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The difference between mescaline and psilocybin??
    #11766597 - 01/04/10 08:06 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I have done tonnes of magic mushrooms before but I'm just about to buy my first 140 grams of san pedro i just wanna know, how different is it from psilocybin and in what way.........


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Re: The difference between mescaline and psilocybin?? [Re: MCSteveyC]
    #11766719 - 01/04/10 08:29 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I have just started experimenting with mesc and Im finally extracting it soon. Doing cactus the only times I tired it Ive done Peruvian torch and bridgesii (the achuma cactus) and first thing is it can be hard to get to a good level with eating cactus you should try an extraction method. Its not hard, many many ppl have done it, but anywayz from hat I seem with mescaline it can be alot more visual than either LSD or shrooms at the right does, which again has been hard for me and some others to achieve by eating nasty cactus but you may be one of the ppl that can do it well. Mescaline is generally more euphoric and less intense than shrooms can often be but it does rly depend on dose with every psychedelic. Each psychedelic has its own levels of how strong the effects are and even though mescaline generally is much easier than shrooms high doses are intense. Shrooms are alwayz pleasant for me but the do have a more overwhelming feeling than mesc does. The visuals on mesc seem a bit more LSD like than shrooms like and from what I seen they can be the most colorful visuals at the right dosage. It dosnt have much ego death compared to LSD and Shrooms but it has a very focused and clear headed state of thought. Very introspective indeed. I also know that certain cactus's have somewhat distinct effects compared to pure mescaline. Peruvians and Pedro are the most like pure mescaline with Peruvian being somewhat identical to it and san pedro close but much more sedating in the first few hours. Bridgesii and peyote are a bit different though. I did achuma and I noticed the visuals where more cartoony and also had a much more stoning effect than Peruvian torch which is suppose to be the most like pure mesc and I like the effects Ive experienced from peruvian better. Less stoning and cloudy headed and more clear headed, nice and dreamy as oppose to stoning which I like better. I bet peyote would be better than pure mesc though...Thats once cactus I would have no problem eating because I think its unique effects would be better than pure mesc as oppose to more stony etc with bridgesii. I gatta get some peyote someday.


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Re: The difference between mescaline and psilocybin?? [Re: MCSteveyC]
    #11767246 - 01/04/10 09:54 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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I have done tonnes of magic mushrooms before but I'm just about to buy my first 140 grams of san pedro i just wanna know, how different is it from psilocybin and in what way.........




From a technical standpoint, Mescaline is a phenethylamine psychedelic and psilocin is a tryptamine psychedelic. Pharmacologically, they are both 5-HT2a receptor agonists, but mescaline is also active at dopamine sites. Its effects are closer to LSD than psilocin, by most accounts.


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Re: The difference between mescaline and psilocybin?? [Re: LSDreamer]
    #11768249 - 01/05/10 03:33 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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I have done tonnes of magic mushrooms before but I'm just about to buy my first 140 grams of san pedro i just wanna know, how different is it from psilocybin and in what way.........




From a technical standpoint, Mescaline is a phenethylamine psychedelic and psilocin is a tryptamine psychedelic. Pharmacologically, they are both 5-HT2a receptor agonists, but mescaline is also active at dopamine sites. Its effects are closer to LSD than psilocin, by most accounts.




i wouldnt really compare it to LSD i find each one to be rather differnt then each other i think mushrooms feel more like cactus then LSD but not really cause they dont feel that similar at all.

cactus is kinda more like XTC with intense visuals.

cactus P@wns on lsd tho. and mushrooms


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Re: The difference between mescaline and psilocybin?? [Re: thedudenj]
    #11768291 - 01/05/10 03:51 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

i find mescaline soooo... weird. very different to other psychs. almost a sleepy dreamy kind of intoxication. so mellow & calm, yet kind of speedy and energetic at the same time. not frantic like lsd or mushrooms though. minimal mindfuck.

despite its phenethylamine structure, its a very very gentle drug. if i have to compare it to any other psych it would have to be lsd. but its still so different. try it and see.


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Re: The difference between mescaline and psilocybin?? [Re: Lucas89]
    #11768295 - 01/05/10 03:52 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Despite? Phens seem to be much more gentle psychedelics across the board.


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Re: The difference between mescaline and psilocybin?? [Re: LSDreamer]
    #11768431 - 01/05/10 04:45 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

i dont know either, ive just heard a lot of people be sort of fearful of phenethylamines. they seem to think that phen = speedy and dirty.

i know this to be a bad generalization, as most phens are fairly pleasant. the only "dirty" ones i can think of would be dox compounds.

so yes, mesc is a very clean phenethylamine, probably the cleanest there is.


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Re: The difference between mescaline and psilocybin?? [Re: Lucas89]
    #11768653 - 01/05/10 07:02 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

ahhh right so there's minimal mind fuck thats good to hear.... so what would you recomend for a first dose of dried San Pedro (Trichocereus Pachanoi)??


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Re: The difference between mescaline and psilocybin?? [Re: MCSteveyC]
    #11768725 - 01/05/10 07:42 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

i don't feel like mescaline is similar to LSD or psilocybin. tbh it feels a lot more like a traditional phenethylamine high (go figure) like MDMA or 2c-b. This shouldn't be all that surprising though. It is very different from MDMA though still... esp in the visual department. It's really a thing unto itself and there is nothing else quite like it.

Pachanoi has the dreamy alkaloids in it. i have been on the verge of sleeping on a really good dose of pachanoi before and its a wierd feeling. tbh i don't know what dose dried to recommend since each cactus is so variable. it also depends on the source of your dried tissue....


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Re: The difference between mescaline and psilocybin?? [Re: MCSteveyC]
    #11768728 - 01/05/10 07:43 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

dried? i have no idea, i have never eaten dried pedro. how much do you have? i think doses vary from 20g-100g depending on how hard you want to trip, and how strong the plant is.

if i were you, id make iso tar or extract pure mescaline.


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Re: The difference between mescaline and psilocybin?? [Re: Lucas89]
    #11769152 - 01/05/10 11:12 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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dried? i have no idea, i have never eaten dried pedro. how much do you have? i think doses vary from 20g-100g depending on how hard you want to trip, and how strong the plant is.

if i were you, id make iso tar or extract pure mescaline.




Its alot of fuckin about that tho init! I just wanna get off my tits!


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Re: The difference between mescaline and psilocybin?? [Re: Lucas89]
    #11769203 - 01/05/10 11:26 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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i dont know either, ive just heard a lot of people be sort of fearful of phenethylamines. they seem to think that phen = speedy and dirty.

i know this to be a bad generalization, as most phens are fairly pleasant. the only "dirty" ones i can think of would be dox compounds.

so yes, mesc is a very clean phenethylamine, probably the cleanest there is.






as far as that goes nah people can freak hard on mescaline. any who do a iso tar extract FTW


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Re: The difference between mescaline and psilocybin?? [Re: thedudenj]
    #11769252 - 01/05/10 12:31 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Mescaline is, imo, the 'earthiest' of the common psychedelics. LSD makes me feel really connected with other people, mushrooms make me feel connected with the cosmos at large, and mescaline makes me feel connected with mother Earth.

I think, as with any other drug like this, your experience depends almost entirely on your level of awareness/consciousness.


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Re: The difference between mescaline and psilocybin?? [Re: morrowasted]
    #11769371 - 01/05/10 01:01 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

i really dont like LSD that much its shallow and filled with not the best vibes. where cactus and mushrooms have that earthly vibe and are about the planet and not fucked up ppl dealing drugs


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Re: The difference between mescaline and psilocybin?? [Re: thedudenj]
    #11769418 - 01/05/10 01:13 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I would tend to agree with you, I haven't taken LSD in a long time, but I wouldn't turn it down if someone gave it to me.


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Re: The difference between mescaline and psilocybin?? [Re: morrowasted]
    #11769486 - 01/05/10 01:29 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

YEAH i mainly only eat free acid which is 90% of the stuff i ate but that doesnt make it all prefect i gota say the best trips were the free ones


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Re: The difference between mescaline and psilocybin?? [Re: thedudenj]
    #11770588 - 01/05/10 05:14 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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i really dont like LSD that much its shallow and filled with not the best vibes. where cactus and mushrooms have that earthly vibe and are about the planet and not fucked up ppl dealing drugs




If I had an 'academic' source of LSD, an old Huxley-esque Scholar who I could trust, I'm sure I'd love the stuff... I'd be on it night and day, all week every week. But sadly they don't exist anymore, and if they do they keep their shit wayyyyy on the down-low. I'll be lucky if I ever meet such a 'dealer'.

My respect for psychedelics compels me to think twice 90% of the time I hear theres some about. I don't want the hassle, the paranoia, or the business.


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Re: The difference between mescaline and psilocybin?? [Re: ILoveThomYorke]
    #11774252 - 01/06/10 01:56 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

LSD tho is very around and theres tons of great L thats clean but still it is what it is. the LSD community is different the mushroom community


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Re: The difference between mescaline and psilocybin?? [Re: thedudenj]
    #11775145 - 01/06/10 09:15 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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LSD tho is very around and theres tons of great L thats clean but still it is what it is. the LSD community is different the mushroom community



WHERE??? I've been lookin for that stuff high and low now for about 3 years can't find it anywhere!!


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Re: The difference between mescaline and psilocybin?? [Re: MCSteveyC]
    #11775401 - 01/06/10 11:07 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

then your not looking in the right place ill give you the hint of hippies and ravers and thats totally not the only places. but i warn you dont just try to infiltrate their communities just for that purpose, cause youll fail you maybe get acid but it wont feel right cause vibes. if any thing you can get it at a show if you jus wanna have it no strings attached


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