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Offlinehaze999
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need advice on a FC I have decided on
    #11727306 - 12/27/09 04:51 PM (15 years, 24 days ago)

Hello everyone this is my first post on here and also my first attempt at growing mushrooms. I've been reading all the guides on this site for the last couple of weeks and I believe I'm almost ready to begin this adventure.

I decided on using a martha style FC, and came to realise I have a peice of furniture in my house that has the exact dimensions of a FC that I need.

http://img46.imageshack.us/i/fc1z.jpg/
http://img40.imageshack.us/i/fc2r.jpg/

(I had trouble attaching the images so I provided direct links.)


The FC is made out of wood, and has glass doors/glass shelves. I was wondering...

If I lined the complete inside with thick trashbags/gorilla tape so the moisture wouldn't rot the wood.

Also made a custom "martha style" see through door with zippers to attach behind the two front glass doors to make a see through "second door" which would hopefully then hold in the humidity which would be provided by a cool mist humidifier.

Could this be possible? My only other alternative would be to make a custom sized martha (buy the pvc pipes for the frame, and the see through plastic, attach my own custom zippers etc..)

Thanks in advance.

Edited by haze999 (12/27/09 04:52 PM)

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Re: need advice on a FC I have decided on [Re: haze999]
    #11727369 - 12/27/09 05:02 PM (15 years, 24 days ago)

Hey there :vaped: welcome to the shroomery.:mushroom2:


I see no problems with that plan, just make sure you protect against rot well.

I might worry about those metal parts (magnets/hinges) rusting, I had a FC go sour cause all my cakes turned brown and mutated; culprit being the band I used to secure it in had rusted on the inside of the fc (least my guess as I've never had them do that before ever)

using the top 2 levels or all 3?

be sure to keep us posted :super:

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Re: need advice on a FC I have decided on [Re: haze999]
    #11727489 - 12/27/09 05:23 PM (15 years, 24 days ago)

Hi Ingrimus,

Thanks for the quick reply. I'll be buying two of the same syringe and plan to use up one of the syringes in my first attempt. I'll go straight to quart jars with rye, and will hopefully have 4-8 quart jars live through the first attempt.

I will only use the two glass shelves as I start, but will eventually either use the bottom (easiest option) or add in another glass shelf.

If you don't mind, what do you suggest would be the easiest way to prevent rotting inside the chamber? I was thinking about just cutting out pieces of black garbage bags and making sure I don't leave any room for moisture to reach the wood with waterproof tape.

About the rusting, the front doors and magnets are all attached with screws, so there shouldn't be any problems removing them completely.

Thanks for the advice so far.

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Re: need advice on a FC I have decided on [Re: haze999]
    #11727623 - 12/27/09 05:49 PM (15 years, 24 days ago)

As ingrimus said, welcome to the shroomery!  If it were me, I'd either cover the inside with heavy clear garden plastic, or possibly try painting it with a weather resistant clear poly-ethalyne sealant, like thompsons water seal. Should be a cool looking cabinent when it's done.


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Re: need advice on a FC I have decided on [Re: cowfodder]
    #11732184 - 12/28/09 03:05 PM (15 years, 23 days ago)

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cowfodder said:
As ingrimus said, welcome to the shroomery!  If it were me, I'd either cover the inside with heavy clear garden plastic, or possibly try painting it with a weather resistant clear poly-ethalyne sealant, like thompsons water seal. Should be a cool looking cabinent when it's done.





You do NOT want rot.
Paint it with weather shell/deck paint/marine paint/etc.
Thompsons water sealer would indeed work great for this job.

Then I'd cover it in heavy duty plastic, either the like
"*BOMP* IM A GODDAMN GARBAGE BAG" thickass ones, or the gardening plastic.

Or if you're really worried get the super thin plexiglass and glue/silicone it to make a box inside the box.

Just don't let it go forever without checking it out, whenever you can afford to (without messing around with your grow more then needed) give a quick peek till you feel secure knowing it's not gonna start rotting. (always seal it back up equally well when peeking of course)

You already have the gorilla tape, and that shit's waterproof like a blob of blubber; so just make sure all your seals are well taped with no holes, and you should be fine.

I assume you're doing trays then?
What of?
And with what strain?

Why use the whole syringe? :shrug: Just make an LC with 0.5-3cc of your syringe and do your rye then, way less chance of contam (like 99.9% better chance :super:).

Even if you only have those 2 syringes, it'd be better chance to make up like 3 or 4 lcs with one syringe, and use those/that needle and syringe to inject your rye.

In my (dead) dogs opinion of course; being as all my posts are fictional

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Oh yes, and as for the metal parts.

I'd spray them with water sealer and/or tremclad rust paint and/or marine paint; and then probably make sure they were wrapped in plastic, or attach a sheet of plastic to the top of the chamber, and to the top of the door so that plastic shields those parts that much further (might also help with minor humidity loss, but hopefully it's better sealed with your martha door then that)


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Edited by Ingrimus (12/28/09 03:11 PM)

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Re: need advice on a FC I have decided on [Re: Ingrimus]
    #11732221 - 12/28/09 03:12 PM (15 years, 23 days ago)

deck paint with antifungal additives should help, still cover it with plastic WELL.

personally i would just spend 30 bucks and get a real greenhouse because inevitably you will run into mold with that setup.

you could bypass the plastic and buy fosters 40/20 paint but that costs ~$400.00 USD for a 5 gallon minimum.

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here is some pics of a PVC/poly plastic greenhouse you could make:







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Re: need advice on a FC I have decided on [Re: Citizen13]
    #11732283 - 12/28/09 03:23 PM (15 years, 23 days ago)

:thumbup::eek:


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Re: need advice on a FC I have decided on [Re: Ingrimus]
    #11733030 - 12/28/09 05:22 PM (15 years, 23 days ago)

If you can get silica or drierite and put some in between the wood and the plastic it'll help prevent againt molds; I have a stereo case I used for a similar setup with deck paint and garbage bags with gorilla tape and it never had any mold issues whatsoever, I just..use it as a stereo case now though :tongue2:

but yea, for the cost of the paint the pvc might be cheaper.
but it's worth the extra cost (minimal if any) for the assurance you won't run into wood mold problems :super:


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LEARN TENACITY - HAVE PATIENCE.
WITHOUT IT - YOU WILL NOT SUCCEED AT THIS HOBBY.
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Edited by Ingrimus (12/28/09 05:24 PM)

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Re: need advice on a FC I have decided on [Re: Ingrimus]
    #11733043 - 12/28/09 05:24 PM (15 years, 23 days ago)

with the clear doors it's not stealth.

so that means you are putting in lots of work/money/time for little gain.

there's no reason why you shouldn't just make one or buy one. it will cost you the same amount and be the same or less work after you are done


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Re: need advice on a FC I have decided on [Re: feelfunny]
    #11733059 - 12/28/09 05:27 PM (15 years, 23 days ago)

All this talk about rot is making me reconsider my choice, it might be more cost effective to just make my own chamber. I need certain dimensions because of prying eyes around my house.

I'm familiar with making frames for stuff so it shouldn't be too difficult.

Yes, I am going to do trays. I'm starting with the "Cambodian" strain. My casing material will be a mix of peat moss/vermiculite. Hopefully if I recieve the SOTM from Raplhs I'll have the Chilean strain as well. I put in the order for the syringes today.

Citizen13,

If I was to construct one it would be just like that, what kind of light tube is that specifically? Also what is that black plastic tarp made out of?

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Re: need advice on a FC I have decided on [Re: Citizen13]
    #11733069 - 12/28/09 05:31 PM (15 years, 23 days ago)

yea, I had no real indication he cared about it being stealth.
He is using a bloody humidifier after all :tongue2: and no indication of lighting either.

So I'm assuming he'll use the clear doors for that purpose.

A big pvc/poly brick isn't stealth either, or as pleasing to the eye (of some) as a nice neat cabinet with a humidifier tucked beside it all clean and ducky.

But if I had the ability to grow in the open I'd choose the pvc IMO; though I prefer monotubs overall :shrug:


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Re: need advice on a FC I have decided on [Re: Ingrimus]
    #11733075 - 12/28/09 05:32 PM (15 years, 23 days ago)

It's just black poly sheeting, and the light is one of those tube enclosed led strings, you can get them at the store for like 5-10 bucks.
(outdoor preferred, but I've used "indoor tube lights!" meant for your room with no electrical shock so far :vaped:)


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LEARN TENACITY - HAVE PATIENCE.
WITHOUT IT - YOU WILL NOT SUCCEED AT THIS HOBBY.
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THIS SHIT IS MAGICAL TRIPSTALMETH STOP JUDGEMENTING ON MY HABITS

Edited by Ingrimus (12/28/09 05:33 PM)

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Re: need advice on a FC I have decided on [Re: haze999]
    #11733088 - 12/28/09 05:35 PM (15 years, 23 days ago)

Quote:

haze999 said:
All this talk about rot is making me reconsider my choice, it might be more cost effective to just make my own chamber. I need certain dimensions because of prying eyes around my house.

I'm familiar with making frames for stuff so it shouldn't be too difficult.

Yes, I am going to do trays. I'm starting with the "Cambodian" strain. My casing material will be a mix of peat moss/vermiculite. Hopefully if I recieve the SOTM from Raplhs I'll have the Chilean strain as well. I put in the order for the syringes today.

Citizen13,

If I was to construct one it would be just like that, what kind of light tube is that specifically? Also what is that black plastic tarp made out of?




the light is a 6500k led light but that chamber ended up being modded with a 3'x1' clear plastic window in the back to let in natural light from a window because natural light is always better. if you cant do that, the 6500k led rope light will work just fine to.

the sheeting:


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Re: need advice on a FC I have decided on [Re: Ingrimus]
    #11733124 - 12/28/09 05:40 PM (15 years, 23 days ago)

my only problem with the rope was my fruits fanned out towards the walls, so I wrapped the sections along the walls in gorilla tape and they went straight on up = )


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Re: need advice on a FC I have decided on [Re: Citizen13]
    #11733136 - 12/28/09 05:42 PM (15 years, 23 days ago)

At the top left of the page , under  where it says your username, click picks.

You can upload the photoes there and it will give yoiu the code to paste into your reply. its a handy gallery, if yoiu upload multiple photos it will give yoiu the code for each picture and for all of them at once.

welcome to the forums and goodluck with yoiur martha


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Re: need advice on a FC I have decided on [Re: Ingrimus]
    #11733246 - 12/28/09 06:04 PM (15 years, 23 days ago)

Quote:

Ingrimus said:
my only problem with the rope was my fruits fanned out towards the walls, so I wrapped the sections along the walls in gorilla tape and they went straight on up = )




I'm not sure what you mean by this. Can you go into more detail? By rope do you mean the led-string light?

Also my FC will be in a closet so natural light isn't possible. Are there any dangers of c02 buildup since it's in an enclosed environment?

Also is using a humidifier a bad idea? I was under the impression that it was one of the more reliable methods of keeping up the rH.

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Re: need advice on a FC I have decided on [Re: haze999]
    #11733927 - 12/28/09 08:04 PM (15 years, 22 days ago)

no it's a very good idea, it also helps with air exchange.
yes by rope I mean the light string

Keeping the FC off the floor helps the c02 drain off, as well as the occasional quick fanning out of the closet, which helps against pockets being built up (if it's got a single piece non-sliding door [like a regular door] then opening/closing the door quickly once or twice should be more then enough)

Mushrooms grow towards the light, so my mushrooms by the sides grew towards the sides and up, instead of straight up, like \|/ once I taped the lights off (cept for the ones straight above) they grew more like |||
some people don't use lights\a clear lid at all, and use the light coming from the sides of their monotubs\fcs\etc. which can result IME a bed of shrooms basically "laying down" instead of a happy shroom field.

no real weight difference in my experience, but I like the look of the nice straight ones.


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Re: need advice on a FC I have decided on [Re: Ingrimus]
    #11733967 - 12/28/09 08:10 PM (15 years, 22 days ago)

Quote:

Ingrimus said:
some people don't use lights\a clear lid at all, and use the light coming from the sides of their monotubs\fcs\etc. which can result IME a bed of shrooms basically "laying down" instead of a happy shroom field.

no real weight difference in my experience, but I like the look of the nice straight ones.






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Re: need advice on a FC I have decided on [Re: Citizen13]
    #11734298 - 12/28/09 09:24 PM (15 years, 22 days ago)

as long as they work im happey


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Re: need advice on a FC I have decided on [Re: feelfunny]
    #11734344 - 12/28/09 09:32 PM (15 years, 22 days ago)

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feelfunny said:
as long as they work im happey



same
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