear is what you described earlier, somebody sleeping with a gun under the pillow.

Fear definately contributes to that atmosphere.

I shoot a guy because I hate the way he treated my daughter. What has that got to do with fear? I have no fear of him whatsoever -- I simply hate his guts.

I shoot a guy because I am angry at him for firing me from my job. What has that got to do with fear? I have no fear of him at all; he's a little shrimpy jerk. But I'm furious at him for derailing my career.

I shoot a guy because I am jealous of him for stealing my girlfriend. What has that got to do with fear? I am not afraid of him -- he's a wimp and I'm a biker -- I'm just blinded by jealousy.

I shoot a guy to get revenge over him cheating me on a business deal. Fear has nothing to do with it. The guy is a short, fat, bald accountant with glasses as thick as coke bottle bottoms -- how could I possibly be afraid of him? I am however, determined to extract vengence for his behavior.

Yeah but we are speaking of a violent past in a country like the US affecting attitudes today.. Well any country you can bring up has a violent past..

Re-read my comment. The difference is that America revels in its violent past. The American entertainment industry glorifies America's criminals, Germany vilifies theirs.

Okay, now head on over to the "Canada and Welfare" thread for my responses to your other points.

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Re: Bowling for Columbine [Re: Phred]
    #1180483 - 12/30/02 08:01 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Jealousy over girlfriends is about fear. Fear of being unwanted, fear of not finding another woman etc. Most of the other things you mention are about fear too.


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Re: Bowling for Columbine [Re: Xlea321]
    #1180498 - 12/30/02 08:10 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

What I think it comes down to is the media sensationalism inspires fear, and fear inspires people to get handguns, which they keep loaded and in close reach, in case there's an intruder or something. Then, one day a fight breaks out and it gets ugly, and in a rage they grab the loaded gun. This is different than the way a hunter would keep his hunting rifle. A hunter would most likely keep his hunting rifle in the closet and his ammo in a drawer, so if he was going to shoot someone it would take more time and therefore he'd have more time to think about it before doing something irrational.


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Re: Bowling for Columbine [Re: silversoul7]
    #1180600 - 12/30/02 08:58 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

silversoul7, there's no reason not to be armed at home. I keep a loaded revolver next to my bed and a shotgun under it. there are several million burglaries every year and as the old boy scout that I am my motto is "Be Prepared". It's better to have a gun handy and not need it then to need it and not have it. Also, if someone knocks on my door at 3 AM I will have a loaded gun in my waist and peek out. If necessary I would use the gun in protection and retreat to my bedroom for the 12 guage.

BTW, as I type this I have a loaded Ruger .45 within two feet of me in easy reach.


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