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Invisiblespud
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100th Monkey
    #1174958 - 12/28/02 09:12 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

The Hundredth Monkey
The Japanese monkey, Macaca fuscata, had been observed in the wild for a period of over 30 years. In 1952, on the Island of Koshima, scientists were providing monkeys with sweet potatoes dropped in the sand. The monkeys liked the taste of the raw sweet potatoes, but found the dirt unpleasant. An 18 month old female named Imo found she could solve the problem by washing the potatoes in the salty ocean water, improving the taste of the potato. She taught this trick to her mother. Her playmates learned this trick and taught their mothers too. This cultural innovation was gradually picked up numerous monkeys in the troop and observed by the scientists.

Between 1952 and 1958, all the young monkeys learned to wash the sandy sweet potatoes and make them more palatable. Only the adults who imitated their children learned this cultural improvement. Other adult monkeys kept eating the dirty sweet potatoes. In autumn of 1958, something startling took place. A certain number of Koshima monkeys were already washing their sweet potatoes, the exact number is not known. The hypothetical number given was 99. Then it happened. The hundredth monkey learned to wash the sweet potatoes. The added energy of that hundredth monkey somehow created an ideological breakthrough. Almost everyone in the tribe was washing their potatoes before eating them, but a surprising occurrence was observed by these scientists. The habit of washing the sweet potato had jumped overseas. Colonies of monkeys on other islands and the mainland troop at Takaskiyama began washing their sweet potatoes.

Although the exact number may vary, this Hundredth Monkey Phenomenon means that when only a limited number of individuals knows a 'new way', it remains the conscious property of those individuals. However, when one more individual manifests this new awareness, the field is strengthened, a critical mass is reached, and the awareness becomes the conscious property of all. This new awareness is communicated mind to mind.



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Re: 100th Monkey [Re: spud]
    #1174965 - 12/28/02 09:18 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Hehe, careful...

I posted this a long time ago and Swami didn't like it too much.

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Re: 100th Monkey [Re: Adamist]
    #1175011 - 12/28/02 10:04 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

oh you did? my bad...
hm why didnt swami like it?


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Re: 100th Monkey [Re: spud]
    #1175060 - 12/28/02 10:43 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Something about not being able to be scientifically validated... You know, the usual.


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Re: 100th Monkey [Re: spud]
    #1175345 - 12/28/02 02:24 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Thats a lot of monkeys.


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Re: 100th Monkey [Re: Adamist]
    #1175830 - 12/28/02 06:49 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, something about falsehoods being passed off as truth. Now why would that bother anyone?


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Re: 100th Monkey [Re: Swami]
    #1175847 - 12/28/02 07:03 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Swami, would you please elaborate?

I was going to do an Internet search but got sidetracked.


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Re: 100th Monkey [Re: ]
    #1175865 - 12/28/02 07:16 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

from http://www.context.org/ICLIB/IC09/Myers.htm

Is there some magic key that provides a short cut to cultural transformation?

Elaine Myers has had articles in issues #2, #5, and #7. She lives in rural southwest Washington state.


THE STORY OF "The Hundredth Monkey" has recently become popular in our culture as a strategy for social change. Lyall Watson first told it in Lifetide (pp147- 148), but its most widely known version is the opening to the book The Hundredth Monkey, by Ken Keyes. (See below.) The story is based on research with monkeys on a northern Japanese Island, and its central idea is that when enough individuals in a population adopt a new idea or behavior, there occurs an ideological breakthrough that allows this new awareness to be communicated directly from mind to mind without the connection of external experience and then all individuals in the population spontaneously adopt it. "It may be that when enough of us hold something to be true, it becomes true for everyone." (Watson, p148)

I found this to be a very appealing and believable idea. The concept of Jung's collective unconscious, and the biologists' morphogenetic fields (IN CONTEXT #6} offer parallel stories that help strengthen this strand of our imaginations. Archetypes, patterns, or fields that are themselves without mass or energy, could shape the individual manifestations of mass and energy. The more widespread these fields are, the greater their influence on the physical level of reality. We sometimes mention the Hundredth Monkey Phenomenon when we need supporting evidence of the possibility of an optimistic scenario for the future, especially a future based on peace instead of war. If enough of us will just think the right thoughts, then suddenly, almost magically, such ideas will become reality.

However, when I went back to the original research reports cited by Watson, I did not find the same story that he tells. Where he claims to have had to improvise details, the research reports are quite precise, and they do not support the "ideological breakthrough" phenomenon. At first I was disappointed; but as I delved deeper into the research I found a growing appreciation for the lessons the real story of these monkeys has for us. Based on what I have learned from the Japan Monkey Center reports in Primates, vol. 2, vol. 5 and vol. 6, here is how the real story seems to have gone.

Up until 1958, Keyes' description follows the research quite closely, although not all the young monkeys in the troop learned to wash the potatoes. By March, 1958, 15 of the 19 young monkeys (aged two to seven years} and 2 of the 11 adults were washing sweet potatoes. Up to this time, the propagation of the innovative behavior was on an individual basis, along family lines and playmate relationships. Most of the young monkeys began to wash the potatoes when they were one to two and a half years old. Males older than 4 years, who had little contact with the young monkeys, did not acquire the behavior.

By 1959, the sweet potato washing was no longer a new behavior to the group. Monkeys that had acquired the behavior as juveniles were growing up and having their own babies. This new generation of babies learned sweet potato washing behavior through the normal cultural pattern of the young imitating their mothers. By January, 1962, almost all the monkeys in the Koshima troop, excepting those adults born before 1950, were observed to be washing their sweet potatoes. If an individual monkey had not started to wash sweet potatoes by the time he was an adult, he was unlikely to learn it later, regardless of how widespread it became among the younger members of the troop.

In the original reports, there was no mention of the group passing a critical threshold that would impart the idea to the entire troop. The older monkeys remained steadfastly ignorant of the new behavior. Likewise, there was no mention of widespread sweet potato washing in other monkey troops. There was mention of occasional sweet potato washing by individual monkeys in other troops, but I think there are other simpler explanations for such occurrences. If there was an Imo in one troop, there could be other Imo-like monkeys in other troops.

Instead of an example of the spontaneous transmission of ideas, I think the story of the Japanese monkeys is a good example of the propagation of a paradigm shift, as in Thomas Kuhn's The Structure of Scientific Revolutions. The truly innovative points of view tend to come from those on the edge between youth and adulthood. The older generation continues to cling to the world view they grew up with. The new idea does not become universal until the older generation withdraws from power, and a younger generation matures within the new point of view.



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Re: 100th Monkey [Re: Swami]
    #1175923 - 12/28/02 08:08 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

interesting...


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Re: 100th Monkey [Re: spud]
    #1176449 - 12/29/02 04:50 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

how the hell do you estimate 99 monkeys? maybe its blatantly obvious to you people, but it isnt to me. Sounds like they were just trying to make something big out of an interesting occurence. Maybe a monkey swam to the other tribes of monkeys and told them? Or maybe he did mushrooms and telepathically communicated with those other monkey tribes... I would not mind having a monkey shaman chilling in my closet. That would be so fuckin cool.


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Re: 100th Monkey [Re: SnuffelzFurever]
    #1176737 - 12/29/02 08:20 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

are you suggesting that telepathy is possible on mushrooms.... 

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Re: 100th Monkey [Re: nubious]
    #1176745 - 12/29/02 08:25 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

THATS BLASPHOMY! (SP?)  :smirk:


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Re: 100th Monkey [Re: nubious]
    #1176953 - 12/29/02 10:40 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

are you suggesting that telepathy is possible on mushrooms.... 

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perhaps! lol


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