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growing mushrooms without pressure cooker
    #11723295 - 12/26/09 09:28 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

is this possible...also i am willing to spend $50 dollars on items such as verm etc...what should i use as casing mix if im willing to spend only $50


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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: Feed_your_head]
    #11723301 - 12/26/09 09:30 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Feed_your_head said:
is this possible...also i am willing to spend $50 dollars on items such as verm etc...what should i use as casing mix if im willing to spend only $50




Using the pf tek method (brf cakes), I didn't use a PC to sterilize -- I just steamed the jars (filled with the brf/verm + verm layer) for about three hours and then let them cool overnight.  No contaminants at all, even with one jar that was cracked during the process!

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: Feed_your_head]
    #11723302 - 12/26/09 09:30 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

www.mushroomvideos.com

BRF tek

It's all under 50$ total.

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: Feed_your_head]
    #11723306 - 12/26/09 09:32 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

of course. steam sterilize in a pot using the pftek.

click a few of the stickies at the top of this board to get a start, then check out some mushroom growing videos. RR's are a good place to begin, he lays it out step by step in a very uncomplicated manner that anybody with half a brain can understand and follow.

"casing" is a term used for a non-nutritive layer ontop of a bulk substrate (trays or tubs) to help with the microclimate and pin development.

you can spawn pftek jars to poo/coir/straw etc but its not very economical, so i would suggest sticking with cakes until then.


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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: Feed_your_head]
    #11723307 - 12/26/09 09:32 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Yes, it is very possible to cultivate shrooms, without a PC, a PC is a good tool tho for more invested cultivators, it is useful for bulk grows, http://www.shroomery.org/20/Casing-Procedures ; has all the casing teks, I'm guessing you're getting ready for your first grow??? , since you're looking for casing teks, meaning you're gonna do casings, it would be a good idea to invest in a PC

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: GoodTimez101]
    #11723398 - 12/26/09 10:05 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Yes, it is very possible to cultivate shrooms, without a PC, a PC is a good tool tho for more invested cultivators, it is useful for bulk grows, http://www.shroomery.org/20/Casing-Procedures ;  has all the casing teks, I'm guessing you're getting ready for your first grow??? , since you're looking for casing teks, meaning you're gonna do casings, it would be a good idea to invest in a PC




in the interest of correct terminology being used as much as possible on this board, call it "bulk" or "tubs" or anything else besides "casings"

casing is when you add a non-nutritive layer to the top of your substrate to assist in the micro climate for your pin development.

essentially, when one rolls their cake in vermiculite, they are "casing"


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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: NGC6705]
    #11724548 - 12/27/09 04:31 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Using the pf tek method (brf cakes), I didn't use a PC to sterilize -- I just steamed the jars (filled with the brf/verm + verm layer) for about three hours and then let them cool overnight.  No contaminants at all, even with one jar that was cracked during the process!

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Exactly, except that 90 mins is enough (for half pint jars). Just double the PCing time. Fot bigger jars the time is also more.


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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: MissShroom]
    #11724808 - 12/27/09 07:16 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

u can sterlize with bleach. i hear thats what they do commercialy and in the 'smoothie tek'. Also research fractal sterilization.

smoothie tek
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7478182/fpart/1/vc/1

edit.. sry  its called fractional sterilization

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: Ogla]
    #11724852 - 12/27/09 07:40 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I would steam sterilize PF tek for 3-4hrs but you will still lose some....wbs and grains wont work with steam sterilization most of the time....why don't you just get a PC for like $30 on ebay, you really need it. Otherwise you will waste tons of cash on failures...


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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: rizingfire]
    #11724867 - 12/27/09 07:46 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Just buy a PC. You won't waste your time growing nasty shit you don't want to grow. You can get one at a lot of places for pretty cheap.

If you're going to "steam sterilize" I would do it multiple times over a few days. You will have a higher success rate. (AKA fractional sterilization)

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: rizingfire]
    #11725192 - 12/27/09 09:34 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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I would steam sterilize PF tek for 3-4hrs but you will still lose some....




No, you won't unless your inoculant is contaminated or your procedure is not sterile.  1/2 pint brf/pf cakes are considered sterilized after 90 minutes in steam as shown in the brf tek videos.
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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: Messiah of Savants]
    #11725213 - 12/27/09 09:39 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I've steam sterilized 18 pf jars, just put in a big pot and steamed for 90 mins. No contams whatsoever. Just make sure that your sterile technique is good, pay attention to directions, and you should be just fine! Check out pf tek for simple minds, or RR's videos.:thumbup:

I would suggest spawning your colonized jars to poo or coir. I spawned my first set of jars to horse poo (which you can get for free, check craigslist), and a couple days ago I put those trays in the fruiting chamber. The growth is incredible! They're progressing much faster than the pf cake that I put in there a week before. It's not really that much of an extra step, and you can get bigger yields than you could with just cakes.

Personally, I'd wait to get the pc till you can better afford it, unless you can find a cheap one on craigslist or at a thrift shop. I don't plan on getting a pc until the fruits of my labor provide me with the means to purchase one. Then I'll find a reasonably priced one. This seems to be the kind of hobby that can pay for itself after a while, if you're patient and that's your intent.

For a casing mix, I've seen some people around here use Jiffy Mix. It's like 50/50, but premixed. Do a search on it. I've never used it myself, but a bag costs about 3 or 4 bucks. If you spawn to poo, you don't really have to use a casing layer if you don't want to since it holds a lot of moisture on it's own.


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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: Sinoc]
    #11725312 - 12/27/09 10:04 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Sinoc said:
www.mushroomvideos.com

BRF tek

It's all under 50$ total.



it sure would be nice, i suppose for some people, to have all the grow TEC's be listed in order of money cost. may be a time cost list too.
myself, i don't get it. everything costs, right? as does everything pay.

gosh fifty bucks is like 3 movies now-a-days, look closley at the TEC's, the good ones DON'T USE THE WORD "OR".
i don't know what the end game is for everyone, but this science hobby is to me incalcuable in terms of value i get from fully endevoring myself, my time, and resources into.

cutting corners, skipping/ommitting steps, doing it on "the cheap" ain't what science(a learning endevor) is all about.

just try to quantify the "payoff" and see how the math comes out.

and for the love of shrooms, get a little pocket change together befor you start.

~stinky~

p.s. buy a pressure cooker, you can make wickkid good squash and turnup in it too. you're gonna love it!


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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: stinkfoot4]
    #11725340 - 12/27/09 10:10 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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p.s. buy a pressure cooker, you can make wickkid good squash and turnup in it too. you're gonna love it!




Or lobster, which, after steaming for ten minutes is placed on the BBQ grill until slightly toasted, then dipped in butter and. . . . :tongue:
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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #11725439 - 12/27/09 10:33 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

i always feel bad for that little guy when i see that pic
their sad little screams as they go for a swim in a tasty yet hot broth


but the rewards of having to hear them suffer
and seeing the sad looks on their faces


so yea for PF tek 90 min is fine

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: noobieshroomie]
    #11725674 - 12/27/09 11:33 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not sure if the same deal will be available at your local target, but i found a fairly nice pressure cooker reduced from ~$45 to $21 at mine the other day.
They're not very hard to acquire.

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: noobieshroomie]
    #11725761 - 12/27/09 11:49 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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i always feel bad for that little guy when i see that pic
their sad little screams as they go for a swim in a tasty yet hot broth


but the rewards of having to hear them suffer
and seeing the sad looks on their faces


so yea for PF tek 90 min is fine

      -noobie-



if you eat a mushroom off a cake and nobody else sees but you, the mushroom you are eating, and the other mushrooms on the cake. do the mushrooms not being eaten feel the event?

'round where i live pressure cookers are just standard household objects, like T.V.'s frididgeairs and drive ways, hence my puzzlement about this steaming issue.

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: stinkfoot4]
    #14964253 - 08/23/11 05:01 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

ok i am going to do an experiment that i hope works.

-1 cup fine verm spread out on a sheet of tin foil and put in oven at  400F

-Half cup brown rice (manually grounded to flour) spread out on a sheet of tin foil and put in the oven alongside the verm both at 400F for about 15-20 minutes.

-Half cup unopened poland spring water bottle

-4CC Spore syringe Solution

-Mix everything together very well in a large sterile bowl

-fill up jars, top off with verm, pretend pressure cookers never existed.

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: marijuana dan]
    #14964553 - 08/23/11 07:36 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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ok i am going to do an experiment that i hope works.

-1 cup fine verm spread out on a sheet of tin foil and put in oven at  400F

-Half cup brown rice (manually grounded to flour) spread out on a sheet of tin foil and put in the oven alongside the verm both at 400F for about 15-20 minutes.

-Half cup unopened poland spring water bottle

-4CC Spore syringe Solution

-Mix everything together very well in a large sterile bowl

-fill up jars, top off with verm, pretend pressure cookers never existed.




Okay, well putting the verm and rice flour in the oven is all fine and dandy it will be sterilized. But when you pull it out to put it all in the bowl bacteria and mold in the air is going to get on it. 
Sterile bowl? how so, alcohol?
You can try this but your chances of success are minimal.
What you really need to do is go to this website and follow the directions EXACTLY.  Roger's PF-Tek video guide  It's cheap and very beginner friendly.

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: marijuana dan]
    #14964561 - 08/23/11 07:40 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

that's not gonna work.


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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: SexySmurff]
    #14965183 - 08/23/11 11:01 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

:oldthread: but marijuana dan , cook it in an oven bag or spawnbag at least.. oven pasteurization

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: Ogla]
    #14965244 - 08/23/11 11:17 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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:oldthread: but marijuana dan , cook it in an oven bag or spawnbag at least.. oven pasteurization





Coming from the guy who recommended sterilizing with bleach.


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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: dtowntoker]
    #14965309 - 08/23/11 11:34 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

a long time ago  yes

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: dtowntoker]
    #14965324 - 08/23/11 11:36 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i paid 8 bucs for a big ass pot at dollar general and i put a rack in the bottom to keep the jars up and then i weight the lid down with 2 liter bottles full of water it works great

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: nataba]
    #14965810 - 08/23/11 01:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Hey guys i am surprised of how many responses i got in such little time! Thanks! Remember my key term here was "try" haha, i used six baby jars that my dad was going to toss in the garbage anyways so why not... i like experimenting and i would like to see how my jars would come out (if any make it, even 1!!) but this is not a standardized method by any means and i have had much sucess in the past by throwing all of my substrate jars into a big metal pot with a glass lid (99% airtight) and i put a weight on the lid. This has always worked.
    My only problem with Pressure Cooking is that the internal contents of my jars always seemed to be tightly compacted by the process.. My whole entire substrate seems to solidify together during this method. I always make sure no water could enter/exit my jar with multiple layers of tinfoil so that is not the problem. I just noticed that the top layer of verm always looks darker after i pressure cook and if you flip the jars upside down, nothing falls out.. It's all pressed together!! I hate PC'ing! maybe if i learn some way to loosen the contents inside after the pressure cook?? like poke it with toothpicks or something? I just feel like this slows the mycelial growth down tremendously.

I am curious to see how these jars come out.. I am hoping for the best but expecting the worst... I need to learn things the hard way as i just cant bring myself to believe that contaminates work as quickly as everybody says that they do. We'll see

Packing the jars couldn't have gone better as the contents are super loose and airy. I put one scoop of sterilized verm on top of every cake i might add.

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: marijuana dan]
    #14966287 - 08/23/11 02:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Just making a post so I can have enough to see another thread. Don't mind me :P.

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: Feed_your_head]
    #14970229 - 08/24/11 09:57 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

What is the issue with forum rules? This is an old thread covering the same content.. so what? Why do people get burnt for posting their thoughts and ideas into a thread that describes exactly what i thought of doing. What does the age of the thread have to do with any of the information listed? It covers the same material. If it was during a past time that was no longer relevant and perhaps used different means of technology, than i would consider making a new thread. But 2 years later, covering my exact same question.. just does not seem old to me, and people seem to read and respond to what i post just fine. In a way i almost feel sorry for the people who aknowledge and abide by these nerdy rules. It is the internet afterall..

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: marijuana dan]
    #14970349 - 08/24/11 10:27 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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What is the issue with forum rules? This is an old thread covering the same content.. so what? Why do people get burnt for posting their thoughts and ideas into a thread that describes exactly what i thought of doing. What does the age of the thread have to do with any of the information listed? It covers the same material. If it was during a past time that was no longer relevant and perhaps used different means of technology, than i would consider making a new thread. But 2 years later, covering my exact same question.. just does not seem old to me, and people seem to read and respond to what i post just fine. In a way i almost feel sorry for the people who aknowledge and abide by these nerdy rules. It is the internet afterall..



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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: dtowntoker]
    #14981174 - 08/26/11 09:55 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

hey guys, my jars from my experiment are begging to colonize. The mycelium is very evenly distributed as the whole jar seems to be turning white at the same time. Its working much faster than my Pressure cooked jars that show no signs of growth yet. There are also no signs of cantamination. Here's a pic.


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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: marijuana dan]
    #14981241 - 08/26/11 10:14 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

People say you need a PC, dan im like you i started by just wanting to experIment with growing them, ive read this thread and idk what tek you did lol. I followed the pf tek for my first grow. Flled my jars with sub material(verm,brf,water) and i put them in a crockpot with a rag on the bottom, bring to a boil and reduce so its jus bubbling barely, leave it in there for 60-120 mins take it off the heat, wait till room temp then inoculate.


Hope everything turns out great for you. I really only started growing so tha i could have my own fungus to eat <3.  Anyways my first try is coming along just dandy its not rocket science. Its all about being sterile and following te directions to the T. 


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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: kronikpuff]
    #14981360 - 08/26/11 10:46 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

those cakes r gonna be a bitch to get outa those jars

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: nataba]
    #14981469 - 08/26/11 11:12 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Not true. Ive used them before, they only cost me about 20 cents a jar.. they are 4oz (1/4 pint) and i break them open with a light tap from the ball end of a hammer,the cakes dont get harmed at all and ive never even gotten a blue spot from using this method. I've birthed many cakes this way. look


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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: marijuana dan]
    #14981656 - 08/26/11 11:50 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Four fluid ounces is not a half pint.


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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: dtowntoker]
    #14982011 - 08/26/11 01:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

oh shit your right i guess i should throw everything out and call it quits..

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: marijuana dan]
    #14982035 - 08/26/11 01:21 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Idk why i said they were half pints lol (revised it), i think my mind was thinking half of a half pint.. i pick up half pints from walmart all the time, i know what they are.. My bad, Quarter pints!! Oh yeah and they are gerber baby jars lol

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: marijuana dan]
    #14982209 - 08/26/11 02:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Just making sure because when I firat started I thought I was using pint jars but I was using tall half pints :facepalm:


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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: dtowntoker]
    #14986504 - 08/27/11 12:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Hey guys, i dont know if its because im using a regular metal pot with a clamped down lid.. but when i attempt to pressure cook.. all the water seems to get sucked up to the top layer of verm.. This makes it so i get black mold contams right along the increased moisture line top verm layer. Not all my jars have this problem as many have them have colonized just fine.. What i occasionally do is flip the jar over to get that wet verm to fall out and than replace it with a fresh layer of dry verm.. I noticed when i flip the jars over the brownrice/verm mixture does not fall out as it is quite solid. (if i push a toothpick down through it you can feel quite a bit of resistance).. Is this because i don't own a real pressure cooker? It's just something about where the moisture resides after a sterilization that the cakes do not like.. The jars that i've used with my experimental TEK (you can see what i mean if you look at page 1) are actually doing better, but that might just be a coincidence as contams can pop up at any time..

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: marijuana dan]
    #14986705 - 08/27/11 12:54 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Why is everyone reviving old threads? this is like the fifth or sixth one this week.


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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: virus1824]
    #14987034 - 08/27/11 01:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

because it covers the same material. thanks for your help, appreciate it.

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: marijuana dan]
    #14987043 - 08/27/11 02:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Dan, your not using a pressure cooker? Just a normal pot And a lid?

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: kronikpuff] * 1
    #14987061 - 08/27/11 02:06 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Correct, but i just thought of something, what if i put a triplefolded piece of tinfoil over the pot before covering it with a lid.. Sounds air tight to me.. but then again i have no idea what im talking about and would hate to blow up my house. Heres what i mean



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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: marijuana dan]
    #14987082 - 08/27/11 02:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Heres what i do thats seemed to work for me. Im doing it the same exact wa with jus a normal big pot and lid. I put my jars in the bottom with a rag on the bottom, put 2 inches or so (i think your actually using smaller jars so just maybe an inch, bring water to a big boil, and then reduce hea so its a simmering boil, let boil for 120 minutes. Theres a tek on this website that is perfect for not using a pressure cooker but i cant find it since my computer crashed. But its how i have done my jars. Worked the firs time, i just did it again yesterday.

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: kronikpuff]
    #14987088 - 08/27/11 02:12 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I dont worry about air tightness....people will prolly say the tek i found is old and out dated, but its working for me...

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: kronikpuff]
    #14987126 - 08/27/11 02:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Awesome man, im glad thats worked for you, i will do the same. In the 60 dollar "Lets Grow Mushrooms" video i bought, he says to put rocks or jar lids or crumbled up foil at the bottom to keep the jars off of the bottom.. For some reason he says this exactly word for word (opening the video now)

"on the site that i teach on alot of people put umm a dish towel or a or a or a towel in the bottom and then they'll put water in there and then put their jars on top of the dish towel and uh its just not a real good method"  lol stuttering stanley

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: marijuana dan]
    #14987187 - 08/27/11 02:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Meh maybe cuz it takes up some of the air? I did it to keep the jars from cracking fro. Heat.

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: kronikpuff]
    #14987517 - 08/27/11 04:05 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

your verm layer is getting wet in the pc because:
1. your not using foil on the lid, or
2. your releasing the pressure manually and too fast.  the pressure forces the water vapor out the pot and ALSO your jars, the verm layer is the first in line to condensate the moisture thats why it gets wet.


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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: pockets le peu]
    #14987912 - 08/27/11 05:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Even if i do it correctly the body of the substate is hardened tenfold

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: marijuana dan]
    #14988188 - 08/27/11 06:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i never use my stove for growing... everything is sterilized in microwavable containers for like 4 minutes in the microwave...

works like a charm, easier and faster than most meals i cook for myself



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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: marijuana dan]
    #14988717 - 08/27/11 08:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

yea i never considered breakin the jar 20 cents a peice is cheap where at?

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: nataba]
    #14988976 - 08/27/11 09:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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yea i never considered breakin the jar 20 cents a peice is cheap where at?





Why would you break the jar if you didnt have to? You can just steralize your bigger jars...not break them and reuse.

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: kronikpuff]
    #14990536 - 08/28/11 10:12 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I know you guys are really hung up about my jars, but as i mentioned before my dad was throwing them out (a 12 pack) and he kindly asked me if i would like to use them for my mushrooms. I said yeah sure thank's dad! (then we danced around for hours).. I've had them for awhile now and IMO they make awesome mini substrates. I just like how cool and mini they look, Im sorry if you lost any sleep over it..

As for nataba, you can get them super cheap in one of those 12 packs at wal-mart. If not you will find them in your local grocery store for like 48cents a piece. I also have two unopened 12 pack's of BALL brand name jars, so im not cheap or anything.. i just thought it would be cool to have a mini cylindrical shaped substrate, And it sure was!

Im well aware that no one is obligated to respond to my questions or give me any input at all, but when i see new posts i think to myself "finally the answers to my questions!!" but i guess not lol

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: marijuana dan]
    #14991277 - 08/28/11 12:52 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Im not aware that you had a question...lol.

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: kronikpuff]
    #14991381 - 08/28/11 01:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

...You are not helping me along and you are not going to succeed in making me feel stupid. I can understand if you have too much free time on your hands but please, use it to pester somebody else. thanks

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: marijuana dan]
    #14991594 - 08/28/11 01:54 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

your questions are not plainly stated man, its difficult to find your questions between all of your bitching about other posters who aren't helping you.:shrug:

some advice i have about your steam cooker set up is that it should not be air tight, it will need to vent that is how a steam cooker works if its really airtight it will exploded from the pressure.

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: SurReality]
    #14997116 - 08/29/11 02:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Well i find it difficult to analyze your input due to the swirling compilation of girly colors under your comment, but thanks for trying. Man. 

In conclusion i have discovered that contaminants are not as abundant as people claim they are. I have been able to validate my tek with five fully colonized jars that i have made without any pressure cooker at all. Not only does my method work faster but the consistency and the water levels throughout the substrate are much more balanced. This calls for much happier mycelium!

This is what you need to do. Mix your VERM and BRF together in a metal pot than put it in the ovem at 400 degrees for about 15-20 minutes (or until you begin to smell the cooking of brown rice). After this you add sterilized bottled water until the consistency is just right. Now fill you jars up 85% then top them off with a scoop of DRY verm. After this cover your jars with tinfoil and then put them back in the oven on a different piece of tinfoil (so the glass isnt touching the metal) and leave them in there for about 7 minutes. You will not have any contamination using this tek. After this flame sterilize your spore syringe and inoculate. Cover the 4 holes you just made in your tinfoil lids with a piece of folded over napkin and rubberband it around the top. You will have fully colonized jars in half the time it takes with a pressure cooker.

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: marijuana dan]
    #14997432 - 08/29/11 03:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Well i find it difficult to analyze your input due to the swirling compilation of girly colors under your comment, but thanks for trying. Man. 

In conclusion i have discovered that contaminants are not as abundant as people claim they are. I have been able to validate my tek with five fully colonized jars that i have made without any pressure cooker at all. Not only does my method work faster but the consistency and the water levels throughout the substrate are much more balanced. This calls for much happier mycelium!

This is what you need to do. Mix your VERM and BRF together in a metal pot than put it in the ovem at 400 degrees for about 15-20 minutes (or until you begin to smell the cooking of brown rice). After this you add sterilized bottled water until the consistency is just right. Now fill you jars up 85% then top them off with a scoop of DRY verm. After this cover your jars with tinfoil and then put them back in the oven on a different piece of tinfoil (so the glass isnt touching the metal) and leave them in there for about 7 minutes. You will not have any contamination using this tek. After this flame sterilize your spore syringe and inoculate. Cover the 4 holes you just made in your tinfoil lids with a piece of folded over napkin and rubberband it around the top. You will have fully colonized jars in half the time it takes with a pressure cooker.







Exactly what i did except i didnt sterilize my brf or verm

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: marijuana dan]
    #14997641 - 08/29/11 04:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Well i find it difficult to analyze your input due to the swirling compilation of girly colors under your comment, but thanks for trying. Man. 




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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: kronikpuff]
    #14997941 - 08/29/11 05:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

baking it at 400 degrees is not sterilizing it.  i don't want you to think that.


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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: SexySmurff]
    #14998574 - 08/29/11 07:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I figured out the best way to seal your jars is to inoculate through tinfoil, than put a folded napkin over the tinfoil that has 4 inoculation holes in it. After the napkin is in place over the tinfoil than screw the lid on. Check it out



Smurf i cant prove it is 100% sterilization but its been working for me just fine.

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: marijuana dan]
    #14999029 - 08/29/11 08:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i don't understand why you don't just sterilize your substrate while in the jars (or am i misunderstanding, it sounds like you bake the substrate in bulk, add water, and then put the substrate in jar?)

what ever works for you, works:shrug: i've just never heard of sterilizing substrate outside of the jars. but if its working with no contamination. then more power to yea:thumbup:


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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: SurReality]
    #14999053 - 08/29/11 08:52 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

This resurrected thread is a big clusterfuck of bad noob ideas. :noob::tard:


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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: Chez man]
    #15000412 - 08/30/11 05:10 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

... I have to admit its noob stuff but it seems to be working

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: marijuana dan]
    #15000417 - 08/30/11 05:18 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

If you try my method, you will find that every scoop you spoon into the jars is steaming so it seems pretty darn sterile to me. I believe personally that contamination is going to exist no matter what, it just depends on the conditions/speed that it is able to thrive in your jars. I think if you use just the perfect amount of moisture, combined with the speed at which mycelium colonizes, i think you can beat contams anyday.. But thats just me, in my own little post on the interwebs.. so who knows. So far so good

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: marijuana dan]
    #15000419 - 08/30/11 05:22 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I believe personally that contamination is going to exist no matter what,




i have left jars of grainspawn un inoculated for months, and no contams grew

i then injected spores. and voila.


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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: SurReality]
    #15000458 - 08/30/11 05:54 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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i never use my stove for growing... everything is sterilized in microwavable containers for like 4 minutes in the microwave...





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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: CYaN1c1oWN]
    #15000622 - 08/30/11 07:17 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

That intrigued me as well, i would like to try out the microwave method myself.

But you know when you heat up a slice of pizza and the center of it is still cold? Im just concerned it wont heat fully.

if worst comes to worst all you lose is a little brown rice and verm. It's good to experiment with different things no matter how much people tell you it's not going to work.

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    #15000636 - 08/30/11 07:21 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

so you injected spores and contamination grew? ...awesome

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    #15000640 - 08/30/11 07:25 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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i never use my stove for growing... everything is sterilized in microwavable containers for like 4 minutes in the microwave...





Huh... no kidding... Have you ever had a contam? This is very interesting!




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    #15000643 - 08/30/11 07:26 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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so you injected spores and contamination grew? ...awesome




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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: SurReality]
    #15000670 - 08/30/11 07:40 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: The Influence]
    #15000947 - 08/30/11 09:30 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i wad direceting it towards koolaid, i thought  you would somehow be able to tell because i selected the dropdown arrow/ reply to k00laid

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um no.

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    #15001868 - 08/30/11 01:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Here is the same jar i posted a picture of 4 days ago, keep in mind this has NOT been through a pressure cooker or any sort of steam sterilization.




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    #15002137 - 08/30/11 02:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

myc is supposed to be ropey, that looks fuzzy like cobweb mold.


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what is that stuff?


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    #15002449 - 08/30/11 03:31 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

lol its not mold is it..

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    #15002467 - 08/30/11 03:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I was wondering why that one jar was doing so good.. Well if thats the case thats the only jar thats contammed.

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    #15002473 - 08/30/11 03:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i dunno, rather powdery looking.


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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: SurReality]
    #15002611 - 08/30/11 04:07 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: kronikpuff]
    #15002650 - 08/30/11 04:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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i love how sexysmurf said "thats not gonna work" haha





lol, i still say it.  but  :goodluck:


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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: kronikpuff]
    #15002676 - 08/30/11 04:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Don't get too excited yet, it's rhizo but its just hard to see.



And i have many jars so im not having a contam operation thankyou very much

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: marijuana dan]
    #15002706 - 08/30/11 04:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

haha yea that looks good:thumbup:


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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: marijuana dan]
    #15002711 - 08/30/11 04:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

All i have been trying to say is that contaminants are not as hard to get away from as everybody says, and that you will be able to have sucess without a pressure cooker. I have done it in the past and want to show people how they can do it. Of course a pressure cooker will call for a more thorough sterilization, but if you want to try other tek's than you might consider trying this out

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: marijuana dan]
    #15003113 - 08/30/11 06:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

yea man your not telling anyone anything they don't know already, although your method of "sterilizing" substrate and then putting it in jars is pretty different than any other method (steaming or microwaving in jars/containers)

it really doesn't make sense to me to sterilize your substrate outside of jars, this sounds like "pasteurizing" not sterilizing. not saying your method doesn't work, just saying its not actually sterilizing.


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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: SurReality]
    #15003272 - 08/30/11 06:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah i guess your right, to be honest your better off just spending the money and getting a pressure cooker. Although my method may seem easier, its all about the same amount of work.. That is my final conclusion

Sorry to the guys i tried to burn for putting in thier own 2cents, its all fun and games afterall right!

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: marijuana dan]
    #15003372 - 08/30/11 06:57 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

if you say so... i have a microwave and a pot to steam cook that works perfectly fine:shrug: i don't need a PC and i don't think i'll be any better off getting on, but i feel better about sterilizing without a PC than i do pasteurizing substrate. i'm not saying it doesn't work when you clearly are showing us that it does.


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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: SurReality]
    #15011472 - 09/01/11 11:20 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

For all the people who want to know how to sterilize without a pressure cooker, you should try this!

1.get a piece of screen from your dads garage.



2. Fold it and force it to stay put inside your pot.



3.Fill the bottom of the pot with water

4.Place jars on screen

5.Put the pot lid back on

6.Steam sterilize baby!

Much easier than using tinfoil or jar lids IMO

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: marijuana dan]
    #15011523 - 09/01/11 11:32 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i'm confused.  your first post where i responded "that's not gonna work" involved you merely baking the ingredients at 400 for 15 to 20 minutes.

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ok i am going to do an experiment that i hope works.

-1 cup fine verm spread out on a sheet of tin foil and put in oven at  400F

-Half cup brown rice (manually grounded to flour) spread out on a sheet of tin foil and put in the oven alongside the verm both at 400F for about 15-20 minutes.

-Half cup unopened poland spring water bottle

-4CC Spore syringe Solution

-Mix everything together very well in a large sterile bowl

-fill up jars, top off with verm, pretend pressure cookers never existed.





i don't think anyone claimed that steam sterilization doesn't work.  brf is suitable for steam sterilization to the low density of the substrate.  good practice indicating 90 minutes, but even grain can be steam sterilized per RR at 8 hrs.


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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: SexySmurff]
    #15011547 - 09/01/11 11:37 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

yeah your definately confused,read my posts.

If you followed this whole thread you would understand that i started off with an experiment.. The experiment worked but not as well as i hoped considering two of my six jars had gone contaminated. I then posted the conclusion of my experiment saying that you are better off using steam sterilization. Also, If you look at the title of this thread it is called "Growing mushrooms without a pressure cooker"... so i posted pictures of how I steam sterilize without the use of a pressure cooker. Why your confused.. i don't know

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: marijuana dan]
    #15011609 - 09/01/11 11:51 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

eh, i don't care anymore.


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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: SexySmurff]
    #15011725 - 09/01/11 12:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Sorry smurf i know you think its all about you but i just wanted to show the hundreds of people (that do care) a great way to steam sterilize their jars. With pictures included!

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: marijuana dan]
    #15011754 - 09/01/11 12:19 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

yea because its like steam sterilizing actually wasn't common method for years and its all about smurf:rolleyes:

old news is so exciting, did you come up with steam sterilizing all by yourself?:eek:


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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: SurReality]
    #15011782 - 09/01/11 12:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Nobody on this website has posted picture instructions on how to steam sterilize, i think i broke the ice by providing pictures for the begginers out there and the ones who are new to this community.

How is the microwave going for you?

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: marijuana dan]
    #15011813 - 09/01/11 12:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

if it didn't work for me i wouldn't suggest it. so as i said earlier "like a charm":thumbup:


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    #15011825 - 09/01/11 12:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

lol, this guy isn't even making sense.  first he talks about baking his substrate and scooping it into jars in the open air.  then he's posting pics of a pot to do steam sterilization.  i still haven't figured out what his "tek" is. :crazy2:


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    #15011842 - 09/01/11 12:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

lol yea i think its obvious who is actually confused here.


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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: SurReality]
    #15012058 - 09/01/11 01:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

This year and a half old thread has been stating the obvious from it's very inception with its presumptuous title: "growing mushrooms without a pressure cooker".

Steam sterilizing  was common knowledge among mycologists even before Professor Fanaticus made it infamous with his PF Tek.

Marijuana dan if you wanted to make it easier for others to find the results of your experiments, start a new thread and title it "how to grow mushrooms in your parents' house with minimal supplies and effort", and I bet you're right, you'll have hundreds of people interested in your thread and up to 50 pages in no time. :tard:


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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: Chez man]
    #15012209 - 09/01/11 01:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Im just posting pictures to give others an idea of what they can do, and i bet you a million bucks there will be at least one other person who will find my pictures useful, and that alone makes it worth it for me. Looking around this site I didn't find any pictures of how to elevate your jars off the bottom. Just pages and pages of how to in text, Why not post one? It is easy and takes two seconds.. I started off formal only talking about subject matter, and it didnt get personal until all you guys started throwing jabs my way.. And just because steam sterilization has been around for a long time, why does that prohibit me from showing others how i did it? You think i havent before met strangers on the internet that would like to fight for no reason?? Think again

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: marijuana dan]
    #15012261 - 09/01/11 02:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Looking around this site I didn't find any pictures of how to elevate your jars off the bottom.




you must have missed these videos.
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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: k00laid]
    #15012296 - 09/01/11 02:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I want more! hahahaha. I was sad when I read the last post, because this thread has been extremely entertaining. Keep it coming guys!! hahaha.


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    #15012324 - 09/01/11 02:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Looking around this site I didn't find any pictures of how to elevate your jars off the bottom.




you must have missed these videos.
http://www.mushroomvideos.com/BRF-Pf-Tek





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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: The Influence]
    #15012352 - 09/01/11 02:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

how could he? he said he paid sixty bucks.


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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: SexySmurff]
    #15012390 - 09/01/11 02:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Did i say videos?? And yes i own the whole dvd set if that helps you sleep any better

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: marijuana dan]
    #15012425 - 09/01/11 02:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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You think i havent before met strangers on the internet that would like to fight for no reason?? Think again



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pictures and videos are not the same..


:mmmkay:

I think it's cool that your experimenting man, but you are being kind of knit picky no? Those videos are great guides, and if someone cannot understand how to raise jars off of the bottom of a pot, then the got bigger problems :tard:. I for one just steam sterilized, and because I lacked extra jar lids, looked around the house and found that three 2 1/2 lb weight plates, with a single layer of wash clothes, and a layer of foil. worked just fine. Other people have found other ways. And if you really want to help people, start your own thread now and Title it something like " steam sterilization tek ". People will be able to find it and know exactly what it is.

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: The Influence]
    #15012683 - 09/01/11 03:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I'm pumped for this TEK. Take metal screen put on bottom of pot(picture included)put jars on screen. Put lid on pot and put it on the stove, turn stove on and let water come to a slow boil, leave boil for 90 minutes. Let jars cool, take them out. hahahaha, I fucking love this thread.


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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: FuckMeRunnin]
    #15013039 - 09/01/11 04:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I Know it is the most common method.. but when i was reading up on how to do it, i rememeber thinking to myself damn i wish somebody would include pictures so i did it, is that such a crime? Im not claiming this tek to be my own... i never said that, im simply posting pics on how I did it/how simple it is. I know you guys are all mushroom pros that use your own lingo and use your own terms/ abbreviations, but believe it or not.. it actually is confusing for alot of people out there who want to start their own grow.

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: marijuana dan]
    #15013210 - 09/01/11 05:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I Know it is the most common method.. but when i was reading up on how to do it, i rememeber thinking to myself damn i wish somebody would include pictures so i did it, is that such a crime? Im not claiming this tek to be my own... i never said that, im simply posting pics on how I did it/how simple it is. I know you guys are all mushroom pros that use your own lingo and use your own terms/ abbreviations, but believe it or not.. it actually is confusing for alot of people out there who want to start their own grow.




Never claimed to be a pro, I thought it was cool that you were trying different unconventional methods. Just trying to say it would be wise to make your own thread now that your not asking questions and put a pictorial up there if you want. But you got all self righteous and butthurt. If shit is confusing then they should do some research. There is  a glossary for all that oh so difficult lingo, the Let's Grow Mushroom videos lay it out pretty clear and simple. There is also plenty of other information people can research to clarify things. It just takes a little effort.

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    #15013341 - 09/01/11 05:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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i rememeber thinking to myself damn i wish somebody would include pictures so i did it




http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11585613#11585613

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    #15013363 - 09/01/11 05:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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i rememeber thinking to myself damn i wish somebody would include pictures so i did it




http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11585613#11585613

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    #15013396 - 09/01/11 06:04 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: SurReality]
    #15013741 - 09/01/11 07:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Fine im guilty for not opening a new thread, and i admit didn't see that thread but whats wrong with more pictures? the more the merrier is how i see it. And thanks for doing all that research on my behalf koolaid!

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: marijuana dan]
    #15052122 - 09/09/11 07:58 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I recently threw away a few jars that i thought were cobweb mold. I thought that i was stupid for harboring a contaminant for so long.. but it turns out from old pictures i've taken. It was mycelium afterall.

One of the jars i posted in this thread everybody told me looked like cobweb mold and i thought they knew better than i did so to make a long story short.. you guys made me throw away fully colonized jars!

I have a cake growing very potent psilocybe mushrooms right now so i said to myself "let me go back and locate the pictures of the jar i used to colonize this" So i went into my photo album and this is the jar that is producing mushrooms right now. And YES they are brazilian psilocybe cubensis mushrooms.

To make a long story short, sometimes mycelium can be decieving. Although some may identify this as cobweb mold, i can assure you that it is not.







I would make a new thread called "cobweb mold look alike" but i have no idea how.

One last thing. Why the F do so many users delete their own pictures?

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: marijuana dan]
    #15052846 - 09/09/11 12:04 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I dont know if your new thread should be placed in the contam thread or mush cultivation. But to make a new post, go to the forum index, find one of those two sections and click on one. Once in that thread/forum look near the top of the page and there will be icon that says post (next to ones that say previous, next etc.) click post and there ya go.

Oh and this is only speculation but maybe some users don't want their pictures that contain mushrooms of questionable legality left to long for prying eyes. By prying eyes I mean check the "who's online" Box and look at how many guests and webcrawlers are lurking these forums all the time. If you were to go to google you could type in psilocybe cubensis grow and threads from here will appear. Also some people delete them because there is a limit on your download capacity and if they want to upload more pictures some old ones got to go.

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: The Influence]
    #15057211 - 09/10/11 09:23 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Awesome man thanks for the help

I remmeber someone joking about the fact that im growing in my dads house, i just want to throw it out there that this is a mutal operation between me and my father(i do the growing he does the ingesting). I just wanted to say this because i remember RR banning a youngster for trying to grow mushies without his parents consent.

Im not expecting a response for this question but i have been sitting here for an hour and a half contemplating if i should go return this 20 dollar pressure cooker i got for a $64.58 Large Presto cooker instead. I only make up like six jars at a time so i was wondering if this small one is ideal, or should i just grab the one i know is going to work.


Littleoldladygotmutilatedlatelastnight


I stole the second picture from someone else who has the exact same one.

You guys are the best

Oh yeah one last question, what is that little "share" checkbox on this website next to the place where you upload a picture. Do i check it? Whats it mean

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: marijuana dan]
    #15057305 - 09/10/11 09:56 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

.....what happened to the little old lady? And your PC will work fine.

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    #15057317 - 09/10/11 09:58 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

werewolves ate her..But you think its good? they dont say anything about PSI in the instructions. Im just scared it doesnt come anywhere close to 15 psi. Its pretty damn heavy however

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    #15057334 - 09/10/11 10:06 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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werewolves ate her..But you think its good? they dont say anything about PSI in the instructions. Im just scared it doesnt come anywhere close to 15 psi. Its pretty damn heavy however




Be careful with your PC. They are ticking time bombs if operated incorrectly. You should have a weight on the top that reads 15psi, you turn it on high and wait till the weight starts to jiggle. Once this happens, turn the heat down till the weight only jiggles every 15-25 seconds. When me and my friend tried growing in high school at his parents we didn't know this and turned the heat the whole way up and let the thing go nuts for over an hour without turning the heat down. We were young and dumb and could have killed ourselves or his parents. It still scares me to think about it, and to think that a lot of people who didn't get a PC new and read the instructions first may make the same mistake. Be very careful.


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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: FuckMeRunnin]
    #15057499 - 09/10/11 10:56 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i looked at the weight and it says nothing ingrained in it about PSI, literally there is not even the three letters PSI contained anywhere on the box, in the instructions, or even on the PC itself.

Are you sure about the 15-25 second thing because the instructions say to turn the flame down until you have a consistent gentle rocking motion.

Im doing this now and its rocking steadily, the flame is very low but it is still squealing.

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: marijuana dan]
    #15058041 - 09/10/11 01:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Does anybody know what would happen if i ate 1.5grams dried of b+ mushrooms and 1 gram of cambodian mushrooms?

I've smoked different kinds of herbs's together at once, but im not sure if the same applies for mushrooms.

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: marijuana dan]
    #15058101 - 09/10/11 01:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

those are mushrooms of the same species.


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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: k00laid]
    #15058139 - 09/10/11 01:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:whathesaid: a cube is a cube, is the commmon consensus round here. About that share box, if you hit that or go into your pictures and click the little box by all your pictures, then hit the share button it puts your pictures into a gallery so other users can see them. If you dont we can only view them when you put them in a thread. Hope that made sense.

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: The Influence]
    #15058366 - 09/10/11 02:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

just found this thread, never laughed so god dam hard.
just wanted to say thank you to every1 who has made the last 15mins of my life very funny indeed.
totally useless information tho. lol stick to all the RR videos. cant go wrong.

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: shroomhead101]
    #15058395 - 09/10/11 02:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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just found this thread, never laughed so god dam hard.
just wanted to say thank you to every1 who has made the last 15mins of my life very funny indeed.
totally useless information tho. lol stick to all the RR videos. cant go wrong.



I agree I wont be trying any of his methods anytime soon, but there is nothing wrong with thinking outside of the box and trying new things. Even if he fails at least he tryed. If people never tryed new things people would still be using PF's orginal tek. But that's not the case and now it has been shown that there are more effcient ways to do some things. Again Im not saying that his methods are  going to work or that even if they did they would be better than RR's methods. Just saying that he'll never know for sure unless he trys.

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: marijuana dan]
    #15058497 - 09/10/11 03:12 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Does anybody know what would happen if i ate 1.5grams dried of b+ mushrooms and 1 gram of cambodian mushrooms?

I've smoked different kinds of herbs's together at once, but im not sure if the same applies for mushrooms.






Honestly i doubt it would be bad.  But ya id say you pc is good, mine doesnt have a gauge on it either so what i did was got the weight rocking hard first then lowered to a medium rocking and pressure cooked for 60 minutes. Its working well so far, im a day away from shaking my jars.

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: The Influence]
    #15058769 - 09/10/11 04:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Thankyou my good man, one more thing about my PC, it has a hole on the handle called safety lock and its supposed to lock when the pressure is at its ideal point. It says the safety lock should be in the up position when it locks after heating up, but its just a goddam hole. there is no up or down. There is a point where the steam and loud shaking/sqealing noises come to an abrubt stop. Is that the lock? I would expect the holl to fill in with a plastic lock or something.

Am i suppose to let it go buck-wild in the beggining? Im literally too scared to let it get to that point, and there is no damn lock going up.

and with a pressure cooker, is the point of elevating the jars to keep them from touching the hot metal bottom? or to keep them out of the water.. or both? It didnt come with an elevating tray and i dont want to put my steel screen in it because it will scratch it voiding my warranty in case the safety lock is broken. I put a mesh screen at the bottom and than a layer of tinfoil, but some water leaked on top of the tinfoil so technically the jars would be touching water, is that cool?

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: marijuana dan]
    #15058872 - 09/10/11 04:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

What i did was pt two rags at the bottom of my pressurecooker. Didnt scratch a thing :p.    As far as directions for your pressure cooker have you seen this


http://www.shroomery.org/5245/Correct-pressure-cooker-use


Might be a tad bit of help. Im just learning this hobby but ill help where i can

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: kronikpuff]
    #15059003 - 09/10/11 05:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Wow that is exactly what i was looking for, thanks bro

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: marijuana dan]
    #15059123 - 09/10/11 05:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Wow that is exactly what i was looking for, thanks bro





Glad to help! I did little to no research before i started my first few brf cakes. Which caused an 8 gram flush from 5 cakes >.< after that i read everything i could. Ive got 5 half pint jars of b+ and 6 quart jars of texas

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: kronikpuff]
    #15059278 - 09/10/11 06:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Thread's too long; didn't read

A small PC is $35 at Walmart, get one ffs.

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: scifipirate]
    #15059615 - 09/10/11 07:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Thread's too long; didn't read

A small PC is $35 at Walmart, get one ffs.






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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: kronikpuff]
    #15060091 - 09/10/11 09:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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scifipirate said:
Thread's too long; didn't read

A small PC is $35 at Walmart, get one ffs.






Useless post.





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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: scifipirate]
    #15060376 - 09/10/11 10:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

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Quote:

kronikpuff said:
Quote:

scifipirate said:
Thread's too long; didn't read

A small PC is $35 at Walmart, get one ffs.






Useless post.





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You didnt even bother to read through any part of this thread and you come in saying go buy a 35 dollar pc. If you bothered to read any of it, he owns a pressure cooker. Its about how to grow them NOT using a pressure cooker.

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: kronikpuff]
    #15060956 - 09/11/11 01:20 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Pirate your like the guy that hears everyone yelling and jumps in to start yelling along even though you don't know what anyone is yelling about.

This post is about anything, everything,and your uncle. So if you can't handle it go take a hike

P.S. Nice mushroom in that picture, too bad it did not provide for you any wisdom

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: marijuana dan]
    #15061437 - 09/11/11 07:12 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

marijuana dan your like a chiwawa dog that doesn't shut the fuck up and doesn't realize is annoying as shit.


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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: SurReality]
    #15061642 - 09/11/11 08:37 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Bro Tip: I read the first page, my post was aimed at OP, and if you think I'm gonna read all 7 pages of a thread titled "growing mushrooms without pressure cooker" your nucking futs. You green horns can get off my nuts now, and go grow some triche.


To the others: sorry I won't bump this thread again.

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: scifipirate]
    #15061663 - 09/11/11 08:47 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Mod edit:
I'm getting tired of editing out flaming posts made
by angry noobs in Mushroom Cultivation. This gotta stop now.
Read the rules.

Edit: I reduced this to a Warning since this is your first offense,
but suggest you to get a hold of yourself.

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: marijuana dan]
    #15061686 - 09/11/11 08:57 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Is there anything i can put in my jars to spruce them up a little bit? I was in agway looking for something to put in my jar besides brown rice and vermenstein's..the guy asked me what i was using it for and i locked up like a deer in headlights haha. Luckily i was able to use RAW wisdom and come up with "im trying to save some money on jiffy mix by making my own concauction"

I read something not long ago on here about a small spoonful of gypsum? any idea on that?

I just want to give my celium a little bit more to munch on.

The store did not carry any worm castings or bee pollen, the least i can do is add mineral water instead of distilled this time around. I like to experiment :p

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: marijuana dan]
    #15061723 - 09/11/11 09:14 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Mod edit: I unbanned you, and you just got a Warning.
I however permabanned your puppet.
Do not make another puppet to circumvent ban,
in that case I'll ban both accounts.


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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: Darijuana_Man]
    #15061835 - 09/11/11 09:42 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: marijuana dan]
    #15062301 - 09/11/11 11:50 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Is there anything i can put in my jars to spruce them up a little bit? I was in agway looking for something to put in my jar besides brown rice and vermenstein's..the guy asked me what i was using it for and i locked up like a deer in headlights haha. Luckily i was able to use RAW wisdom and come up with "im trying to save some money on jiffy mix by making my own concauction"

I read something not long ago on here about a small spoonful of gypsum? any idea on that?

I just want to give my celium a little bit more to munch on.

The store did not carry any worm castings or bee pollen, the least i can do is add mineral water instead of distilled this time around. I like to experiment :p





As far as i know, gypsum is put into WBS or grain spawns so that when you shake the jar the grains dont stick together. I couldnt tell you if they could be used in BRF cakes.

On another note, anytime im confused by something on shroomery, be it a term, a tek, or just a word i dont understand, easiest thing to do to help yourself is go to the google bar, type in what you want to know and put shroomery after it.


Brf tek shroomery
Gypsum shroomery


It takes 20 seconds and will probably keep you from gettin barked at by the big dogs here.

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: kronikpuff]
    #15066850 - 09/12/11 09:24 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I did not intend for anyone to take this stuff seriously and ban me for it, come on you can't fix/clean up the internet one person at a time. Yeah im a fungus noob and i like to joke around, but if you get butthurt by something i say on a shroom forum than you have bigger probs

And the thing i got banned for saying the second time directed at surreality was too funny for humans to even begin to decipher, so i could understand why you blocked that one

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: marijuana dan]
    #15066860 - 09/12/11 09:27 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks kronic you da man

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: marijuana dan]
    #15067434 - 09/12/11 11:49 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I try. Lol, while surfing the web this morning trying to find the answer to my question before i ask it on the AMU thread i found


http://preterhuman.net/texts/drugs/shroomery_grow_archive_2003_10_14/shroomery_grow/www.shroomery.org/glossary.php.htm#G


Possibly old, but still had alot of usefull info for me.

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: marijuana dan]
    #15067589 - 09/12/11 12:31 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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The store did not carry any worm castings or bee pollen, the least i can do is add mineral water instead of distilled this time around. I like to experiment :p




pond water > tap water > mineral water > distilled water


and BRF/verm/gypsum is the most nutritious substrate you'll ever get.

or need.


the substrate composition isnt what is making the results not what you want them to be


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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: k00laid]
    #15067636 - 09/12/11 12:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

When I first read the pressure cook is a must, I figured I not say anything, but you simply need to bring the medium in question to given temp to kill spores and/or source of contam in medium, sterilization is not distinct to pressure. Before I am flamed, let me then say pressure is the most effective way of penetrating heat into, and agitating the medium at a molecular, and micro level.

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: Jekkler]
    #15067705 - 09/12/11 12:54 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

dry heat sucks dick


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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: k00laid]
    #15069948 - 09/12/11 08:06 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I got a denmark brand pressure cooker(6qt). it feels heavy and all but its not a known name brand, and it doesnt say anything about psi anywhere, its like they were scared to mention it. It has that heavy duty rubber/hard plastic handle that locks in place. It actually overlaps like half a centimeter when its in locked position, stupid i know.

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: marijuana dan]
    #15069985 - 09/12/11 08:12 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

so kool you think i should throw a few spoonfulls of gyps in the brf/verm/water mixture?

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: marijuana dan]
    #15070050 - 09/12/11 08:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

One spoonful should do ya fine. :wink:


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    #15070095 - 09/12/11 08:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

tea or table?

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: marijuana dan]
    #15070118 - 09/12/11 08:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Tablespoon, but i figured it was only added to WBS not BRF

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: kronikpuff]
    #15071829 - 09/13/11 08:00 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

ok maybe i will try wbs, should i just say screw it and go get the bigger $70 pressure cooker? or can i use mine that idk what psi it goes up to


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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: Jekkler]
    #15071939 - 09/13/11 08:40 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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When I first read the pressure cook is a must, I figured I not say anything, but you simply need to bring the medium in question to given temp to kill spores and/or source of contam in medium, sterilization is not distinct to pressure. Before I am flamed, let me then say pressure is the most effective way of penetrating heat into, and agitating the medium at a molecular, and micro level.




Do you like, walk around you house thinking "Golly gee I sure hope friction doesn't stop existing because not only will I not have enough grip to propel myself forward to walk, I will cease to be able stand thus letting gravity take it's effect on my mass having body and potentially giving me a concussion due to the fact that i will fall in a bit of a Fibonacci sequence whipping action relative to velocity with my head being the greatest number in the sequence."

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How is this an 8 page discussion by the way??? I read page 1 and 8 and was surprised to see that the topic hadn't progressed at all and maybe even went backwards in terms of skill. I also didn't check dates either from OP to now but damn! Use the search! It is your friend. Sorry for the troll but damn people

And to answer dude above me. Don't waste your money, just use what you have and on the floaty thing that rattles when you have your PC heated there should be numbers next to each hole. put the one that says 15 down onto the steam outlet. reduce heat if it rattles more than 3 or 4 time a minute


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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: Beelzebozo]
    #15072008 - 09/13/11 09:07 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

lol lay off the syrup man, my pressure cooker doesnt say psi in the places you have described. But thanks for your pennies

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: marijuana dan]
    #15072115 - 09/13/11 09:37 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

gypsum can be added to brf cakes
1 tablespoon per 5 jars


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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: k00laid]
    #15072217 - 09/13/11 10:12 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

damn i literally just made six jars and i didnt add it. They are already in the pressure cooker.

Being a noob, i always use 1 or 2 jars out of my batch to experiment with. This time after filling four jars with the usual mixture, i put two aside for a slightly modified mixture. It is the same mixture but instead of using a cup of regular bottled water, i added one packet of sugar in the raw and stirred it until it was completely dissolved. This could but a completey noob-ass idea but i havent read anything about it on this website so why not give it a try eh?

I will take pictures and we will see what jars win!

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: marijuana dan]
    #15072493 - 09/13/11 11:19 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

BRF doesnt need any sugar supplementation, it has plenty.

what it needs is calcium and sulfur (gypsum)

but it wont hurt any, it might help.
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    #15072514 - 09/13/11 11:23 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Alright cool that makes me feel better, thanks!

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: k00laid]
    #15072698 - 09/13/11 12:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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and BRF works without gypsum just fine







Gypsum Calcium sulfate, CaSO4. A greyish powder used in spawn making. It prevents the clumping of the grain kernels and acts as a pH-buffer.


It seems if using gypsum in BRF cakes that the cake wouldnt be so cake like....until this thread when koolaid mentioned putting gypsum in BRF cakes i hadnt read that anywhere. Im sure it wouldnt ruin the cakes, but to me it seems like putting it in the BRF would just be wastefull.

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: kronikpuff]
    #15072730 - 09/13/11 12:19 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Turns out i have to return this piece of shit FUCKING pressure cooker,  i smelled burning food and i opened up the pc to see the tinfoil was black. By the grace of god my jars didn't crack so i just caught it in time.

A little rubber nut type thing that hangs inside the PC very loosely is supposed to get pushed upward and lock when the pressure is just right, it is not doing this because it is a piece of fucking shit.

Don't buy a name brand that doesnt turn up any search results when you type it into google, and you should be set.

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: marijuana dan]
    #15072764 - 09/13/11 12:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Did you rest the jars in the pc alone? Or did you use a rack?



I put 2 towels on the bottom of my PC before i put the jars in there.

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: kronikpuff]
    #15072796 - 09/13/11 12:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

what happened is the lock ceased to function and the steam continued to boil the pot dry

They are elevated on a rack well above the water

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: marijuana dan]
    #15072827 - 09/13/11 12:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Oh damn, id say if your going to buy another PC go with a Presto brand (i think thats what its called) alot of them have the gauges, im not sure if their more expensive tho. Mine doesnt have the gauge and so far my jars are colonizing just dandy.

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: marijuana dan]
    #15072860 - 09/13/11 12:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i can manually push the pin so it locks in place, but then i will be skipping this step

"the safety lock will move up and down, releasing dry air and a little steam, once the cooker has reached is operating pressure and temperature, the safety lock will seal and remain in the up position until the pressure is released"

The first time i operated the pressure cooker was the only time the weight on the top gradually rocked back and fourth, so i assumed it was working. The only reason it worked was because the lock was stuck in the locked position. So i unstuck it so it could go up and down again.

Should i just lock it up again and pressure cook?

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: marijuana dan]
    #15072918 - 09/13/11 12:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The lock takes a little bit to get locked into place. I thought i was doing things wrong at first too, it took 15 or 20 minutes or so to lock it into place. Ill be sterilizing more of my jars tonight.

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: kronikpuff]
    #15073428 - 09/13/11 02:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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and BRF works without gypsum just fine







Gypsum Calcium sulfate, CaSO4. A greyish powder used in spawn making. It prevents the clumping of the grain kernels and acts as a pH-buffer.


It seems if using gypsum in BRF cakes that the cake wouldnt be so cake like....until this thread when koolaid mentioned putting gypsum in BRF cakes i hadnt read that anywhere. Im sure it wouldnt ruin the cakes, but to me it seems like putting it in the BRF would just be wastefull.



Shea is among many users that swears by gypsum in their BRF cakes, read his tek here:http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11585613#11585613. Dont take it the wrong way man, but if you haven't read it any where else you need to do some more reading. Like I said please dont take that the wrong way, just trying to spread some knowledge.

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    #15073492 - 09/13/11 02:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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but if you haven't read it any where else you need to do some more reading.




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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: The Influence]
    #15073508 - 09/13/11 02:56 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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and BRF works without gypsum just fine







Gypsum Calcium sulfate, CaSO4. A greyish powder used in spawn making. It prevents the clumping of the grain kernels and acts as a pH-buffer.


It seems if using gypsum in BRF cakes that the cake wouldnt be so cake like....until this thread when koolaid mentioned putting gypsum in BRF cakes i hadnt read that anywhere. Im sure it wouldnt ruin the cakes, but to me it seems like putting it in the BRF would just be wastefull.



Shea is among many users that swears by gypsum in their BRF cakes, read his tek here:http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11585613#11585613. Dont take it the wrong way man, but if you haven't read it any where else you need to do some more reading. Like I said please dont take that the wrong way, just trying to spread some knowledge.






Please dont take it the wrong way.....is like saying no offence but.....its going to be taken the wrong way....and it will offend the person.  Just spreading some knowledge :smile:



Anyways, im a noob grower and therefore havent ever heard of shae or others swearing by gypsum. Maybe its cuz i did one brf tek, and stuck to that one, found my yeild wasnt that high and moved to WBS tek. 


Share some knowledge influence and tell me what gypum would do to benefit a BRF cake?

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: kronikpuff]
    #15073605 - 09/13/11 03:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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and BRF works without gypsum just fine







Gypsum Calcium sulfate, CaSO4. A greyish powder used in spawn making. It prevents the clumping of the grain kernels and acts as a pH-buffer.


It seems if using gypsum in BRF cakes that the cake wouldnt be so cake like....until this thread when koolaid mentioned putting gypsum in BRF cakes i hadnt read that anywhere. Im sure it wouldnt ruin the cakes, but to me it seems like putting it in the BRF would just be wastefull.



Shea is among many users that swears by gypsum in their BRF cakes, read his tek here:http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11585613#11585613. Dont take it the wrong way man, but if you haven't read it any where else you need to do some more reading. Like I said please dont take that the wrong way, just trying to spread some knowledge.






Please dont take it the wrong way.....is like saying no offence but.....its going to be taken the wrong way....and it will offend the person.  Just spreading some knowledge :smile:



Anyways, im a noob grower and therefore havent ever heard of shae or others swearing by gypsum. Maybe its cuz i did one brf tek, and stuck to that one, found my yeild wasnt that high and moved to WBS tek. 


Share some knowledge influence and tell me what gypum would do to benefit a BRF cake?



I think koolaid already answered that question for you. But dude if I meant to be a prick I would have. I said don't take it the wrong way because I didn't want you to take offense, but to learn something. But whatever guy you seem like the man with the plan, so keep telling people that gypsum is for grains only because of your failed one and only attempt with it in brf cakes.

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: The Influence]
    #15073633 - 09/13/11 03:19 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

gypsum is for calcium and sulfur


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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: k00laid]
    #15074223 - 09/13/11 05:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Neither koolaid or you Influence have said what putting gypsum into your brf cakes helps it,



what does sulfur or calcium add to the brf cakes?   

Nutrients?


And what i said was


It SEEMS like gypsum would be a waste


because the shroomery glossary says, it is to stop grains from clumping together.


If you want to share knowledge and not sound like a prick then how about you answer my only question before you rag on my first attempt at a grow.


I am a man with a plan, i follow all the teks to a T. And even put gypsum in my WBS jars. Despite not understanding wtf it does. Other then what i listed. I read through 3 or 4 teks/growlogs and the ones i read didnt say a thing about adding gypsum into the brf mixture.

And i NEVER once said gypsum was only for grains, i said it SEEMS like it wouldnt be a good mixture with the cakes because they wouldnt stick together as much.


Anyways thanks for all the Helpfull criticism

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: kronikpuff]
    #15074390 - 09/13/11 06:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Kronikpuff- Adding gypsum to brf cakes aids as a ph buffer, also adding helpful minerals, vital for mushroom fruiting. Cited here:http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14712266#14712266

That was one of the first threads that popped up when I typed "adding gypsum to brf cakes" into the search engine. There are many other threads on the subject, also typing that into google or yahoo will bring you even more results. Like I said before you just need to read a little more into something before dismissing it, you want to get all butthurt cause you only read a whopping 3-4 teks to base your assumptions on whatever. Good luck with your endeavors man, if I hurt your feelings there is always the ignore button. I was just trying to help marijuanadan by re-assuring him that it is beneficial to brf cakes to add the gypsum after you said it "seems wasteful", also to teach you something as you were refuting what koolaid said and he was right. I honestly didn't mean to be condescending or insult your intelligence, but whatever guy. Like I said goodluck.

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: kronikpuff]
    #15074395 - 09/13/11 06:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I've never said gypsum is 'only' to coat the outside of the grains.  Don't assume that minerals have only one purpose.  In addition, I've typed dozens of times to NOT rinse the grains after the soak.

If there's things you don't understand, simply ask, but we can do without the attitude.

Gypsum can provide up to a 25% increase in harvest weight over not using it in bulk substrates.
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As for grains, I doubt any of the gypsum soaks into the interior of the grain.  Most is captured in the porous surface of the grains where it helps prevent clumping, as well as to supply calcium and sulfur to the mycelium, both of which are essential minerals used in fruit formation.  Some of it gets poured off when you drain the water of course, but using the amounts suggested leaves enough in place to work very well.
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You should take RR's advice about losing the attitude as well, no need to attack k00laid, he was just helping. :facepalm:

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: Chez man]
    #15076624 - 09/14/11 05:20 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Its good to see other people arguing for a change but lets be realistic here, we are just a couple of typing avatars on a computer monitor.. I see people defending their opinions like they are defending their home from flaming arrows hahah, ease up guys!

Check this shit

I got a 5lb bag of brown rice on sale for $2.99!



I could not believe my eyes when i saw this price, this size should cost $7.99 at least. I had to doublecheck the price because i was certain that it was wrong.. The store i got it at is waldbaums, right next to this were small 16oz bags of the exact same stuff for $1.49! So if you have a waldbaums in your area, keep an eye out for this stuff going on sale!

What i like about the carolina brand is that the ingredients are just "Whole grain brown rice" and nothing else. Other brands, even the ones that say natural on it, contain other weird ingredients or will say something like "parboiled brown rice".

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: marijuana dan]
    #15076727 - 09/14/11 06:33 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

It is not organic but when your jar looks like this 7 days after inoculation you know something went right!


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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: Chez man]
    #15077358 - 09/14/11 09:51 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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You should take RR's advice about losing the attitude as well, no need to attack k00laid, he was just helping. :facepalm:






None of what i said was directed at k00laid. :facepalm:



As i never did a search on


Adding gypsum to brf cakes because i never really heard of people adding it to that. What i did search was


Gypsum shroomery

And got that it was to keep kernal grains from clumping.


Theres 18376589762387624 things out there to learn about mycology, and ive only just started this hobby a few months back.

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    #15077543 - 09/14/11 10:54 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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what does sulfur or calcium add to the brf cakes?   

Nutrients?




sulfur and calcium are minerals.

and are used in the same way that you use calcium, except you know.... no bones.


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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: k00laid]
    #15077820 - 09/14/11 11:56 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Just want to say somethin awesome that happened

A few days ago i ordered two syringes from spores101, one was P.E.S.A. and the other wa Ban Hua Thai. This is after i had two sucessfull grows with Brazilian, and B+ syringes. Anyways i used the pesa, it worked great, i used the bht and it worked great. I had two jars go bad of the BHT so i got mad and being the little prick that i am i decided to mention it to spores101 that i loved the pesa, but had a few contams with BHT. I x'd out of the webpage and forgot about it

Just a few minutes ago i heard a truck pull outside my house and surely enough it was a UPS truck, they sent me a new BHT syringe based on my word alone. Impressive

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    #15077851 - 09/14/11 12:00 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

sounds cool man.


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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: marijuana dan]
    #15077901 - 09/14/11 12:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Turns out i have to return this piece of shit FUCKING pressure cooker,  i smelled burning food and i opened up the pc to see the tinfoil was black. By the grace of god my jars didn't crack so i just caught it in time.

A little rubber nut type thing that hangs inside the PC very loosely is supposed to get pushed upward and lock when the pressure is just right, it is not doing this because it is a piece of fucking shit.

Don't buy a name brand that doesnt turn up any search results when you type it into google, and you should be set.




I got a cheapo Mirro 23 qt, and just grabbed a 2nd. It's off brand or whatever..but it's solid man. I'd rather have 2 of these then one small AA personally. I have zero issues..though I've only owned for 3 months. Don't know how they will be in 2 years..but I don't foresee any issues aside from having to replace a gasket eventually.


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i can manually push the pin so it locks in place, but then i will be skipping this step

"the safety lock will move up and down, releasing dry air and a little steam, once the cooker has reached is operating pressure and temperature, the safety lock will seal and remain in the up position until the pressure is released"

The first time i operated the pressure cooker was the only time the weight on the top gradually rocked back and fourth, so i assumed it was working. The only reason it worked was because the lock was stuck in the locked position. So i unstuck it so it could go up and down again.

Should i just lock it up again and pressure cook?





Can I ask what your heatsource is? You should not have to manually push the lock.. the steam pressure building should trigger it eventually. This takes some time (dependin on heat source..it could be 30 minuts to trigger it and 60 minutes to get up to 15psi.. or much quicker if you have a better heat source, my point is, if you are using a shitty hot plate, that could be a prob).

I can't see why ANYTHING would turn black though.. did you have enough water in there? Did it boil dry or osmething? If there was no pressure created temp shouldnt reach past boiling...

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Its good to see other people arguing for a change but lets be realistic here, we are just a couple of typing avatars on a computer monitor.. I see people defending their opinions like they are defending their home from flaming arrows hahah, ease up guys!

Check this shit

I got a 5lb bag of brown rice on sale for $2.99!



I could not believe my eyes when i saw this price, this size should cost $7.99 at least. I had to doublecheck the price because i was certain that it was wrong.. The store i got it at is waldbaums, right next to this were small 16oz bags of the exact same stuff for $1.49! So if you have a waldbaums in your area, keep an eye out for this stuff going on sale!

What i like about the carolina brand is that the ingredients are just "Whole grain brown rice" and nothing else. Other brands, even the ones that say natural on it, contain other weird ingredients or will say something like "parboiled brown rice".




Thats the exact one I buy!..buy, but 10lb bags from pathmark on sale for 5.99!!! Same deal I guess lol. The fact it is not organic doesn't mean jack shit. If you wanna waste money on organic preground brown rice flour, by all means go for it, but your grow will not go any better because of it. I've been using this stuff since day one, zero contams, and the myce eats it up QUICK AS FUCK!

I prefer whole grain rice as upposed to preground because #1, you can make it more coarse #2 it's 1/4 the price, #3 IMO it's fresher, you are gridning it up seconds before it goes into your jar (but that might not be true).

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    #15078077 - 09/14/11 12:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

hahah yeah who knows, i know organic is good for us human-mushrooms but mycelium seems pretty happy without it.

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: marijuana dan]
    #15079474 - 09/14/11 06:54 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The pot never locked and it boiled away 3-4 inches of water, if this happens then yes you should see black inside your pc,because it is bad. I use a fire stove, thanks for everything buffer i appreciate it.

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: marijuana dan]
    #15082237 - 09/15/11 10:34 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

To be honest i think im just going to go with steam sterilization from here on out. I am tired of the high temperature from pc
s solidifying the substrate inside the jar as well as cooking away the perfect moisture level that took me a while to get to. I also dislike the vaccum effct it creates (even if i turn off the stove and walk away from the pc until the next day)

When i steam sterilize the substrate remains just as loose and airy as when i first mixed it. I just think if you have very very fine (flour like) verm, and very very very fine brf. Than you really dont need to PC it, steam works even better.

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    #15082322 - 09/15/11 10:56 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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When I first read the pressure cook is a must, I figured I not say anything, but you simply need to bring the medium in question to given temp to kill spores and/or source of contam in medium, sterilization is not distinct to pressure. Before I am flamed, let me then say pressure is the most effective way of penetrating heat into, and agitating the medium at a molecular, and micro level.




Do you like, walk around you house thinking "Golly gee I sure hope friction doesn't stop existing because not only will I not have enough grip to propel myself forward to walk, I will cease to be able stand thus letting gravity take it's effect on my mass having body and potentially giving me a concussion due to the fact that i will fall in a bit of a Fibonacci sequence whipping action relative to velocity with my head being the greatest number in the sequence."

And if you don't get that Then let my buddy Mitch try and explain. "My friend said to me "I think the weather's trippy." And I said "No man, it's not the weather that's trippy. Perhaps it is the way that we percieve it that is indeed trippy." Then I thought "man, I should have just said 'yeah'."

How is this an 8 page discussion by the way??? I read page 1 and 8 and was surprised to see that the topic hadn't progressed at all and maybe even went backwards in terms of skill. I also didn't check dates either from OP to now but damn! Use the search! It is your friend. Sorry for the troll but damn people

And to answer dude above me. Don't waste your money, just use what you have and on the floaty thing that rattles when you have your PC heated there should be numbers next to each hole. put the one that says 15 down onto the steam outlet. reduce heat if it rattles more than 3 or 4 time a minute




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    #23545045 - 08/15/16 06:59 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

I realy woulx like to no the sgeps in steraliseing the cakes by steem

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    #23545057 - 08/15/16 07:06 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

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I realy woulx like to no the sgeps in steraliseing the cakes by steem




http://www.mushroomvideos.com/BRF-Pf-Tek

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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15223324/fpart/1/vc/1

scroll down to where it says steaming

I hope english is your second language?

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