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Birthing cakes upside down?
    #1174158 - 12/27/02 04:34 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

I've been reading some of the teks on here and one says to make sure you birth your cakes the same way they were when they were colonizing (vermiculite up). The other tek says to birth with the vermiculite down. Which is the correct way?

Also, when using the damp perlite tek will I ever have to add more water to the perlite or will the initial wetting last for the duration? If I do have to add water could you maybe give some parameters? Thanks.


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Re: Birthing cakes upside down? [Re: thrice]
    #1174162 - 12/27/02 04:35 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

IMHO & IME it doesn't really make a difference.


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    #1174163 - 12/27/02 04:35 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Birthing cakes upside down? [Re: thrice]
    #1174171 - 12/27/02 04:41 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

I was wondering the same thing initially, and from what feedback I got they should be placed in the grow chamber the same way they were oriented in the jar - although I'd also say that casing them is waaaaaaay better than going with cakes.


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Re: Birthing cakes upside down? [Re: SubGen1us]
    #1174188 - 12/27/02 04:53 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

I know I'm a newbie and don't know shit but I've noticed that quite a few of the cakes I have seen on this board appear to fruit from the bottom more often than the top when the cakes are upside (lid) down. I have a cake 6 days since dunk & shock and have about 40 pins all over the top of the cake and most of them are coming through what little verm is left from the dry layer. It sits as it did during incubation (lid up). :smile:  It's not in focus but check out the fat boy near the center/top of the pic 


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Re: Birthing cakes upside down? [Re: SubGen1us]
    #1174248 - 12/27/02 05:23 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

no, man.. the light initiates the pinnign it does NOT direct the mushrooms in wich way to grow.. it IS gravity.. at least in my experience and from what i have seen/read that is the way it works..


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Re: Birthing cakes upside down? [Re: thrice]
    #1174391 - 12/27/02 10:43 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

ok, 1st gravity has nothing to do with it, pins grow towards light.....

2nd, i have tried both methods and i find that when the verm barrier is on the BOTTEM it grows much better...
(i place my cakes on tinfoil so they dont directly touch perlite)
the verm against the tinfoil creates a nice microclimate for the pins to form....
they will form from other areas of the cake as well, but most will come from that area....

once u get a couple cakes to fruit i do suggest you try a caseing....
im still a n00b when it comes to caseings, but the ones that i have had success with have produced far better yeilds......
try a simple verm/coir mix.......
its alot easier that ya think...

just watch out for green....
that mo'fucker eventually got each and every one of my caseings...

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Re: Birthing cakes upside down? [Re: hyper_dermic]
    #1174563 - 12/28/02 03:29 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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ok, 1st gravity has nothing to do with it, pins grow towards light.....




Of course gravity has something to do with it. It is a combination of the two.



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Re: Birthing cakes upside down? [Re: Angry Mycologist]
    #1174587 - 12/28/02 04:11 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

oh source there going to be pinformatin where theres no colonized vermiculite. isnt that the hole purpose dunking you cakes into damp verm on both ends of the cake, so hat it creates a mini action both ends



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Re: Birthing cakes upside down? [Re: SomeMycologist]
    #1174736 - 12/28/02 07:11 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

If that is the case then why not roll the whole cake in verm and mist it. Kinda like patching for a cake? I wonder how that would work out? I just might try one.


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Re: Birthing cakes upside down? [Re: slack]
    #1174891 - 12/28/02 08:42 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Pins do not grow towards the light that is not true. Light just tells the cake to pin and gravity tells it to pin in which direction.


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Re: Birthing cakes upside down? [Re: SixCee]
    #1175069 - 12/28/02 10:49 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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Pins do not grow towards the light that is not true. Light just tells the cake to pin and gravity tells it to pin in which direction.




I really think it's a combination of the two. I've noticed my fruitbodies actually tilt themselves towards the source of light. The lamp is a bit lower and to the right side of my chamber.


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