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LoWgRoW
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Mushroom fruit to inoculate straight coir?
#11723246 - 12/26/09 09:10 PM (15 years, 24 days ago) |
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I was wondering if you could just take mushroom fruit, and mix it up with pasteurized coir? I have taken small fruits and inoculated grain jars with success. Could you then case and fruit that inoculated coir? Would it be fruitful or not because Myc is old? I searched the forum and could not find any info. Has anybody tried something similar?
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Re: Mushroom fruit to inoculate straight coir? [Re: LoWgRoW]
#11723357 - 12/26/09 09:52 PM (15 years, 24 days ago) |
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cloning a small amount of myc/fruitbody to a jar is one thing. I doubt you would have success trying to inoculate a large amount of any substrate though, especially if said substrate was not contained and completely sterile.
if your asking if you can substitute colonized spawn with ground up or pieces of a fruit body, then i would say no, no you cant.
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Re: Mushroom fruit to inoculate straight coir? [Re: Citizen13]
#11723911 - 12/27/09 12:17 AM (15 years, 24 days ago) |
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coir has no nutrients. its just used for bulk. nothing would happen at all. look up how to make an lc, put a piece of shroom in there, let it get cloudy, do a few test jars to make sure its not contammed and thennn do some grain jars.
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Re: Mushroom fruit to inoculate straight coir? [Re: oh_you_know]
#11724015 - 12/27/09 12:47 AM (15 years, 24 days ago) |
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If coir had no nutrients, than why would we use it as a bulk sub? Even verm as SOME nutrients...
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Re: Mushroom fruit to inoculate straight coir? [Re: LoWgRoW]
#11724535 - 12/27/09 04:23 AM (15 years, 24 days ago) |
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LoWgRoW said: I was wondering if you could just take mushroom fruit, and mix it up with pasteurized coir? I have taken small fruits and inoculated grain jars with success. Could you then case and fruit that inoculated coir? Would it be fruitful or not because Myc is old? I searched the forum and could not find any info. Has anybody tried something similar?
Why'd you do that? I mean I just can't make up any reason for anything like that. Instead you could eat your shrooms and take the myc, crumble it and mix with the coir. Myc can be used also after it has given fruits, have done that. Still I wouldn't use plain coir. Just can't find any base for your plan, it'd help if you could just a bit explain your reasons...
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Re: Mushroom fruit to inoculate straight coir? [Re: oh_you_know]
#11724735 - 12/27/09 06:38 AM (15 years, 24 days ago) |
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oh_you_know said: coir has no nutrients. its just used for bulk. nothing would happen at all. look up how to make an lc, put a piece of shroom in there, let it get cloudy, do a few test jars to make sure its not contammed and thennn do some grain jars.
coir most assuredly has plenty of nutrients. you are confused my friend.
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Re: Mushroom fruit to inoculate straight coir? [Re: MissShroom]
#11724738 - 12/27/09 06:39 AM (15 years, 24 days ago) |
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MissShroom said:
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LoWgRoW said: I was wondering if you could just take mushroom fruit, and mix it up with pasteurized coir? I have taken small fruits and inoculated grain jars with success. Could you then case and fruit that inoculated coir? Would it be fruitful or not because Myc is old? I searched the forum and could not find any info. Has anybody tried something similar?
Why'd you do that? I mean I just can't make up any reason for anything like that. Instead you could eat your shrooms and take the myc, crumble it and mix with the coir. Myc can be used also after it has given fruits, have done that. Still I wouldn't use plain coir. Just can't find any base for your plan, it'd help if you could just a bit explain your reasons...
without cleaning up the myc on agar, you would have a very low success rate, if any at all, when trying to spawn spent mycelium to coir.
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Re: Mushroom fruit to inoculate straight coir? [Re: Citizen13]
#11724810 - 12/27/09 07:19 AM (15 years, 24 days ago) |
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Thanks for the quick replies! The reason I ask, is that I read somewhere that some folk inoculate straw with mushrooms that they want to grow. I really wish I remember where I read it. This would be an easy way to expand your grow op. No?
I have used small mushrooms to inoculate jars of wbs with great success.
I've been growing for a bit now, I know how to make an lc, but rather do things as simple as possible. Why involve needles and jars etc.. when you could just take some fruits and pasteurized coir or straw, mix together and wait to colonize.
Somebody on this forum has to have tried it!
Also, is myc from my jars that I inoculated with mushrooms considered "old" myc or is it "fresh" isolated myc? Will it be slow? Catch my drift?
I really appreciate input from everybody.
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Re: Mushroom fruit to inoculate straight coir? [Re: LoWgRoW]
#11724846 - 12/27/09 07:38 AM (15 years, 24 days ago) |
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Chances are the coir would go bad before it was fully colonized, don't waste your time...just mix it with equal parts spawn and it will fully colonize in 3-5 days after mixing...
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Re: Mushroom fruit to inoculate straight coir? [Re: LoWgRoW]
#11724848 - 12/27/09 07:39 AM (15 years, 24 days ago) |
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It's possible and I've done it before. We do it on agar to clone tissue all the time. It's not much different. Use a small piece from inside the mushroom itself using a glovebox or flowhood and put it in your grain jars/bags.
I would never use it to start bulk subs though unless it's just coir and it was sterilized. Like mentioned, it may go bad before it finishes colonizing.
Edited by MessiahofSavants (12/27/09 07:42 AM)
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Re: Mushroom fruit to inoculate straight coir? [Re: Citizen13]
#11724927 - 12/27/09 08:14 AM (15 years, 24 days ago) |
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suicide said: It's possible and I've done it before. We do it on agar to clone tissue all the time. It's not much different. Use a small piece from inside the mushroom itself using a glovebox or flowhood and put it in your grain jars/bags.
I would never use it to start bulk subs though unless it's just coir and it was sterilized. Like mentioned, it may go bad before it finishes colonizing.
i was referring to this:
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MissShroom said: [Instead you could eat your shrooms and take the myc, crumble it and mix with the coir. Myc can be used also after it has given fruits, have done that.
transfering spent, mold spore laden, old mycelium into sterile jars with is very different then cleaning it up on agar first or cloning the inside of a fruit tissue.
very different.
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Re: Mushroom fruit to inoculate straight coir? [Re: Citizen13]
#11724941 - 12/27/09 08:18 AM (15 years, 24 days ago) |
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I wasn't referencing anything you or anyone else besides the original poster has said. There's already enough misinformation in this thread.
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transfering spent, mold spore laden, old mycelium into sterile jars
Why the hell would you do that in this situation? That's not what we're talking about.
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LoWgRoW
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This post is filled with misinformation.
I will just have to try myself. Thank you for all that replied.
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Citizen13
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Re: Mushroom fruit to inoculate straight coir? [Re: LoWgRoW]
#11725802 - 12/27/09 11:57 AM (15 years, 24 days ago) |
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LoWgRoW said: This post is filled with misinformation.
I will just have to try myself. Thank you for all that replied.
you will more than likely fail if you attempt to colonize any amount of non-sterilized coir with a fruitbodie 
the misinformation in this thread doesn't even pertain to your original question, so heed the good advice and don't do it.
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Re: Mushroom fruit to inoculate straight coir? [Re: Citizen13]
#11730229 - 12/28/09 07:11 AM (15 years, 23 days ago) |
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I never sterilize coir. I've always just pasteurized.
I will still give it a try, because I have not found anything that firmly suggest against it. I haven;t seen attempted. Again there seems to be mostly misinformation on this thread. Also no one has said anything about "old" myc question.
I wish a trusted cultivator chime in.
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Re: Mushroom fruit to inoculate straight coir? [Re: LoWgRoW]
#11730240 - 12/28/09 07:15 AM (15 years, 23 days ago) |
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Well try it and see. That's the best way to get an answer.
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Re: Mushroom fruit to inoculate straight coir? [Re: LoWgRoW]
#11730280 - 12/28/09 07:39 AM (15 years, 23 days ago) |
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I said I've done it before. I sterilized the jar of coir though because I didn't think the small amount of tissue I used would be fast enough to take over before any contam set in.
Also if the myc is old and yellow colored it may be dead and will not grow anymore.
The bigger question I have is why would you want todo this? There are better methods IMO.
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it could work i guess, but i was under the impression that coir alone is not that good of a substrate material. Personaly, i've used it a few times and dont care to use it unless im mixing it with another substrate. Coir is supposed to be non nutritious casing layer. Good for moisture, but i dont think mycelium will colonize on it as easy as your thinking
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Re: Mushroom fruit to inoculate straight coir? [Re: Ogla]
#11730340 - 12/28/09 08:03 AM (15 years, 23 days ago) |
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losfreddy said: it could work i guess, but i was under the impression that coir alone is not that good of a substrate material. Personaly, i've used it a few times and dont care to use it unless im mixing it with another substrate. Coir is supposed to be non nutritious casing layer. Good for moisture, but i dont think mycelium will colonize on it as easy as your thinking
that is very old/outdated information. coir makes a HORRIBLE casing layer due to the fact that it is in fact, very nutritious.
coir works great by itself and many people have proven this time and time again. I, as many people do, get wall to wall flushes using straight, uncased coir.
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Re: Mushroom fruit to inoculate straight coir? [Re: Citizen13]
#11730344 - 12/28/09 08:04 AM (15 years, 23 days ago) |
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losfreddy said: it could work i guess, but i was under the impression that coir alone is not that good of a substrate material. Personaly, i've used it a few times and dont care to use it unless im mixing it with another substrate. Coir is supposed to be non nutritious casing layer. Good for moisture, but i dont think mycelium will colonize on it as easy as your thinking
that is very old/outdated information. coir makes a HORRIBLE casing layer due to the fact that it is in fact, very nutritious.
coir works great by itself and many people have proven this time and time again. I, as many people do, get wall to wall flushes using straight, uncased coir.
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Re: Mushroom fruit to inoculate straight coir? [Re: LoWgRoW]
#11730357 - 12/28/09 08:11 AM (15 years, 23 days ago) |
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LoWgRoW said: I wish a trusted cultivator chime in.
I've read this whole thread twice and I'm still not sure what you're asking.
Coir is a fine bulk substrate material, but we don't clone into bulk substrates.
If your question about 'old' mycelium had to do with senescence due to cloning, it won't be a problem because I can't imagine a fruitbody reverting back to mycelium growth in coir, manure, straw, etc.
If you want to clone, learn agar work. It's not that difficult. RR
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Re: Mushroom fruit to inoculate straight coir? [Re: oh_you_know]
#11730678 - 12/28/09 09:50 AM (15 years, 23 days ago) |
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oh_you_know said: coir has no nutrients. its just used for bulk. nothing would happen at all. look up how to make an lc, put a piece of shroom in there, let it get cloudy, do a few test jars to make sure its not contammed and thennn do some grain jars.
No offense, but you routinely post stuff that isn't true. You should be conscious about the facts before actually posting such statements. I have seen this at least 3 times from you. Just be sure you actually KNOW that what you are saying is a fact. Don't just reiterate things you read on here as if you know them to be true. Anything that comes from what I say and anyone else that's credible is speaking from experience. While no one is right 100% of the time, if you speak from experience you can't be necessarily wrong. But by saying coir doesn't nute clearly indicates you are not speaking from experience.
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Re: Mushroom fruit to inoculate straight coir? [Re: daytripper05]
#11731203 - 12/28/09 11:52 AM (15 years, 23 days ago) |
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what 3 times are these? ive read coir as no nutes. people used to used coir and verm as a casing layer so the myc wouldnt colonize it. thats what ive read. i shall not answer questions anymore then. since im so misinformed
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Re: Mushroom fruit to inoculate straight coir? [Re: oh_you_know]
#11731228 - 12/28/09 11:58 AM (15 years, 23 days ago) |
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I can't remember the specifics. But I remembered your avatar several times I saw incorrect information. I am just saying when it comes to answering the question, you just best be sure it's totally true. And to know it's true you must speak from experience, not just reiterating what you read. It's ok to ask question and discuss just don't put it out there as concrete fact.
People use to use coir as a casing layer a lot more than they do now because of it's nutrition. It's mostly used a bulk substrate material now which I use myself. It's generally just peat moss and vermiculite with some oyster shell powder and some lime for the PH.
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Re: Mushroom fruit to inoculate straight coir? [Re: daytripper05]
#11731238 - 12/28/09 12:01 PM (15 years, 23 days ago) |
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i also use coir. its all i use. never used poop or anything.
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