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Dead Souls



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Sterl. without PC?
#11738722 - 12/29/09 05:44 PM (15 years, 22 days ago) |
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Okay...
I have been discussing with my wife about growin' some fungi for a moment now, but we are both troubled...
Everywhere around here, even Sears, doesn't have any PCs with a pressure gauge on them. I don't want to be spending any money on a PC that doesn't even hit the spot that I need. And the ones I do find, my wife doesn't like the price on them at all...
And I have been reading a few posts... and a few other forums... People having success with a steaming method. This troubles me, as I know that it could work but don't know how well...
But we both want to experience it again and I am looking for suggestions. Has anyone had success with the steaming method, or will one of these PCs without a pressure gauge get to the point for sterilization?
I am using popcorn, as it's pretty much the most readily available material I have.
Any help would be appreciated
I was wanting to go with a nice PE strain... but any suggestions would be appreciated as well.
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TacoHerder
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if you use the pf tek you dont need a pc. You can birth the cakes or even spawn them to bulk if you would like.
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Dead Souls



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Yeah, I'm not really tryin' to go the PF Tek route again, I failed at that...
It started out successful... but failed in a horrible contam. I wasn't very happy with it..
And I'm tryin' to get pretty good yields with it, and from what I read the PF Tek is lacking.
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well thats the easiest way to go...
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Dead Souls



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If I wanted to spawn to bulk, would I not have to sterilize the bulk?
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daytripper05
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Without a PC you can't do grains. You will have worse contam issues than before. Either get the PF tek right without a PC or order one online. I would go with an All American if you have the extra cash, but if you short on cash and want to get started soon, just get a presto from amazon.
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M11
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Quote:
Dead Souls said: If I wanted to spawn to bulk, would I not have to sterilize the bulk?
You need to sterilize your grain is you want to go bulk. I am much like you in that I really didn't find the PF tek all that fulfilling; I learned a lot about the process though.
For my first bulk grow, I did not PC the grains. All four jars were successfully colonized and I had a very nice yield. I was told I was lucky that they didn't contaminate. I did purchase my rye grain at a health foods store; the rye seemed very clean, so that may have helped?
Anyway, go to wal-mart and buy a $40 10 psi PC. Yes, I know that 15 psi recommended, but you can simply PC your grains at 10 psi for an extra 30 minutes to account for the lower pressure/temp.
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Doc_T
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Re: Sterl. without PC? [Re: M11]
#11738912 - 12/29/09 06:15 PM (15 years, 22 days ago) |
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M11 said: Anyway, go to wal-mart and buy a $40 10 psi PC.
Or get one at Goodwill for $10.
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M11 said: Yes, I know that 15 psi recommended, but you can simply PC your grains at 10 psi for an extra 30 minutes to account for the lower pressure/temp.
Yep. 
And you might think a small PC is small, but you'd be surprised how far a little spawn can go. This is four pints:
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Dead Souls



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Re: Sterl. without PC? [Re: M11]
#11738974 - 12/29/09 06:25 PM (15 years, 22 days ago) |
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So one of those cheap PCs without the gauge WILL work? Just PC it longer... I see, that just made my night. 
Have you tried Popcorn before? I hear it has it's ups and downs, but like I said... it's the most readily available thing I have.
Yeah... PF tek.. eww...
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Dead Souls



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Re: Sterl. without PC? [Re: Doc_T]
#11738984 - 12/29/09 06:27 PM (15 years, 22 days ago) |
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Yes, that would be the PERFECT yield for me and my wife.
I am just growing it for us, ya know. Something for our weekends.
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Doc_T
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I don't like popcorn, especially in a small PC. WBS has a smaller grain size and will sterilize more thoroughly. I prep it like RR does in his video, but the grain hydrates faster than rye because it is smaller. I soak about four hours, simmer 5-10 minutes or until it's al dente. Then strain it well, jar it up, and PC it.
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Dead Souls said: PF tek.. eww...
I've come back around to PF tek for a lot of projects, don't knock it. And really if you can't do PF tek, (vs choosing not to) then you aren't ready for bulk anyway.
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sansa

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Popcorn is not a good substrate. Use wild bird seed, it's much better. Do a search for "WBS tek" and you'll get good methods.
If the PC doesn't have a gauge that just means it's set for 15 PSI which is exactly what you want. There's no need for a gauge really.
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Dead Souls



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Re: Sterl. without PC? [Re: Doc_T]
#11739088 - 12/29/09 06:43 PM (15 years, 22 days ago) |
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I've seen a few different kinds of WBS.
Some big seeds with some green and red and different colored "things" in it.
And I've seen some tiny WBS.
Which is it that you talk about?
And about the PF Tek... I think my problem was the lack of a PC. I tried the whole steam thing and failed at it. That's all.
I understand the whole concept of it, in every shape and form. I just... was... looking for a way to sterilize without spending a ridiculous amount of money... that's all... LOL!
-Edit- I did a search, saw the kind of WBS they are using. Thanks a lot, I really appreciate all your help. When I get to growin', I will keep you updated.
Edited by Dead Souls (12/29/09 06:45 PM)
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Doc_T
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Pennington's. Get Pennington's. Only Pennington's. Or use rye, that's even easier to get right.
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OverPopulation
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Re: Sterl. without PC? [Re: Doc_T]
#11739119 - 12/29/09 06:48 PM (15 years, 22 days ago) |
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Yeah I bought a 8 qrt. pc for 40 bucks and its working out nice.
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Re: Sterl. without PC? [Re: Doc_T]
#11739132 - 12/29/09 06:50 PM (15 years, 22 days ago) |
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Doc_T said: Pennington's. Get Pennington's. Only Pennington's. Or use rye, that's even easier to get right. 
Agreed I have been stuck on Pennington's since I first tried it, all my other WBS projects went sour. MM
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Dead Souls



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Re: Sterl. without PC? [Re: mango man]
#11739140 - 12/29/09 06:51 PM (15 years, 22 days ago) |
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Where do you get Penningtons?
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mango man
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My local petshop sells it dirt cheap. MM
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sansa

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I'm not saying Pennington's isn't great but if you can't find that exact brand I wouldn't let it hold you up. I got the standard issue walmart millet and it's worked fine. It has some other stuff in it other than millet but that doesn't really matter a whole lot. Also, some WBS teks say to take out the floaters and people have tested whether that's worth the effort. You can find the threads on that but basically you don't really HAVE to simmer the WBS or skim off the floaters. It's a more forgiving substrate than some of the teks make it out to be.
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Doc_T
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Dead Souls said: Where do you get Penningtons?
Family Dollar. WM has it, lots of other places. Don't get anything with cracked corn if you can avoid it, it comes out weird. (Works ok, but freaks people out).
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