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 GazzBut
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 Re: reasons TO hate corporate america  [Re: Phred]
#1194575 - 01/06/03 03:16 AM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well as suggested I thought id have a little look see on Google, especially after your fallacious comments made about the UK coal industry.
Seems Townes worked for Bell during the second world war but was actually at Columbia university when he performed the experiments on Maser's for which he later won the Noble Prize..
Source: http://www.invent.org/hall_of_fame/146.html
Call me silly but I beleive that Universities doing reasearch such as this are definitely "looked after" by the government, as it is in their interest. This would sort of back up Alex's claim I suppose. I dont have any evidence to back this claim up yet so Im not going to parade it around as if its a hard fact. 
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Re: reasons TO hate corporate america [Re: GazzBut]
#1194598 - 01/06/03 03:31 AM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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well it didnt take long in the end....
Another quote from the web: "Some friends called the laboratory in which the Townes (1954) group had been working for two years on the device and tried to insist that Townes stop this nonsense and wastage of government money, they had by then spent about $30,000 of the grant money. After the first successful operation of the microwave laser, Townes, Gordon and some other students came up with the name M.A.S.E.R. : Microwave Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation. (sceptics still made fun of them and read it as : Means of Acquiring Support for Expensive Research !)
Townes, Basov and Prokhorov won the Nobel Prize in 1964 for their work on both microwave and optical lasers."
oooooh dear Government money is all over it pinky! Quick get the brush and lift the carpet eh??
Source: http://home.achilles.net/~jtalbot/history/ammonia.html
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Re: reasons TO hate corporate america [Re: GazzBut]
#1194614 - 01/06/03 03:43 AM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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oooooh dear Government money is all over it pinky! Quick get the brush and lift the carpet eh??
Same as it ever was...
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Re: reasons TO hate corporate america [Re: GazzBut]
#1194775 - 01/06/03 11:57 AM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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oooooh dear Government money is all over it pinky! Quick get the brush and lift the carpet eh??
LMFAO 
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Re: reasons TO hate corporate america [Re: GazzBut]
#1195746 - 01/06/03 05:42 PM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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oooooh dear Government money is all over it pinky! Quick get the brush and lift the carpet eh??
Thank you for providing the link. I was in error, then, to include lasers in my first list. Scratch one from the quick list of thirty technological advances I provided. We are left with twenty-nine (out of a possible list of thousands) of technological advances which occurred with no funds from the taxpayer, despite Alex's claim that "Nah, there really isn't any technological advancements that weren't funded massively by the taxpayer."
Here is an amended list of technological developments that disprove his claim: the steam engine, gasoline engine, diesel engine, Wankel engine, alternating current, electrical generators, batteries, aniline dyes, synthetic fibers, radio, television, telescopes, microscopes, elevators, power looms, the discovery of the germ theory of disease, artificial hearts, the pacemaker, the lightbulb, the telephone, the record player, the floppy disk drive, velcro, the zipper, video games, the Walkman, the cell phone, peanut butter, the discovery of insulin...
The truth is that technological advances occurred long before governments started using tax dollars to fund research, and the majority of new technology is still developed privately. Note that I don't deny that technological advances are made by researchers using mainly tax dollars to fund their efforts -- of course there are. But I repeat that to say "there really isn't ANY" technological advance made by private efforts is incorrect.
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Re: reasons TO hate corporate america [Re: Phred]
#1195795 - 01/06/03 06:06 PM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thank you for providing the link. I was in error, then, to include lasers in my first list.
LMAO!!
Why should we trust anything you say? You insisted mcdonalds "have never recieved a DIME in public money". You were proved wrong. You made a length post dismissing the idea that lasers had recieved public money. You were proved wrong. Your posts are clearly a waste of bandwidth.
It's YOUR responsibility to have some backup to your claims. Don't just make up bullshit lists in the hope you'll get away with one or two. Try and make a detailed case preferably with sources. Then you might be taken seriously. Clearly your own knowledge of the subject is completly worthless.
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Re: reasons TO hate corporate america [Re: Phred]
#1195861 - 01/06/03 06:33 PM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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technological developments
You sure radio has never had any government input? synthetic fibres? microscopes? You'll need to back a lot of those up before we can think of taking anything you say except with an enormous pinch of salt.
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Re: reasons TO hate corporate america [Re: Xlea321]
#1195936 - 01/06/03 06:58 PM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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Alex123 writes:
Why should we trust anything you say? You insisted mcdonalds "have never recieved a DIME in public money". You were proved wrong. You made a length post dismissing the idea that lasers had recieved public money. You were proved wrong. Your posts are clearly a waste of bandwidth.
Actually, the public money went to MASERs, the precursors to lasers. But since I believe the two are so similar, I conceded the point.
I predicted you would react this way, Alex: You will then gleefully dismiss the dozens of other non-taxpayer-funded technological advances I listed as being irrelevant, since you have "proved pinky is a liar".
One of your standard tactics is to nitpick and to evade the principle being discussed, either because you are honestly too dim to think in abstract principles or because you are too craven to engage in honest debate.
In the case of "corporate welfare", you think you can get away with dismissing the several dozen examples provided by myself and Evolving, just because I had unkowingly included a single corporation which had at some point received government money. What if I had written "Burger King" rather than MacDonald's? What kind of twisting could you have engaged in then?
Then, on the technological advancement issue, you have somehow managed to convince yourself that you can now safely dismiss the twenty-nine examples left after lasers have been eliminated. What kind of squirming could you have done if I had written "refrigeration" rather than "lasers"?
To pounce on an inadvertent slipup and try to use it to justify the dismissal of all other evidence that contradicts your stance is both intellectually dishonest and, quite frankly, extremely tedious.
It's as if you had claimed "there are no female members of the Shroomery" and I threw together a list of fifty female Shroomerites, one of whom was named "HotStuff", not realizing that "HotStuff" was actually a male. You would then gleefully prance about and gibber that my slipup "proved" there were no female Shroomerites.
Despite what you apparently think, Alex, most of the readers of this forum are not imbeciles -- they are intelligent enough to detect your evasions. I know you have a personal dislike for ME, but can you not at least TRY to show some respect for the intelligence of those who read these discussions?
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Re: reasons TO hate corporate america [Re: Xlea321]
#1195960 - 01/06/03 07:08 PM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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Alex123 writes:
You sure radio has never had any government input?
Re-read my previous post -- "Some refinements of some advancements involved some tax dollars, true. Before there can be a refinement of a new technology, there must first be a new technology to refine."
Your claim was "Nah, there really isn't any technological advancements that weren't funded massively by the taxpayer." Using government funds to increase the sensitivity of an existing radio receiver twofold, or to extend its transmission range, or to increase the number of channels it receives is refining an existing technology.
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Re: reasons TO hate corporate america [Re: Xlea321]
#1196655 - 01/07/03 02:58 AM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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Why should we trust anything you say?
Your posts are clearly a waste of bandwidth.
Watch your tongue Alex. One mistake(or several for that matter) does invalidate
everything that a person says.
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Re: reasons TO hate corporate america [Re: Phred]
#1196752 - 01/07/03 03:53 AM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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What if I had written "Burger King" rather than MacDonald's? What kind of twisting could you have engaged in then?
Burger king received corporate welfare too.
"It's time we stopped these corporations from feeding at the public trough. ," said Bass. "Many recipients of MAP funds -- including Burger King, Campbell Soup, General Mills, Hershey Foods, Ocean Spray Cranberries, Quaker Oats, and Tyson Foods -- can more than afford to pay for their own advertising. They don't need the U.S. government acting as their ad agency."
http://www.house.gov/bass/pr062498.html
Then, on the technological advancement issue, you have somehow managed to convince yourself that you can now safely dismiss the twenty-nine examples left after lasers have been eliminated.
Remember you made a lengthy post insisting I was wrong and that there was no government input into lasers. You have provided zero evidence on the other examples and I don't have the time or the inclination to examine every case. I picked two at random and you were completly and utterly wrong. Today you stated a third - Burger King - as usual you were completly wrong again. I think people can make their own minds up about the reliability of your claims.
To pounce on an inadvertent slipup
Nothing inadvertent. You spent half a page insisting i was wrong and making pointless slurs against me in your lasers response. You've done the same thing today. Not a word of contrition for your gross hopeless lies.
Despite what you apparently think, Alex, most of the readers of this forum are not imbeciles
LMAO
Do you think this is going to get everyone on your side? Saying I've called them all imbeciles? When did i make this claim pray tell?
I know you have a personal dislike for ME
Bullshit. I've never met you. You say a lot of stupid and inaccurate things but you may be a very nice guy apart from that.
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Re: reasons TO hate corporate america [Re: Xlea321]
#1197321 - 01/07/03 08:46 AM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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Holy shit Alpo.... you posted a link. And an interesting one at that.
I knew you could do it. Bet it feels good. Keep it up.
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Re: reasons TO hate corporate america [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#1197527 - 01/07/03 10:15 AM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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Pity your post is as useless as ever.
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Re: reasons TO hate corporate america [Re: Xlea321]
#1197833 - 01/07/03 11:45 AM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well it actually was interesting even if you have zero sense of humor.
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Re: reasons TO hate corporate america [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#1198091 - 01/07/03 01:17 PM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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Alex doesn't have a sense of humor......he's british
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Re: reasons TO hate corporate america [Re: Innvertigo]
#1198836 - 01/07/03 05:55 PM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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Another two carrot-top fans I see...
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Re: reasons TO hate corporate america [Re: Xlea321]
#1198940 - 01/07/03 06:26 PM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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Alex123 writes:
I think people can make their own minds up about the reliability of your claims.
Then we at least agree on something.
I don't have the time or the inclination to examine every case. I picked two at random and you were completly and utterly wrong.
You didn't pick two "at random". You picked the only two where I was in error.
Today you stated a third - Burger King - as usual you were completly wrong again.
The fact that I was wrong on those examples doesn't invalidate the fact that I was right when I showed your claims were incorrect. And of COURSE they were inadvertent slipups. Why on earth would I knowingly provide you something to pounce on when I could so easily have substituted any one of literally thousands of other choices?
You say a lot of stupid and inaccurate things...
Believe me, Alex, you DO NOT want the readers of this forum to see a list of even a fraction of the stupid and inaccurate things you have posted in your time here. It's better to admit that technological advancements occur without government assistance and move on.
I do not dismiss your arguments on a given principle under discussion due to the fact that you have been wrong so many times in the past -- I dispute each one as it comes. There is always the possibility that you may actually make an accurate statement on a given topic -- you have done so occasionally. But when you do make an inaccurate statement, I will point out its inaccuracy if someone else doesn't beat me to it.
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Re: reasons TO hate corporate america [Re: Xlea321]
#1199274 - 01/07/03 11:49 PM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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****Another two carrot-top fans I see... ****
I actually laughed.....
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Re: reasons TO hate corporate america [Re: Phred]
#1199293 - 01/08/03 12:23 AM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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sorry to be finnickity but you said....
"You didn't pick two "at random". You picked the only two where I was in error."
Does burden of proof come into play here??
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Re: reasons TO hate corporate america [Re: Phred]
#1199532 - 01/08/03 03:54 AM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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Then we at least agree on something.
Well you've been wrong on every single case so far. Lets just agree that you're not a very good bet.
You picked the only two where I was in error.
According to you. But then again according to you the other three examples were correct also. Until it was pointed out you were wrong.
The fact that I was wrong on those examples doesn't invalidate the fact that I was right
Congratulations. You are clearly the only man who can be both right and wrong simultaneously. Bravo.
Believe me, Alex, you DO NOT want the readers of this forum to see a list of even a fraction of the stupid and inaccurate things you have posted in your time here
Can we concentrate on the topic instead of your lurid fantasies about the past? No doubt in 2 months you'll be saying "Remember when i proved you wrong on mcdonalds, burger king, lasers recieving corporate welfare". It's your usual tactic.
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