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Re: Reasons for war. [Re: Evolving]
    #1172751 - 12/26/02 09:00 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Is it better to bomb the hell out of the people who are under the thumb of a dictator and let the dictator continue to rule?

So why not bomb the hell out of saudi arabia? Or any of the scores of other US sponsored dictators on earth? Why did the US prop up Saddam throughout the 80's when his human rights abuses were far worse than anything he's done recently?

Incidentally, the Kuwaiti dictatorship that Saddam toppled wasn't going to win any human rights prizes - why was it a problem when Saddam got rid of them in 1990? He liberated the suffering people from a dictator didn't he?


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Re: Reasons for war. [Re: Skikid16]
    #1174451 - 12/27/02 10:06 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

bump...c'mon you doorknobs, you have an opinion...state it!
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Re: Reasons for war. [Re: Skikid16]
    #1175471 - 12/28/02 01:57 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Its pretty much certain that a war will happen with Iraq now, when that happens, it will be the duty of all working class people in the imperialist countries (US, Canada, Britain) to defend Iraq against imperialist attack, by means of class struggle. In order for the imperialists to wage war abroad, they demand class peace at home. The british firefighters strike, or the ILWU lockout in the US for example, show that the working class has the power to put a dent in the imperialists war effort. It is hypocritical that the US is concerned about Saddam's weapons of mass destruction (which they helped him develop in the first place) or about democracy (since when did the US care about democracy? Remember Pinochet? or CIA-backed Mujahadeen?). Only by means of a socialist revolution where the working class takes over control of the methods of production, will imperialist wars, which are inherient to the current capitalist system will be ended and thus would begin the process of workers rule, and towards the building of a socialist free world for the working people.

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Re: Reasons for war. [Re: Eric]
    #1175538 - 12/28/02 02:30 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

A class struggle, in America? Right..... have you seen some of the laws that the current administration has passed with out a peep from the population? What in the hell do you think will make the working class rise against the government? Only in dreams my friend, only in dreams......


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Re: Reasons for war. [Re: Skikid16]
    #1175856 - 12/28/02 05:08 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Well, class struggle is the only way to stop an imperialist war from happening. Its true that working class conciousness is so poisoned with patriotism and shit since 9-11. But class struggle does happen even in america. It is important for the working class to understand that any easy victory for the imperialist rulers abroad, strenthens their hand at home against workers, minorities...etc For example, after 9-11, when the new jersey teachers went on strike (forget which town) they defyed a back to work order, and were arrested, thrown in jail, and called terrorists, and compared to the taliban. The situation is imminently dangerous, esspecially with the recent mass arrests of thousands of arabs by the INS in the Bay area, this is only the beginning......there have been reported plans for the use of internment camp when war breaks out.......

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