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Dead Souls



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Sterl. without PC?
#11738722 - 12/29/09 05:44 PM (15 years, 22 days ago) |
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Okay...
I have been discussing with my wife about growin' some fungi for a moment now, but we are both troubled...
Everywhere around here, even Sears, doesn't have any PCs with a pressure gauge on them. I don't want to be spending any money on a PC that doesn't even hit the spot that I need. And the ones I do find, my wife doesn't like the price on them at all...
And I have been reading a few posts... and a few other forums... People having success with a steaming method. This troubles me, as I know that it could work but don't know how well...
But we both want to experience it again and I am looking for suggestions. Has anyone had success with the steaming method, or will one of these PCs without a pressure gauge get to the point for sterilization?
I am using popcorn, as it's pretty much the most readily available material I have.
Any help would be appreciated
I was wanting to go with a nice PE strain... but any suggestions would be appreciated as well.
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if you use the pf tek you dont need a pc. You can birth the cakes or even spawn them to bulk if you would like.
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Dead Souls



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Yeah, I'm not really tryin' to go the PF Tek route again, I failed at that...
It started out successful... but failed in a horrible contam. I wasn't very happy with it..
And I'm tryin' to get pretty good yields with it, and from what I read the PF Tek is lacking.
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well thats the easiest way to go...
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Dead Souls



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If I wanted to spawn to bulk, would I not have to sterilize the bulk?
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Without a PC you can't do grains. You will have worse contam issues than before. Either get the PF tek right without a PC or order one online. I would go with an All American if you have the extra cash, but if you short on cash and want to get started soon, just get a presto from amazon.
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M11
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Quote:
Dead Souls said: If I wanted to spawn to bulk, would I not have to sterilize the bulk?
You need to sterilize your grain is you want to go bulk. I am much like you in that I really didn't find the PF tek all that fulfilling; I learned a lot about the process though.
For my first bulk grow, I did not PC the grains. All four jars were successfully colonized and I had a very nice yield. I was told I was lucky that they didn't contaminate. I did purchase my rye grain at a health foods store; the rye seemed very clean, so that may have helped?
Anyway, go to wal-mart and buy a $40 10 psi PC. Yes, I know that 15 psi recommended, but you can simply PC your grains at 10 psi for an extra 30 minutes to account for the lower pressure/temp.
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Doc_T
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Re: Sterl. without PC? [Re: M11]
#11738912 - 12/29/09 06:15 PM (15 years, 22 days ago) |
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Quote:
M11 said: Anyway, go to wal-mart and buy a $40 10 psi PC.
Or get one at Goodwill for $10.
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M11 said: Yes, I know that 15 psi recommended, but you can simply PC your grains at 10 psi for an extra 30 minutes to account for the lower pressure/temp.
Yep. 
And you might think a small PC is small, but you'd be surprised how far a little spawn can go. This is four pints:
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Dead Souls



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Re: Sterl. without PC? [Re: M11]
#11738974 - 12/29/09 06:25 PM (15 years, 22 days ago) |
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So one of those cheap PCs without the gauge WILL work? Just PC it longer... I see, that just made my night. 
Have you tried Popcorn before? I hear it has it's ups and downs, but like I said... it's the most readily available thing I have.
Yeah... PF tek.. eww...
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Re: Sterl. without PC? [Re: Doc_T]
#11738984 - 12/29/09 06:27 PM (15 years, 22 days ago) |
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Yes, that would be the PERFECT yield for me and my wife.
I am just growing it for us, ya know. Something for our weekends.
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Doc_T
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I don't like popcorn, especially in a small PC. WBS has a smaller grain size and will sterilize more thoroughly. I prep it like RR does in his video, but the grain hydrates faster than rye because it is smaller. I soak about four hours, simmer 5-10 minutes or until it's al dente. Then strain it well, jar it up, and PC it.
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Dead Souls said: PF tek.. eww...
I've come back around to PF tek for a lot of projects, don't knock it. And really if you can't do PF tek, (vs choosing not to) then you aren't ready for bulk anyway.
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sansa

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Popcorn is not a good substrate. Use wild bird seed, it's much better. Do a search for "WBS tek" and you'll get good methods.
If the PC doesn't have a gauge that just means it's set for 15 PSI which is exactly what you want. There's no need for a gauge really.
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Dead Souls



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Re: Sterl. without PC? [Re: Doc_T]
#11739088 - 12/29/09 06:43 PM (15 years, 22 days ago) |
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I've seen a few different kinds of WBS.
Some big seeds with some green and red and different colored "things" in it.
And I've seen some tiny WBS.
Which is it that you talk about?
And about the PF Tek... I think my problem was the lack of a PC. I tried the whole steam thing and failed at it. That's all.
I understand the whole concept of it, in every shape and form. I just... was... looking for a way to sterilize without spending a ridiculous amount of money... that's all... LOL!
-Edit- I did a search, saw the kind of WBS they are using. Thanks a lot, I really appreciate all your help. When I get to growin', I will keep you updated.
Edited by Dead Souls (12/29/09 06:45 PM)
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Doc_T
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Pennington's. Get Pennington's. Only Pennington's. Or use rye, that's even easier to get right.
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Re: Sterl. without PC? [Re: Doc_T]
#11739119 - 12/29/09 06:48 PM (15 years, 22 days ago) |
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Yeah I bought a 8 qrt. pc for 40 bucks and its working out nice.
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Re: Sterl. without PC? [Re: Doc_T]
#11739132 - 12/29/09 06:50 PM (15 years, 22 days ago) |
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Doc_T said: Pennington's. Get Pennington's. Only Pennington's. Or use rye, that's even easier to get right. 
Agreed I have been stuck on Pennington's since I first tried it, all my other WBS projects went sour. MM
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Dead Souls



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Re: Sterl. without PC? [Re: mango man]
#11739140 - 12/29/09 06:51 PM (15 years, 22 days ago) |
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Where do you get Penningtons?
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My local petshop sells it dirt cheap. MM
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sansa

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I'm not saying Pennington's isn't great but if you can't find that exact brand I wouldn't let it hold you up. I got the standard issue walmart millet and it's worked fine. It has some other stuff in it other than millet but that doesn't really matter a whole lot. Also, some WBS teks say to take out the floaters and people have tested whether that's worth the effort. You can find the threads on that but basically you don't really HAVE to simmer the WBS or skim off the floaters. It's a more forgiving substrate than some of the teks make it out to be.
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Doc_T
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Dead Souls said: Where do you get Penningtons?
Family Dollar. WM has it, lots of other places. Don't get anything with cracked corn if you can avoid it, it comes out weird. (Works ok, but freaks people out).
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Re: Sterl. without PC? [Re: Doc_T]
#11739308 - 12/29/09 07:20 PM (15 years, 22 days ago) |
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Yeah the cornstarch can make the grains get pretty sticky. Key element to successful WBS prep is getting is clean. I hate WBS for that reason. It takes forever to do that many rinses. With rye I just do 3 or 4 rinses.
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Doc_T
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Pennington's, I use a total of three rinses. Once to get the floaters, once with a drop of soap, then once to rinse the soap away. But do whatever it takes to get your grains clean, no matter what type or source.
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Re: Sterl. without PC? [Re: Doc_T]
#11739331 - 12/29/09 07:24 PM (15 years, 22 days ago) |
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Adding a bit of powdered gardening gypsum to the WBS really speeds up colonization
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Dead Souls



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Re: Sterl. without PC? [Re: Doc_T]
#11739402 - 12/29/09 07:36 PM (15 years, 22 days ago) |
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Alright, sweet. Sounds good. I just went and got a 12 pack of Half Pint Kerr jars, bought them up before taken off the shelf. I'm gonna go to Walmart... and I KNOW I saw WBS at Walgreens the other day, gonna see if it's good and doesn't have the cracked corn like you said. Thanks for all the help. I'm gonna check the price of a PC at Walmart, or somewhere like that as well..
Now.. as far as a syringe goes..? Where do you suggest I get that? And I want a nice... potent strain.. and I heard PE is very potent. I myself have never tried it, but I am extremely experienced in the experience itself.
But anything that grows good will be nice.
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Edited by sansa (12/29/09 07:44 PM)
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Doc_T
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That Walgreen's stuff is my second choice. Costs a little more, about $6 for ten pounds. Skip PE and all novelty strains, get something named after a person or place. Dunno about syringes, but you get them with the spores, so you don't need to worry about that right now.
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Dead Souls said: I want a nice... potent strain..
Just eat more.
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Re: Sterl. without PC? [Re: Doc_T]
#11741600 - 12/30/09 05:29 AM (15 years, 21 days ago) |
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Is Sporeworks pretty fast with their deliveries?
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Doc_T
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Can't rush quality. But yes. Get the 'surprise me' pack IMO, make sure to mention you are a member here too.
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Re: Sterl. without PC? [Re: Doc_T]
#11741670 - 12/30/09 06:22 AM (15 years, 21 days ago) |
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Just order an antique PC from ebay or get one online...you NEED a PC unless you feel like steaming for 3-5hrs and that doesn't work well at all for grains...
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Citizen13
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i noticed some people suggesting WalMart had supplies you were looking for.
if you go to WalMart, make sure you steal something of value, like nike golf balls or whatnot, return them without a receipt for store credit, and then use that to purchase all your supplies. DO NOT give them your hard earned cash or your entire grow will fail due to bad karma.
also, feel free to take a dump in a urinal while you are there.
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Re: Sterl. without PC? [Re: Citizen13]
#11741749 - 12/30/09 10:13 AM (15 years, 21 days ago) |
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Please don't advise people to break the law, even as a joke. And setting some poor wage slave up for a shitty day is pretty lame, too.
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Re: Sterl. without PC? [Re: Doc_T]
#11741795 - 12/30/09 10:30 AM (15 years, 21 days ago) |
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Quote:
Doc_T said:
Please don't advise people to break the law, even as a joke.
i forgot, we are all law abiding citizens here
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Re: Sterl. without PC? [Re: Citizen13]
#11741807 - 12/30/09 10:33 AM (15 years, 21 days ago) |
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I am. At least, I don't commit crimes in public. Certainly not in a store with video cameras.
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Re: Sterl. without PC? [Re: Doc_T]
#11741978 - 12/30/09 11:12 AM (15 years, 21 days ago) |
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So... Lowes and Walmart aren't carrying any Verm or Perlite right now, for some reason. And I have never seen Coco Coir for sale anywhere, where do you all get that shit?
And I was checkin' out a PC at Walmart and it's set for 10 psi, how long would you put your WBS in there for? I'm using 1/2 pint jars.
And I checked on the Penningtons, and there was a ton of bags there for cheap. Would the "Gourmet Mix" be the one I want? All the others looked mostly like corn or sunflower seeds. But the Gourmet one had all the little seeds and things like that, very little bit of sunflower seeeds.
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Doc_T
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Gourmet mix, I think that's it. It's the one without much corn or stuff. They market the same blend in different packaging. Half pints at 10 psi, I'd go 90 minutes, maybe as long as 120. Ace Hardware will have perlite, and they will order verm if they don't have it. But save yourself the trouble, and go to a local garden center, they will have perlite, verm, and coir. All three in one place. Local garden center.
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Dead Souls



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Re: Sterl. without PC? [Re: Doc_T]
#11742038 - 12/30/09 11:23 AM (15 years, 21 days ago) |
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Yeah, I'm looking into local garden supplies right now.
Yeah, I'll probably shoot for 120 just to be certain.
Thanks for all the help, I appreciate it.
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Dead Souls said: Yeah, I'm not really tryin' to go the PF Tek route again, I failed at that...
It started out successful... but failed in a horrible contam. I wasn't very happy with it..
And I'm tryin' to get pretty good yields with it, and from what I read the PF Tek is lacking.
dude if you failed at pf-tek, don't try something harder
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Re: Sterl. without PC? [Re: Thyrax]
#11742217 - 12/30/09 11:58 AM (15 years, 21 days ago) |
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Thyrax said:
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Dead Souls said: Yeah, I'm not really tryin' to go the PF Tek route again, I failed at that...
It started out successful... but failed in a horrible contam. I wasn't very happy with it..
And I'm tryin' to get pretty good yields with it, and from what I read the PF Tek is lacking.
dude if you failed at pf-tek, don't try something harder
rye is pretty freaking easy. if you know how to hydrate rye, and operate a PC effectivley, it's almost stupid-proof.
pftek is harder imo, and more things can go wrong.
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Dead Souls



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Re: Sterl. without PC? [Re: Citizen13]
#11742246 - 12/30/09 12:04 PM (15 years, 21 days ago) |
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... yeah... exactly... A lot of things went wrong with the PF Tek for me...
And I'm not a moron, I understand the concept of it completely. I have already stated this, and I wish people would read completely through a post before posting something like that.
I'm asking for advice, and someone comes on here just to bash me. Pfft.
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because it doesnt have a gauge doesnt mean that it is set for 15 psi. I bought a 8 qt presto pc with no gauge, at it was only 12 psi although i still used it the same about of time and didnt go over and everything was still fine
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Doc_T
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Dead Souls said: A lot of things went wrong with the PF Tek for me... And I'm not a moron, I understand the concept of it completely.
Well, still. You need to go back and touch first base. PF is seriously the easiest way to cultivate mushrooms. If you can't do it, you can't grow mushrooms. You say you can do it- we'll see.
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Dead Souls said: And I'm tryin' to get pretty good yields with it, and from what I read the PF Tek is lacking.
I'm not trying to change your mind because I rarely use the pf tek either, but the fact is that no other method will return so much product for so little substrate. You'll get a biological efficiency in the 300% range if you do it right.
If you're going with grains, popcorn is the worst choice, rye berries the best choice. You can sterilize quarts of rye berries @10 psi for two hours and succeed. With popcorn, the failure rate will be higher, even if you use 15 psi.
Look on craigs list or other boards for a used AA 921. It's about the best choice for intermediate growers, plus you can cook roasts, seafood, etc., in it. RR
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M11
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I found the PF tek to be kinda lame; I know the mistake I made. The jars became too compacted and dry, so it took forever for them to colonize. But once they did, and I birthed, dunked, and rolled, I managed to get about 4-5 dry grams a cake. I really found bulk to be just as easy. Preparing rye isn't hard at all. I really didn't find bulk all that difficult, thanks to the wonderful resources on this site.
I can attribute my sterile and prep techniques to the PF tek, but bulk is the way to go. I would go with RR's advice and get some rye berries. I have heard nasty things about popcorn.
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Re: Sterl. without PC? [Re: M11]
#11743281 - 12/30/09 03:13 PM (15 years, 21 days ago) |
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Well I decided to go with WBS since everyone was suggesting it earlier. I already bought a bag of it. I threw the Popcorn idea out the window.
But I went to some local nurseries and garden supply stores and I got my perlite and verm, but no one has any coco coir at all. A couple of people had the fiber.
What could I substitute for the coir?
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Doc_T
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You don't need coir for a couple of weeks, if ever. You can get it at a pet shop when you do need it. Meanwhile, scope out sources for horse poo and straw if you can find them.
Did you decide on jar lids? I'm partial to polyfil, with an RTV injection port- but there's a lot of options.
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Citizen13
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Quote:
Dead Souls said: Well I decided to go with WBS since everyone was suggesting it earlier. I already bought a bag of it. I threw the Popcorn idea out the window.
But I went to some local nurseries and garden supply stores and I got my perlite and verm, but no one has any coco coir at all. A couple of people had the fiber.
What could I substitute for the coir?
coir can be found in bricks for animal bedding at any pet store.
don't substitute anything for it unless you want to use poo or straw (more work but they are good too), just go pick some up and be content knowing you got an easy to prep, high performing substrate for dirt cheap.
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Re: Sterl. without PC? [Re: Doc_T]
#11743321 - 12/30/09 03:20 PM (15 years, 21 days ago) |
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I went and checked the price on some Tyvek at Lowes, 10 bucks for a pair of coveralls.
I was thinkin' of just doin' that since I read a lot of people use that.
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Doc_T
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It is popular. Grab some RTV or silicone too.
Edit- cut the sleeves off the tyvek suit, use them to make a deluxe glovebox.
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Citizen13
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Re: Sterl. without PC? [Re: Doc_T]
#11743364 - 12/30/09 03:26 PM (15 years, 21 days ago) |
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Doc_T said: Edit- cut the sleeves off the tyvek suit, use them to make a deluxe glovebox.
that's exactly what i did with mine. elastic bands at the wrist so all i have to do is put some plastic gloves on and im set
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Dead Souls



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Re: Sterl. without PC? [Re: Doc_T]
#11743394 - 12/30/09 03:29 PM (15 years, 21 days ago) |
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That's brilliant, I would have never thought of that.
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Doc_T
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Me either. I think I got the idea from RR, but I don't know if he invented it himself or not.
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Re: Sterl. without PC? [Re: Doc_T]
#11743421 - 12/30/09 03:34 PM (15 years, 21 days ago) |
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i think anyone that ever has owned a tvek jumpsuit only has to look at the arms and put 2 and 2 together.
i was cutting up pieces of it and when i had the arms off i thought "wait a minute...."
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Re: Sterl. without PC? [Re: Citizen13]
#11743442 - 12/30/09 03:37 PM (15 years, 21 days ago) |
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Haha. Yeah, I have never bought one before.
But I'm checkin' around with the local pet shops and none of them have the coir either, it's all fiber.
So... I might as well just break down and do the PF Tek, I suppose.
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If you are in the US, try Petco. I find other local shops don't have exactly what I want.
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Dead Souls



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There isn't a Petco anywhere near me. I'm in NC
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And you can't get a block of Bed-a-beast or Eco Earth coco coir? There has to be a garden store or hydro shop or pet shop around there. Post your zip code, I'll Google it. Or just buy it online. But seriously, you are weeks away from needing it. Make your jars now, worry about spawning later.
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Re: Sterl. without PC? [Re: Doc_T]
#11743535 - 12/30/09 03:52 PM (15 years, 21 days ago) |
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Wait... Eco Earth? There is an Eco Earth at Petsmart, but it said it's Coco Fiber. "Compressed Coconut Fiber Expandable Substrate."
It's made by Zoo Med...
It's 28307, though.
Edited by Dead Souls (12/30/09 03:52 PM)
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daytripper05
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Yeah, that's a the bigger stuff I believe. The coir is the dust produced from the hulls.
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That will work. But did you check Bell's Seed Store? Looks like a likely source.
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Dead Souls



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Re: Sterl. without PC? [Re: Doc_T]
#11743651 - 12/30/09 04:06 PM (15 years, 21 days ago) |
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Yeah, Bell's doesn't ever answer their phone. LOL
I just tried calling them again since you mentioned them.
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Dead Souls



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Re: Sterl. without PC? [Re: Doc_T]
#11743759 - 12/30/09 04:26 PM (15 years, 21 days ago) |
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Yeah... lookin' ahead, I don't want to make the jars then end up not having a casing material...
As of right now, I have the material and means to start PF cakes, so... should I go ahead and attempt that? All I would need at this time is BRF, and that's just down the road from me.
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thats your call broski. noone can decide that for you.
*waits in anticipation of someone making that call for you*
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Re: Sterl. without PC? [Re: Citizen13]
#11743781 - 12/30/09 04:30 PM (15 years, 21 days ago) |
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Okay so if I buy a PC and it's max is 10 psi, how long would I have to cook PF cakes?
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Oh, casing? Coir is a great bulk substrate, less good as a casing material. Peat/verm is recommended (also sold as Jiffy Mix Seed STarter). Do some grain jars, you have the materials for that right now. If you have the right jars, do some PF cakes too. Maybe even gamble a few drops of spores on LC, why not? For the next two or three weeks, there's nothing to do but wait for the first jars, so you might as well make more.
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Re: Sterl. without PC? [Re: Doc_T]
#11743800 - 12/30/09 04:34 PM (15 years, 21 days ago) |
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Yeah, I'm gonna look into the LC thing, I haven't exactly done much research on it. I'm going out right now to purchase some BRF, so.. I'll be back in a bit.
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I'm totally new to cultivating any type of mushroom, but with the PF tek using a covered pot of boiling water is acceptable. Why would a larger pot be unacceptable for bulk? I have a large stew pot that could hold a gallon jug of milk after being raised from the bottom if necessary. It could also double as a cooking item too, though a PC could also . Why would covered boiling for an extended time not be effective if it could fit?
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