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noob needs help
    #11727637 - 12/27/09 05:51 PM (15 years, 24 days ago)

Should i soak a cake of rye sub b4 casing?\


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Re: noob needs help [Re: punkrocker292004]
    #11727664 - 12/27/09 05:56 PM (15 years, 24 days ago)

strait rye grain.no


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Re: noob needs help [Re: whyblameus]
    #11727672 - 12/27/09 05:58 PM (15 years, 24 days ago)

you may want to try to spawn it to some bulk sub.

what size is it?
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Re: noob needs help [Re: whyblameus]
    #11727679 - 12/27/09 06:00 PM (15 years, 24 days ago)

now that i think about it if your gonna just case grains you may want to give it a dunk for extra water.

i have never personally cased strait grains.


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Re: noob needs help [Re: punkrocker292004]
    #11727710 - 12/27/09 06:07 PM (15 years, 24 days ago)

i wouldn't know what to do with just straight grain.

grain doesnt really fruit to well by itself

i forgot about a bag a while ago (6quarts of rye)

all it did after a month and a half of being colonized was produce 2 tiny ass blue mushrooms.

needless to say i spawned that sucker to some coir and it fully colonized 2 bricks in 3 days.


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Re: noob needs help [Re: Citizen13]
    #11727745 - 12/27/09 06:18 PM (15 years, 24 days ago)

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i wouldn't know what to do with just straight grain.

grain doesnt really fruit to well by itself






I thought ATL#7 and the other exotic mexican strains wear to be cased straight after the grain jar is full colonized.

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Re: noob needs help [Re: blackdust]
    #11727756 - 12/27/09 06:20 PM (15 years, 24 days ago)

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i wouldn't know what to do with just straight grain.

grain doesnt really fruit to well by itself






I thought ATL#7 and the other exotic mexican strains wear to be cased straight after the grain jar is full colonized.





i thought that was only for sclerotia, and that was never meant to leave the jar in the first place.

never really messed with them.

maybe you're right. someone else care to chime in?


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Re: noob needs help [Re: blackdust]
    #11727758 - 12/27/09 06:21 PM (15 years, 24 days ago)

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i wouldn't know what to do with just straight grain.

grain doesnt really fruit to well by itself






I thought ATL#7 and the other exotic mexican strains wear to be cased straight after the grain jar is full colonized.




it can be spawned.or just cased.
you can also wait till after harvesting the stones.


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Re: noob needs help [Re: whyblameus]
    #11727766 - 12/27/09 06:23 PM (15 years, 24 days ago)

so ATL will grow fruits (no stones) off of just straight grains?

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Re: noob needs help [Re: Citizen13]
    #11727769 - 12/27/09 06:24 PM (15 years, 24 days ago)

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i wouldn't know what to do with just straight grain.

grain doesnt really fruit to well by itself

i forgot about a bag a while ago (6quarts of rye)

all it did after a month and a half of being colonized was produce 2 tiny ass blue mushrooms.

needless to say i spawned that sucker to some coir and it fully colonized 2 bricks in 3 days.



give me a few to find the link but someone is doing pretty good casing strait wbs.


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Re: noob needs help [Re: Citizen13]
    #11727784 - 12/27/09 06:27 PM (15 years, 24 days ago)

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so ATL will grow fruits (no stones) off of just straight grains?

:themoreyouknow:



let me get that link too.
i think it was spawned though.
but before stones.

i have never grown stones yet and am going off stuff i have read and seen others do.


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Re: noob needs help [Re: whyblameus]
    #11727797 - 12/27/09 06:30 PM (15 years, 24 days ago)

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11665059#11665059

Stonesun's doing good with ATL#7 on cased RGS.

Either way, if you're doing cubes, cased grains will work but you'll get bigger fruits off a bulk sub. I'd say instead of dunking, I'd hydrate as much verm as you have grains, pasturize that, mix it with your grains and case that. That's just me though, there might be better ways to go about it.


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Re: noob needs help [Re: whyblameus]
    #11727820 - 12/27/09 06:36 PM (15 years, 24 days ago)

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Re: noob needs help [Re: whyblameus]
    #11727826 - 12/27/09 06:37 PM (15 years, 24 days ago)

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you may want to try to spawn it to some bulk sub.

what size is it?
and how many do you have?




im casing two 3 lb bags with jiffy mix


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Re: noob needs help [Re: whyblameus]
    #11727858 - 12/27/09 06:44 PM (15 years, 24 days ago)

man i got a bad memory it was jalisco and it was wbs spawned to a mycobag of poo and coir then cased after it colonized.
here is the link.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10925421


and here is the wbs cased.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11657634#11657634

you have to scrool through  the hole thread to see the cased results.actually there on the second page.:thumbup:


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Re: noob needs help [Re: punkrocker292004]
    #11727875 - 12/27/09 06:46 PM (15 years, 24 days ago)

i bought two 3lb bags of steryle rye and the sporeworks stocking stuffer


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Re: noob needs help [Re: Citizen13]
    #11727895 - 12/27/09 06:49 PM (15 years, 24 days ago)

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i wouldn't know what to do with just straight grain.

grain doesnt really fruit to well by itself

i forgot about a bag a while ago (6quarts of rye)

all it did after a month and a half of being colonized was produce 2 tiny ass blue mushrooms.

needless to say i spawned that sucker to some coir and it fully colonized 2 bricks in 3 days.



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Re: noob needs help [Re: punkrocker292004]
    #11727911 - 12/27/09 06:51 PM (15 years, 24 days ago)

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you may want to try to spawn it to some bulk sub.

what size is it?
and how many do you have?




im casing two 3 lb bags with jiffy mix



im not sure how much it is by weight i go by how many quarts it is.

could you take a pic so i can see how big it is.

and i would really recommend spawning it you will get much more.
you use coir and get a brick of it for 5$


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Re: noob needs help [Re: punkrocker292004]
    #11727921 - 12/27/09 06:52 PM (15 years, 24 days ago)

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i bought two 3lb bags of steryle rye and the sporeworks stocking stuffer



ok ill look at sporeworks to see how much your working with.:thumbup:


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Re: noob needs help [Re: stinkfoot4]
    #11727932 - 12/27/09 06:54 PM (15 years, 24 days ago)

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so ATL will grow fruits (no stones) off of just straight grains?

:themoreyouknow:



let me get that link too.
i think it was spawned though.
but before stones.

i have never grown stones yet and am going off stuff i have read and seen others do.




well yeah, if you spawn it of course you will get fruits.

grain just doesnt create the micro-climate for pin development (thats what i was taught at least. i could be wrong)
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i wouldn't know what to do with just straight grain.

grain doesnt really fruit to well by itself

i forgot about a bag a while ago (6quarts of rye)

all it did after a month and a half of being colonized was produce 2 tiny ass blue mushrooms.

needless to say i spawned that sucker to some coir and it fully colonized 2 bricks in 3 days.



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Re: noob needs help [Re: punkrocker292004]
    #11727940 - 12/27/09 06:55 PM (15 years, 24 days ago)

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i bought two 3lb bags of steryle rye and the sporeworks stocking stuffer



Yeah, I'm saying that if you mix in 50% or less hydrated vermiculite you'll probably get better results than just casing your rye berries. Mushrooms are 90% water, while a casing will provide water, the verm will hold in a good amount. If you spawn that rye to substrate you'll double your yeild at LEAST.

It's up to you. I'd try it on at least one bag if you have 3. Maybe one straight cased, one with verm and one to coir/coffee/verm to compare your results.

Unless you're referring to casing as the act of spawning to bulk, and you're actually spawning all of these bags to a bulk substrate, in which case you definitely don't want to soak them. Either way don't soak your grains, implement water with hydrated verm mixed into the grains, or with a casing layer.

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ok ill look at sporeworks to see how much your working with.:thumbup:



I have that 3lb bag. It's not much, about 3 qt jars worth if they're half full.


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Re: noob needs help [Re: whyblameus]
    #11727970 - 12/27/09 07:00 PM (15 years, 24 days ago)

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i bought two 3lb bags of steryle rye and the sporeworks stocking stuffer



ok ill look at sporeworks to see how much your working with.:thumbup:




i bought the bags from everything mushrooms


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Re: noob needs help [Re: punkrocker292004]
    #11727977 - 12/27/09 07:01 PM (15 years, 24 days ago)

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punkrocker292004 said:
i bought two 3lb bags of steryle rye and the sporeworks stocking stuffer



ok ill look at sporeworks to see how much your working with.:thumbup:




i bought the bags from everything mushrooms




and i just ordered them xmas eve so still waiting for um


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Re: noob needs help [Re: punkrocker292004]
    #11728000 - 12/27/09 07:05 PM (15 years, 24 days ago)

if both bags are ready and each about 3 quarts you can make a monotub and get a good amount of mushies.

ill get you a link to how i do mine.:thumbup:


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Re: noob needs help [Re: Citizen13]
    #11728011 - 12/27/09 07:07 PM (15 years, 24 days ago)

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Citizen13 said:
so ATL will grow fruits (no stones) off of just straight grains?

:themoreyouknow:



let me get that link too.
i think it was spawned though.
but before stones.

i have never grown stones yet and am going off stuff i have read and seen others do.




well yeah, if you spawn it of course you will get fruits.

grain just doesnt create the micro-climate for pin development (thats what i was taught at least. i could be wrong)
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Citizen13 said:
i wouldn't know what to do with just straight grain.

grain doesnt really fruit to well by itself

i forgot about a bag a while ago (6quarts of rye)

all it did after a month and a half of being colonized was produce 2 tiny ass blue mushrooms.

needless to say i spawned that sucker to some coir and it fully colonized 2 bricks in 3 days.



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no stonesun just did it i just got beet to that link.:tongue:
i think if you didnt case the grains then you will have that problem.


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Re: noob needs help [Re: whyblameus]
    #11728021 - 12/27/09 07:09 PM (15 years, 24 days ago)

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if both bags are ready and each about 3 quarts you can make a monotub and get a good amount of mushies.

ill get you a link to how i do mine.:thumbup:




i want to produce at least ounce of dry off one flush so let me know how to increase my yield


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Re: noob needs help [Re: whyblameus]
    #11728034 - 12/27/09 07:12 PM (15 years, 24 days ago)

ok heres the link to the monotub tek.

it works great.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10884256/gonew/1#UNREAD


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Re: noob needs help [Re: punkrocker292004]
    #11728050 - 12/27/09 07:14 PM (15 years, 24 days ago)

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if both bags are ready and each about 3 quarts you can make a monotub and get a good amount of mushies.

ill get you a link to how i do mine.:thumbup:




i want to produce at least ounce of dry off one flush so let me know how to increase my yield



check the link i got 5.5 ounces first flush.

the only thing i did different was put a casing.

heres a pic of mine.


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Re: noob needs help [Re: whyblameus]
    #11728056 - 12/27/09 07:15 PM (15 years, 24 days ago)

i cant view the link cause im too new any other exp advice


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Re: noob needs help [Re: whyblameus]
    #11728073 - 12/27/09 07:20 PM (15 years, 24 days ago)

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if both bags are ready and each about 3 quarts you can make a monotub and get a good amount of mushies.

ill get you a link to how i do mine.:thumbup:




i want to produce at least ounce of dry off one flush so let me know how to increase my yield



check the link i got 5.5 ounces first flush.

the only thing i did different was put a casing.

heres a pic of mine.





was that 5.5 dry or wet cause thats amazing


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Re: noob needs help [Re: whyblameus]
    #11728088 - 12/27/09 07:22 PM (15 years, 24 days ago)

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    #11728096 - 12/27/09 07:24 PM (15 years, 24 days ago)

click on the amu q&a link in my sig.

its posted in there too.

its the first thing after the list of names.:thumbup:


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    #11728117 - 12/27/09 07:28 PM (15 years, 24 days ago)

5.5 ounces dry.

and that was b+.


rsn the kss came from damion5050's grow its here.
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Re: noob needs help [Re: whyblameus]
    #11728221 - 12/27/09 07:50 PM (15 years, 24 days ago)

yea thats why i case it has always helped my pin set


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Re: noob needs help [Re: feelfunny]
    #11728302 - 12/27/09 08:10 PM (15 years, 23 days ago)

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Re: noob needs help [Re: feelfunny]
    #11728316 - 12/27/09 08:13 PM (15 years, 23 days ago)

those were cased?

people told me casing pe was bad.wtf fucking liers.

i tried a tin tray without a casing before that mono and got green after waiting 2 weeks and no pins.

so i cased the mono and will always case them too. i dont care what others think.


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Re: noob needs help [Re: punkrocker292004]
    #11728321 - 12/27/09 08:15 PM (15 years, 23 days ago)

hay man did you see the monotub tek in the amu q&a link?


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Re: noob needs help [Re: whyblameus]
    #11728324 - 12/27/09 08:17 PM (15 years, 23 days ago)

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hay man did you see the monotub tek in the amu q&a link?




yah one prob i dont got a pc


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Re: noob needs help [Re: whyblameus]
    #11728356 - 12/27/09 08:25 PM (15 years, 23 days ago)

your bags will be done already and you dont need a pc for the rest so your good.

you boil the water then pour it in a bucket with the coir and verm and cover till its cool.

then pour it in a trash bad with your spawn and mix it in the bag.

then pour it into your ready tub and then wait for colonization. after colonized you can case it or just fruit it like that.:thumbup:

pc is only necessary to sterilize your grain spawn which is coming already sterilized.:thumbup:


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Re: noob needs help [Re: whyblameus]
    #11728377 - 12/27/09 08:34 PM (15 years, 23 days ago)

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your bags will be done already and you dont need a pc for the rest so your good.

you boil the water then pour it in a bucket with the coir and verm and cover till its cool.

then pour it in a trash bad with your spawn and mix it in the bag.

then pour it into your ready tub and then wait for colonization. after colonized you can case it or just fruit it like that.:thumbup:

pc is only necessary to sterilize your grain spawn which is coming already sterilized.:thumbup:



would you recomend casing the monotub after 100% colonization
and should i tub in tub incubate cause i have the aquarium heater and is a fan required


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Re: noob needs help [Re: punkrocker292004]
    #11728433 - 12/27/09 08:48 PM (15 years, 23 days ago)

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your bags will be done already and you dont need a pc for the rest so your good.

you boil the water then pour it in a bucket with the coir and verm and cover till its cool.

then pour it in a trash bad with your spawn and mix it in the bag.

then pour it into your ready tub and then wait for colonization. after colonized you can case it or just fruit it like that.:thumbup:

pc is only necessary to sterilize your grain spawn which is coming already sterilized.:thumbup:



would you recomend casing the monotub after 100% colonization
and should i tub in tub incubate cause i have the aquarium heater and is a fan required




also do you thik i should ad soaked perlite below trash bag and do have yahoo messanger so i can ask a few more q's if not just kepp checkin this


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Re: noob needs help [Re: punkrocker292004]
    #11728537 - 12/27/09 09:10 PM (15 years, 23 days ago)

yea case it after 100% colonized.

dont incubate.they dont need it room temp is perfect.

you need a fan to keep the air in the room circulating.

no perlite the substrate keeps the humidity up.

you can send me a private message asking me questions if you want.
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Re: noob needs help [Re: whyblameus]
    #11728673 - 12/27/09 09:34 PM (15 years, 23 days ago)

If you are straight casing the grains then you can lay a bed of verm and then a layer of the crumbled colonized grain, then a layer of verm/peat casing. It works, but the mushrooms tend to not be as large as bulk trays, and one gets fewer flushes.

This tray was straight grain cased with verm and peat, and several trays produced a good yield considering the trays only had 1" of grain substrate:
The harvest (of several trays):


But if you are going to spawn the colonized grain to bulk substrate, no casing is necessary. Casing can potentially improve yields, but since it is not necessary you can skip it to make the process easier.


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