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Re: Liberty Caps here in December! - and unknown lookalike [Re: UK Explorer]
#11722001 - 12/26/09 04:08 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Seing as thi sthread has gone a bit off topic can I hijack it and ask the question 'Does anyone on here have experience of picking magical shrooms of a species other than libs / cyans in the UK?'
If not anyone from the Uk how about you guys from Germany and the like who may have the same kind of species knocking about.
I know there are meant to be about a dozen in the UK but apart from psiloycby semilcaenta and prob psilocybe strictipes (identical to the untrained eye apart from a redder more winding/less straight stem) I have no knowledge.
Although I've personally never found Psilocybe Cyanescens I know others have and I think I've a good idea about these. Can anyone point to which wouldn't be worth bothering with and which certainly would? Anybody 'skilled' in finding any of these?:
Conocybe kuehneriana

Copelandia cyanescens

Gymnopilus junonius

Gymnopilus purpuratus

Gymnopilus sp.

Inocybe corydalina var. corydalina

Inocybe haemacta

Panaeolus ater

Panaeolus castaneifolius

Panaeolus cinctulus

Panaeolus fimicola

Panaeolus olivaceus

Panaeolus retirugis

Panaeolus sp.

I've certainly seen alot of these pans knocking about the lib fields early in the season, retirugis has always intrigued me and for years i have told myself 'they must be trippy', just has that look with the real black spores to boot. read abit about pan subs foensiceli and reckon i've cwertianly seen these. Take it they are quite weak though.
Pluteus salicinus

Extremely intrigued by this mushroom, especially after reading that it is not as rare as people think.
Psilocybe cyanescens
Psilocybe fimetaria

Sure I've come across these as well, are they always dung lovers? Pictured some last season but read that similar were 'non-active psilocybes' so binned.
Psilocybe semilanceata Psilocybe strictipes
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Re: Liberty Caps here in December! - and unknown lookalike [Re: UK Explorer]
#11724397 - 12/27/09 03:07 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Species that are mentioned in books to grow in the UK don't necessarily need to be count as species that regularly occur in your country.
We had the question about Panaeolus cyanescens growing in England (World Wide Distribution of Magic Mushrooms, Guzman, Allen, Gartz). According to this book, they have been found there, but I highly suspect this to has happened in the South West of GB and in addition, that it doesn't happen too often.
If species such as Pan. cyanescens were anywhere near common (and you probably know that,when it comes to mushrooms, "common" doesn't even mean that you'll ever find it), you could go out and pick them like Libs. Unfortunately you can't, because in normal years, it's probably too cold and / or too dry for them to grow there.
When it comes to the Gymnopilus sp. it's a different thing. According to Stamats, only the US and Japanese "versions" of Gymnipilus sp. are active, while the European ones ain't. I have said this many times, but expect the European ones are different species, than the species in the US and Japan and ain't just inactive.
However, all the other "active" species are likely to be miss ID'd, even my experienced hunters (especially the Inocybe sp.) and therefore probably not the way to go.
Personally, here in Germany, I've found Ps. semilanceata, Ps. cyanescens, Ps. azurescens, Gymnopilus spectabilis, Pluteus salicinus and another active Psilocybe, that couldn't be ID'd (probably Psilocybe arcana).
As far as I know, the occurrence of Psilocybin doesn't necessarily mean, that the mushroom is advised to be consumed. Species such as Stropharia squamosa or Leratiomyces ceres (Stropharia aurantiaca) are suscpected to contain active alkaloids, but also other chemicals, that make you not want to eat these mushrooms!
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Re: Liberty Caps here in December! - and unknown lookalike [Re: Fahkface]
#11724700 - 12/27/09 06:24 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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i had an 1/8 of cubes the other night .i always use my weed grinder to grind them well then i mix them with peanut butter and then spread the mix on ritz crackers.this works well to mask the taste of the mushies.
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Re: Liberty Caps here in December! - and unknown lookalike [Re: greatfulhunters]
#11724862 - 12/27/09 07:45 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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hahaha ive had 680 libs dried in storage for some time now.... i think i need to try them soon. My first flush of cubes (221g wet) are now dried and in storage and have been for the last half a week or so. Second flush is pinning now so looks like ill have more now as well. Definitely the time of year to try them though....
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Re: Liberty Caps here in December! - and unknown lookalike [Re: dicky21]
#11725015 - 12/27/09 08:42 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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nice!!!! that should hold ya for awhileQuote:
dicky21 said: Definitely the time of year to try them though.... 
yeah,my x-mas tree all lit up was the shit.
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Re: Liberty Caps here in December! - and unknown lookalike [Re: greatfulhunters]
#11725358 - 12/27/09 10:14 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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haha ya my sister in law tripped on our tree too.
just think,you can get a decent trip off just 20 of those libs. you have enough for the year. it still blows me away you havent partaken in the sacred fungi yet though dicky !?
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Re: Liberty Caps here in December! - and unknown lookalike [Re: dicky21]
#11726324 - 12/27/09 01:22 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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dicky21 said: hahaha ive had 680 libs dried in storage for some time now.... i think i need to try them soon. My first flush of cubes (221g wet) are now dried and in storage and have been for the last half a week or so. Second flush is pinning now so looks like ill have more now as well. Definitely the time of year to try them though.... 
Get some down you you mad head!
Potency will be lost the longer they are stored...
I'd recommend doing some with a friend, in a place you feel safe away from the outside world with good company around you. Start with a low dose to get a feel for it
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Re: Liberty Caps here in December! - and unknown lookalike [Re: Fahkface]
#11727464 - 12/27/09 05:20 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Fahkface said: Species that are mentioned in books to grow in the UK don't necessarily need to be count as species that regularly occur in your country.
We had the question about Panaeolus cyanescens growing in England (World Wide Distribution of Magic Mushrooms, Guzman, Allen, Gartz). According to this book, they have been found there, but I highly suspect this to has happened in the South West of GB and in addition, that it doesn't happen too often.
If species such as Pan. cyanescens were anywhere near common (and you probably know that,when it comes to mushrooms, "common" doesn't even mean that you'll ever find it), you could go out and pick them like Libs. Unfortunately you can't, because in normal years, it's probably too cold and / or too dry for them to grow there.
When it comes to the Gymnopilus sp. it's a different thing. According to Stamats, only the US and Japanese "versions" of Gymnipilus sp. are active, while the European ones ain't. I have said this many times, but expect the European ones are different species, than the species in the US and Japan and ain't just inactive.
However, all the other "active" species are likely to be miss ID'd, even my experienced hunters (especially the Inocybe sp.) and therefore probably not the way to go.
Personally, here in Germany, I've found Ps. semilanceata, Ps. cyanescens, Ps. azurescens, Gymnopilus spectabilis, Pluteus salicinus and another active Psilocybe, that couldn't be ID'd (probably Psilocybe arcana).
As far as I know, the occurrence of Psilocybin doesn't necessarily mean, that the mushroom is advised to be consumed. Species such as Stropharia squamosa or Leratiomyces ceres (Stropharia aurantiaca) are suscpected to contain active alkaloids, but also other chemicals, that make you not want to eat these mushrooms!
Many thanks for for your detailed response Fahkface, I did wonder about some of the above being widespread in the uk, especially Copelandia cyanescens which is a predominently Hawaiian shroom I thought.
So knock the Inocybes on the head as treading in murky water, I wonder if any shroomerites (especially UK'ers) have had any joy with any of the pan species? They certainly 'look' weak when side by side with ps. semi.
'Big laughing Gym' Gymnopilus spectabilis seems like could be a way forward although I think i have read that you really need to know your stuff when picking this type of shroom too due to unsavoury lookalikes.
Pluteus salicinus, this one still intrigues me, will research further here I think. So long as you are not in deepest Bavaria my guess is the weather where you are in Germany Fahkface is not massively different to ole Blighty. Probably just a little more settled?
I have heard murmuring over the years of 'red caps' which grow earlier in piles of horse dung and the 'haymaker' which is more rounded than the lib (prob a pan?) can anyone divulge further on these.
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Re: Liberty Caps here in December! - and unknown lookalike [Re: UK Explorer]
#11728996 - 12/27/09 10:35 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Many thanks for for your detailed response Fahkface, I did wonder about some of the above being widespread in the uk, especially Copelandia cyanescens which is a predominently Hawaiian shroom I thought.
Not predominantly! It appears in almost every warm and most corner of the world! You probably think so, because they're also called Hawaiians (which is nothing but a made up name...)
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So long as you are not in deepest Bavaria my guess is the weather where you are in Germany Fahkface is not massively different to ole Blighty. Probably just a little more settled?
No, I'm not from Bavaria. But you have to calculate that England is still an island and many kind of species probably didn't make it over yet. So it's likely that there are mushrooms species, that -even if not native- appear in Germany, simply because their way was easier. They didn't have any water on their way.
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Re: Liberty Caps here in December! - and unknown lookalike [Re: UK Explorer]
#11729186 - 12/27/09 11:20 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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UK Explorer said: Many thanks for for your detailed response Fahkface, I did wonder about some of the above being widespread in the uk, especially Copelandia cyanescens which is a predominently Hawaiian shroom I thought.
That's the kind of misconception that comes from people (especially the smart shops in the Netherlands) calling pan cyans "Hawaiians" and cubes "Mexicans". It's a misleading label.
Also, your "Panaeolus retirugis" is Panaeolus papilionaceus (sphinctrinus). It's inactive.
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Re: Liberty Caps here in December! - and unknown lookalike [Re: German Kahuna]
#11737912 - 12/29/09 02:56 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Interesting and informative stuff again chaps, thanking you again! *goes off and researches further
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