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growing mushrooms without pressure cooker
    #11723295 - 12/26/09 09:28 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

is this possible...also i am willing to spend $50 dollars on items such as verm etc...what should i use as casing mix if im willing to spend only $50


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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: Feed_your_head]
    #11723301 - 12/26/09 09:30 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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is this possible...also i am willing to spend $50 dollars on items such as verm etc...what should i use as casing mix if im willing to spend only $50




Using the pf tek method (brf cakes), I didn't use a PC to sterilize -- I just steamed the jars (filled with the brf/verm + verm layer) for about three hours and then let them cool overnight.  No contaminants at all, even with one jar that was cracked during the process!

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: Feed_your_head]
    #11723302 - 12/26/09 09:30 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

www.mushroomvideos.com

BRF tek

It's all under 50$ total.

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: Feed_your_head]
    #11723306 - 12/26/09 09:32 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

of course. steam sterilize in a pot using the pftek.

click a few of the stickies at the top of this board to get a start, then check out some mushroom growing videos. RR's are a good place to begin, he lays it out step by step in a very uncomplicated manner that anybody with half a brain can understand and follow.

"casing" is a term used for a non-nutritive layer ontop of a bulk substrate (trays or tubs) to help with the microclimate and pin development.

you can spawn pftek jars to poo/coir/straw etc but its not very economical, so i would suggest sticking with cakes until then.


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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: Feed_your_head]
    #11723307 - 12/26/09 09:32 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Yes, it is very possible to cultivate shrooms, without a PC, a PC is a good tool tho for more invested cultivators, it is useful for bulk grows, http://www.shroomery.org/20/Casing-Procedures ; has all the casing teks, I'm guessing you're getting ready for your first grow??? , since you're looking for casing teks, meaning you're gonna do casings, it would be a good idea to invest in a PC

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: GoodTimez101]
    #11723398 - 12/26/09 10:05 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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GoodTimez101 said:
Yes, it is very possible to cultivate shrooms, without a PC, a PC is a good tool tho for more invested cultivators, it is useful for bulk grows, http://www.shroomery.org/20/Casing-Procedures ;  has all the casing teks, I'm guessing you're getting ready for your first grow??? , since you're looking for casing teks, meaning you're gonna do casings, it would be a good idea to invest in a PC




in the interest of correct terminology being used as much as possible on this board, call it "bulk" or "tubs" or anything else besides "casings"

casing is when you add a non-nutritive layer to the top of your substrate to assist in the micro climate for your pin development.

essentially, when one rolls their cake in vermiculite, they are "casing"


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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: NGC6705]
    #11724548 - 12/27/09 04:31 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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NGC6705 said:

Using the pf tek method (brf cakes), I didn't use a PC to sterilize -- I just steamed the jars (filled with the brf/verm + verm layer) for about three hours and then let them cool overnight.  No contaminants at all, even with one jar that was cracked during the process!

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Exactly, except that 90 mins is enough (for half pint jars). Just double the PCing time. Fot bigger jars the time is also more.


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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: MissShroom]
    #11724808 - 12/27/09 07:16 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

u can sterlize with bleach. i hear thats what they do commercialy and in the 'smoothie tek'. Also research fractal sterilization.

smoothie tek
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7478182/fpart/1/vc/1

edit.. sry  its called fractional sterilization

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: Ogla]
    #11724852 - 12/27/09 07:40 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I would steam sterilize PF tek for 3-4hrs but you will still lose some....wbs and grains wont work with steam sterilization most of the time....why don't you just get a PC for like $30 on ebay, you really need it. Otherwise you will waste tons of cash on failures...


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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: rizingfire]
    #11724867 - 12/27/09 07:46 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Just buy a PC. You won't waste your time growing nasty shit you don't want to grow. You can get one at a lot of places for pretty cheap.

If you're going to "steam sterilize" I would do it multiple times over a few days. You will have a higher success rate. (AKA fractional sterilization)

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: rizingfire]
    #11725192 - 12/27/09 09:34 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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I would steam sterilize PF tek for 3-4hrs but you will still lose some....




No, you won't unless your inoculant is contaminated or your procedure is not sterile.  1/2 pint brf/pf cakes are considered sterilized after 90 minutes in steam as shown in the brf tek videos.
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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: Messiah of Savants]
    #11725213 - 12/27/09 09:39 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I've steam sterilized 18 pf jars, just put in a big pot and steamed for 90 mins. No contams whatsoever. Just make sure that your sterile technique is good, pay attention to directions, and you should be just fine! Check out pf tek for simple minds, or RR's videos.:thumbup:

I would suggest spawning your colonized jars to poo or coir. I spawned my first set of jars to horse poo (which you can get for free, check craigslist), and a couple days ago I put those trays in the fruiting chamber. The growth is incredible! They're progressing much faster than the pf cake that I put in there a week before. It's not really that much of an extra step, and you can get bigger yields than you could with just cakes.

Personally, I'd wait to get the pc till you can better afford it, unless you can find a cheap one on craigslist or at a thrift shop. I don't plan on getting a pc until the fruits of my labor provide me with the means to purchase one. Then I'll find a reasonably priced one. This seems to be the kind of hobby that can pay for itself after a while, if you're patient and that's your intent.

For a casing mix, I've seen some people around here use Jiffy Mix. It's like 50/50, but premixed. Do a search on it. I've never used it myself, but a bag costs about 3 or 4 bucks. If you spawn to poo, you don't really have to use a casing layer if you don't want to since it holds a lot of moisture on it's own.


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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: Sinoc]
    #11725312 - 12/27/09 10:04 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Sinoc said:
www.mushroomvideos.com

BRF tek

It's all under 50$ total.



it sure would be nice, i suppose for some people, to have all the grow TEC's be listed in order of money cost. may be a time cost list too.
myself, i don't get it. everything costs, right? as does everything pay.

gosh fifty bucks is like 3 movies now-a-days, look closley at the TEC's, the good ones DON'T USE THE WORD "OR".
i don't know what the end game is for everyone, but this science hobby is to me incalcuable in terms of value i get from fully endevoring myself, my time, and resources into.

cutting corners, skipping/ommitting steps, doing it on "the cheap" ain't what science(a learning endevor) is all about.

just try to quantify the "payoff" and see how the math comes out.

and for the love of shrooms, get a little pocket change together befor you start.

~stinky~

p.s. buy a pressure cooker, you can make wickkid good squash and turnup in it too. you're gonna love it!


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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: stinkfoot4]
    #11725340 - 12/27/09 10:10 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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p.s. buy a pressure cooker, you can make wickkid good squash and turnup in it too. you're gonna love it!




Or lobster, which, after steaming for ten minutes is placed on the BBQ grill until slightly toasted, then dipped in butter and. . . . :tongue:
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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #11725439 - 12/27/09 10:33 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

i always feel bad for that little guy when i see that pic
their sad little screams as they go for a swim in a tasty yet hot broth


but the rewards of having to hear them suffer
and seeing the sad looks on their faces


so yea for PF tek 90 min is fine

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: noobieshroomie]
    #11725674 - 12/27/09 11:33 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not sure if the same deal will be available at your local target, but i found a fairly nice pressure cooker reduced from ~$45 to $21 at mine the other day.
They're not very hard to acquire.

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: noobieshroomie]
    #11725761 - 12/27/09 11:49 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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i always feel bad for that little guy when i see that pic
their sad little screams as they go for a swim in a tasty yet hot broth


but the rewards of having to hear them suffer
and seeing the sad looks on their faces


so yea for PF tek 90 min is fine

      -noobie-



if you eat a mushroom off a cake and nobody else sees but you, the mushroom you are eating, and the other mushrooms on the cake. do the mushrooms not being eaten feel the event?

'round where i live pressure cookers are just standard household objects, like T.V.'s frididgeairs and drive ways, hence my puzzlement about this steaming issue.

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: stinkfoot4]
    #14964253 - 08/23/11 05:01 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

ok i am going to do an experiment that i hope works.

-1 cup fine verm spread out on a sheet of tin foil and put in oven at  400F

-Half cup brown rice (manually grounded to flour) spread out on a sheet of tin foil and put in the oven alongside the verm both at 400F for about 15-20 minutes.

-Half cup unopened poland spring water bottle

-4CC Spore syringe Solution

-Mix everything together very well in a large sterile bowl

-fill up jars, top off with verm, pretend pressure cookers never existed.

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: marijuana dan]
    #14964553 - 08/23/11 07:36 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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marijuana dan said:
ok i am going to do an experiment that i hope works.

-1 cup fine verm spread out on a sheet of tin foil and put in oven at  400F

-Half cup brown rice (manually grounded to flour) spread out on a sheet of tin foil and put in the oven alongside the verm both at 400F for about 15-20 minutes.

-Half cup unopened poland spring water bottle

-4CC Spore syringe Solution

-Mix everything together very well in a large sterile bowl

-fill up jars, top off with verm, pretend pressure cookers never existed.




Okay, well putting the verm and rice flour in the oven is all fine and dandy it will be sterilized. But when you pull it out to put it all in the bowl bacteria and mold in the air is going to get on it. 
Sterile bowl? how so, alcohol?
You can try this but your chances of success are minimal.
What you really need to do is go to this website and follow the directions EXACTLY.  Roger's PF-Tek video guide  It's cheap and very beginner friendly.

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Re: growing mushrooms without pressure cooker [Re: marijuana dan]
    #14964561 - 08/23/11 07:40 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

that's not gonna work.


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