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beatnicknick
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Been over two weeks, tub still not fully colonized, should i fruit?
#11746282 - 12/30/09 11:57 PM (15 years, 20 days ago) |
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Should I fruit or continue waiting?? It's screwed isnt it?
Wow. Don't ever use plaster of paris.
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Re: Been over two weeks, tub still not fully colonized, should i fruit? [Re: beatnicknick]
#11746284 - 12/30/09 11:58 PM (15 years, 20 days ago) |
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better pic would be nice but you could try to induce fruiting
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beatnicknick
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Re: Been over two weeks, tub still not fully colonized, should i fruit? [Re: omnia]
#11746289 - 12/30/09 11:59 PM (15 years, 20 days ago) |
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you got it brotha
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Re: Been over two weeks, tub still not fully colonized, should i fruit? [Re: beatnicknick]
#11746320 - 12/31/09 12:05 AM (15 years, 20 days ago) |
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Re: Been over two weeks, tub still not fully colonized, should i fruit? [Re: beatnicknick]
#11746330 - 12/31/09 12:07 AM (15 years, 20 days ago) |
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Just wait let it colonize some more and you should be fine!!!
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Re: Been over two weeks, tub still not fully colonized, should i fruit? [Re: Hal1]
#11746346 - 12/31/09 12:10 AM (15 years, 20 days ago) |
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That's the thing - I took a picture a week ago, and took one today, and there is zero progress. In fact, all the progress was in the first three or four days, then it just shut down.
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Re: Been over two weeks, tub still not fully colonized, should i fruit? [Re: beatnicknick]
#11746359 - 12/31/09 12:12 AM (15 years, 20 days ago) |
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maybe get a syringe and inject it with some water?
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Re: Been over two weeks, tub still not fully colonized, should i fruit? [Re: SillyBilly]
#11746369 - 12/31/09 12:13 AM (15 years, 20 days ago) |
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I can try it, but would fruiting produce anything, or does it look like the mycelia network is not connected at all?
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Re: Been over two weeks, tub still not fully colonized, should i fruit? [Re: beatnicknick]
#11746399 - 12/31/09 12:19 AM (15 years, 20 days ago) |
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what exactly is it growing on? if its coir, sometimes coir does not colonize completely like I said you could try injecting it but you could also go ahead and fruit it if you have nothing to lose. is that a monotub? or a tray for a gh?
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Re: Been over two weeks, tub still not fully colonized, should i fruit? [Re: SillyBilly]
#11746426 - 12/31/09 12:24 AM (15 years, 20 days ago) |
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SillyBilly said: what exactly is it growing on? if its coir, sometimes coir does not colonize completely like I said you could try injecting it but you could also go ahead and fruit it if you have nothing to lose. is that a monotub? or a tray for a gh?
It's a monotub, yeah its coir, I do have something to lose, that is the money I spent on the project, and the fact that I can't do a second grow because my buddies have big mouths.
It wouldn't be so bad if out of the hundreds and hundreds of people I know, someone knew where to get these. I just want some shrooms.
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Edited by beatnicknick (12/31/09 12:28 AM)
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Re: Been over two weeks, tub still not fully colonized, should i fruit? [Re: beatnicknick]
#11746443 - 12/31/09 12:27 AM (15 years, 20 days ago) |
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you could also give it a mist with a fine spray and then introduce it to fruiting conditions asap
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Re: Been over two weeks, tub still not fully colonized, should i fruit? [Re: SillyBilly]
#11746475 - 12/31/09 12:35 AM (15 years, 20 days ago) |
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okay. should i add some hydrogen peroxide to ensure no bacteria in the spray because of the open areas? and should i let it absorb to see if that helps colonization and then press the button labeled fruiting?
also, has anyone successfully fruity a not fully colonized tub?
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Edited by beatnicknick (12/31/09 12:36 AM)
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Re: Been over two weeks, tub still not fully colonized, should i fruit? [Re: beatnicknick]
#11746479 - 12/31/09 12:37 AM (15 years, 20 days ago) |
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oh yeh i forgot to mention use distilled water, h202 is not needed ive treated the monotub i made once horribly bad and it never contam'd you will be fine
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Re: Been over two weeks, tub still not fully colonized, should i fruit? [Re: beatnicknick]
#11746494 - 12/31/09 12:40 AM (15 years, 20 days ago) |
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H202 is only for elimination of cobweb mold during fruiting.
I'm assuming you have a similar sheet of plastic over the substrate - do you have slits cut in the top for gas exchange?
Inducing fruiting before full colonization is a waste of time. Remember: the number one pinning trigger is full colonization, followed by FAE and light. Your mycelium will simply burn through substrate as it colonizes.
What was your spawn/substrate ratio? Give it another week and see if colonization continues. If your tub is truly stalled out, you probably have some sort of bacterial contamination.
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Re: Been over two weeks, tub still not fully colonized, should i fruit? [Re: beatnicknick]
#11746504 - 12/31/09 12:42 AM (15 years, 20 days ago) |
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beatnicknick said: also, has anyone successfully fruity a not fully colonized tub?
Toss it outside under a bush if it's warm outside. I had a contaminated tub at ~40% colonization infected with trich. I tossed it under a bush and watered every other day. I pulled ounces and ounces of fresh mushrooms off the pile.
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Re: Been over two weeks, tub still not fully colonized, should i fruit? [Re: Brennus]
#11746515 - 12/31/09 12:46 AM (15 years, 20 days ago) |
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Brennus said: H202 is only for elimination of cobweb mold during fruiting.
I'm assuming you have a similar sheet of plastic over the substrate - do you have slits cut in the top for gas exchange?
Inducing fruiting before full colonization is a waste of time. Remember: the number one pinning trigger is full colonization, followed by FAE and light. Your mycelium will simply burn through substrate as it colonizes.
What was your spawn/substrate ratio? Give it another week and see if colonization continues. If your tub is truly stalled out, you probably have some sort of bacterial contamination.
Well its in a monotub in an open trash bag - theres polyfil filled holes that are very tight, not to mention its in a no-draft, tight area.
What do you mean the mycelium will burn through the substate if i fruit early?
And if it's stalled, doesn't that mean the mycelium is convinced it can't colonize anymore?
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Re: Been over two weeks, tub still not fully colonized, should i fruit? [Re: Brennus]
#11746533 - 12/31/09 12:50 AM (15 years, 20 days ago) |
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beatnicknick said: also, has anyone successfully fruity a not fully colonized tub?
Toss it outside under a bush if it's warm outside. I had a contaminated tub at ~40% colonization infected with trich. I tossed it under a bush and watered every other day. I pulled ounces and ounces of fresh mushrooms off the pile.
It's freezing outside. Wouldn't the same happen just inside of a tub?
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Re: Been over two weeks, tub still not fully colonized, should i fruit? [Re: beatnicknick]
#11746539 - 12/31/09 12:50 AM (15 years, 20 days ago) |
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beatnicknick said:
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Brennus said: H202 is only for elimination of cobweb mold during fruiting.
I'm assuming you have a similar sheet of plastic over the substrate - do you have slits cut in the top for gas exchange?
Inducing fruiting before full colonization is a waste of time. Remember: the number one pinning trigger is full colonization, followed by FAE and light. Your mycelium will simply burn through substrate as it colonizes.
What was your spawn/substrate ratio? Give it another week and see if colonization continues. If your tub is truly stalled out, you probably have some sort of bacterial contamination.
Well its in a monotub in an open trash bag - theres polyfil filled holes that are very tight, not to mention its in a no-draft, tight area.
What do you mean the mycelium will burn through the substate if i fruit early?
And if it's stalled, doesn't that mean the mycelium is convinced it can't colonize anymore?
I usually cover my substrate with another sheet of black plastic (with slits cut for GE) during colonization. Some people use aluminum foil with trays. During colonization, the mycelium doesn't need fresh air exchange (which you've been providing - and it ensures the mycelium doesn't metabolize any more of the substrate than needed before fruiting).
If your spawn suffered from a bacterial infection, the mycelium will recover too slowly on your bulk substrate and be overtaken by much faster competitor molds, such as trich. This is why it's recommended that you give each jar of spawn a good sniff before spawning.
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If you're living in a spot of the globe where it's freezing right now, then tossing it outside won't do you much good until spring. Tossing an infected project out doors pits your mushroom mycelium and the invading mold against the rest of the microbes in nature, while leaving it indoors simply has your mycelium fighting a losing battle against a much more aggressive competitor.
Also, a tub puking billions of trich spores all over your house will make future grows difficult, at best.
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Re: Been over two weeks, tub still not fully colonized, should i fruit? [Re: Brennus]
#11746554 - 12/31/09 12:54 AM (15 years, 20 days ago) |
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I don't think its infected. It's just coir.
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Re: Been over two weeks, tub still not fully colonized, should i fruit? [Re: SillyBilly]
#11746566 - 12/31/09 12:56 AM (15 years, 20 days ago) |
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SillyBilly said: I don't think its infected. It's just coir.
Colonization doesn't stall out for no reason. I was giving him reasons why his tub might have stalled. The tub looks fine, but if he hasn't seen any additional growth within a week, something is probably wrong.
Personally, I would give it more time, but I would definitely be giving it a good look every few days.
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Re: Been over two weeks, tub still not fully colonized, should i fruit? [Re: Brennus]
#11746575 - 12/31/09 12:57 AM (15 years, 20 days ago) |
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I am wondering if he has opened it up too many times to check on it?
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Re: Been over two weeks, tub still not fully colonized, should i fruit? [Re: SillyBilly]
#11746626 - 12/31/09 01:10 AM (15 years, 20 days ago) |
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did you let them colonize for a few days in the dark after you cased?
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Re: Been over two weeks, tub still not fully colonized, should i fruit? [Re: Brennus]
#11746719 - 12/31/09 01:35 AM (15 years, 20 days ago) |
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Brennus said:
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SillyBilly said: I don't think its infected. It's just coir.
Colonization doesn't stall out for no reason. I was giving him reasons why his tub might have stalled. The tub looks fine, but if he hasn't seen any additional growth within a week, something is probably wrong.
Personally, I would give it more time, but I would definitely be giving it a good look every few days.
Thanks, I will do that. The reason it might have stalled would be that the water content may have been too high, or, quite possibly, the fact I used Plaster of Paris. RR says thats no way to get gypsum, and if you do use it, you should prepare it. I didn't take either recomendation (trust me, I would have if I had read it before it was too late :/)
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Re: Been over two weeks, tub still not fully colonized, should i fruit? [Re: beatnicknick]
#11746738 - 12/31/09 01:39 AM (15 years, 20 days ago) |
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beatnicknick said:
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Brennus said:
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SillyBilly said: I don't think its infected. It's just coir.
Colonization doesn't stall out for no reason. I was giving him reasons why his tub might have stalled. The tub looks fine, but if he hasn't seen any additional growth within a week, something is probably wrong.
Personally, I would give it more time, but I would definitely be giving it a good look every few days.
Thanks, I will do that. The reason it might have stalled would be that the water content may have been too high, or, quite possibly, the fact I used Plaster of Paris. RR says thats no way to get gypsum, and if you do use it, you should prepare it. I didn't take either recomendation (trust me, I would have if I had read it before it was too late :/)
Go check RR's site for the video about manure preparation. It should have a demonstration for field capacity.
Also, for future reference, a 50 lb bag of gypsum ran me about $5.00 at Lowe's. It's not only good for your bulk substrate as a pH buffer, but does wonders for your grain spawn by making sure the grains won't clump together and by adding sulfur and calcium.
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Re: Been over two weeks, tub still not fully colonized, should i fruit? [Re: Brennus]
#11747070 - 01/01/10 09:14 AM (15 years, 19 days ago) |
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Brennus said: Also, for future reference, a 50 lb bag of gypsum ran me about $5.00 at Lowe's. It's not only good for your bulk substrate as a pH buffer, but does wonders for your grain spawn by making sure the grains won't clump together and by adding sulfur and calcium.
Did you buy garden-specific gypsum? Last time I went there asking for gypsum, they took me to the drywall.
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