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CaptainAhab


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Realistic yield of 1st time grow (B+)?
#11723164 - 12/26/09 08:49 PM (15 years, 24 days ago) |
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Hello everyone, I had a question (as a newbie to cultivation) that I was hoping someone might address, that being "How much can I expect as a yield with my 1st time using the rice cake method with 4 rice cakes?" I have been watching a video hosted on google videos that details the whole growing process, but it doesn't talk about yield. From the looks of the video, there are maybe a handful of 1/8th's produced from 3 cakes. Would you suggest that I use rye instead to have a larger surface area (seemingly, as it appears that the rye seed method produced many more mushrooms)? Thank you, everyone. Here's a link to the google video I was referencing in my post: &ei=Ktk2S4GxEY72qAP17cHeDg&q=mushroom+growing+made+easy&hl=en&view=3#
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Re: Realistic yield of 1st time grow (B+)? [Re: CaptainAhab]
#11723189 - 12/26/09 08:55 PM (15 years, 24 days ago) |
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Yield is a tricky thing to figure out. From 4 cakes you could get anywhere from 12 - 28 g, give or take. It all depends on how you take care of them and genetics. You make get cakes that don't fruit, or fruit poorly. I would still recommend PF TEK for your first attempt, I'm using Wild bird seed now and it's a pain in the ass. I have some jars colonizing but other were too wet. I'm sure I'll get it right after a few more tries, though. Go straight to grains however if you're trying to grow in bulk.
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CaptainAhab


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Re: Realistic yield of 1st time grow (B+)? [Re: m00nshine]
#11723261 - 12/26/09 09:16 PM (15 years, 24 days ago) |
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Thanks for the reply I've been reading your thread on the B+ strain (in your signature) and it is interesting, to say the least. I wish that I had more thorough knowledge of botany/mycology and identification, or I would know if I've taken B+ in the past. All in all, if this run doesn't give me super potent mushrooms or a super yield, no big deal. I'm not in this for money, and I'm not in it to just get high. Thanks again~~
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Re: Realistic yield of 1st time grow (B+)? [Re: m00nshine]
#11723264 - 12/26/09 09:18 PM (15 years, 24 days ago) |
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you can also keep harvesting your cakes. I read ea cake can have 3-5 flushes if you perform ea harvest carefully
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Citizen13
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Re: Realistic yield of 1st time grow (B+)? [Re: trishraymond]
#11723341 - 12/26/09 09:42 PM (15 years, 24 days ago) |
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if you get a 4 grams dry of a single cake, you should be content.
especially if it's your first grow.
yield is not realistically guessed since a quart of rye could be transferred to 20 more quarts, which could be spawned to an addition 10 gallons of substrate, which could yield many pounds of dry fruit.
just start a grow with a tek you feel comfortable with and see what you get. if that doesn't satisfy you, research more "bulk friendly" methods.
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Re: Realistic yield of 1st time grow (B+)? [Re: CaptainAhab]
#11723788 - 12/26/09 11:47 PM (15 years, 24 days ago) |
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You should be able to get 6 grams dry from a single cake at least. so 24 grams from your 4 cakes.
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oh_you_know
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Re: Realistic yield of 1st time grow (B+)? [Re: Shea25]
#11723859 - 12/27/09 12:06 AM (15 years, 24 days ago) |
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24 grams is not realistic. from 4 cakes youll get about 15 grams dry. i have not read many good things about B+. and i dont like this video very much. green mold isnt penicillin. its trich. this is obviously a noob video since the second contam is labeled "unknown contam" also his fruiting chamber has no holes or anything and he doesnt mention fresh air exchange....go to youtube and look up RRs videos. ill look for a link. his video is one of the sponsor banners.
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Shea25
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Re: Realistic yield of 1st time grow (B+)? [Re: oh_you_know]
#11723903 - 12/27/09 12:16 AM (15 years, 24 days ago) |
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Sure is I get constantly around 10 dry grams minimum from single cakes. 15 dry grams from 4 cake is realllly bad thats only 4 grams dry per cake including all 3 flushes thats not good at all. If everything is done well and right you should be able to get 6 dry grams per cake
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Re: Realistic yield of 1st time grow (B+)? [Re: Shea25]
#11723914 - 12/27/09 12:18 AM (15 years, 24 days ago) |
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and you use standard pf tek? do you fan and mist perfect? i jsut let mine go and dont worry much
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Re: Realistic yield of 1st time grow (B+)? [Re: oh_you_know]
#11723921 - 12/27/09 12:21 AM (15 years, 24 days ago) |
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Of coarse I take the up most care of anything I grow. I do a standard PF cake with gypsum look at the link in my sig
Here a pic of mushrooms from 2 cakes single flush came to just under 19 dry grams

And heres another

Edited by Shea25 (12/27/09 12:21 AM)
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Re: Realistic yield of 1st time grow (B+)? [Re: Shea25]
#11723934 - 12/27/09 12:24 AM (15 years, 24 days ago) |
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I do a standard PF cake with gypsum look at the link in my sig
gypsum is not standard at all. the stadard pf tek is 2 cups verm 1 cup brf and 1 cup water. the gypsum is a huge boost with mushies. do a side by side grow. clone a fruit with an lc. make 2 or 3 jars with the actual standard pf tek and ur version of pf tek and use the same lc to innoc the 4 or 6 jars. side by side test. pics, dates, weights. let us know what happens
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Re: Realistic yield of 1st time grow (B+)? [Re: Shea25]
#11723948 - 12/27/09 12:27 AM (15 years, 24 days ago) |
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go to youtube and look up lets grow mushrooms pf tek
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Re: Realistic yield of 1st time grow (B+)? [Re: trashcan]
#11723961 - 12/27/09 12:32 AM (15 years, 24 days ago) |
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^^^^ for reals
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Shea25
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Re: Realistic yield of 1st time grow (B+)? [Re: oh_you_know]
#11723962 - 12/27/09 12:32 AM (15 years, 24 days ago) |
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gypsum is not standard at all. the stadard pf tek is 2 cups verm 1 cup brf and 1 cup water. the gypsum is a huge boost with mushies. do a side by side grow. clone a fruit with an lc. make 2 or 3 jars with the actual standard pf tek and ur version of pf tek and use the same lc to innoc the 4 or 6 jars. side by side test. pics, dates, weights. let us know what happens
Man I know thats the standard tek. When I wrote standard PF tek plus gypsum I was saying i am using the standard ingredients and ratios of the PF tek plus gypsum its kind of self explanatory. Why would I do all that work to just let you know that gypsum does help thats already a fact. I have done hundreds of cake with and without it
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go to youtube and look up lets grow mushrooms pf tek
Why would you tell me to look that up, I know the tek inside and out I have wrote out my own tek on it and improved it. I have been doing this for ALONG time. Im the last person that needs to look up that tek. I have done hundreds of cake with and without gypsum
Edited by Shea25 (12/27/09 12:38 AM)
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CaptainAhab


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Re: Realistic yield of 1st time grow (B+)? [Re: trashcan]
#11723974 - 12/27/09 12:35 AM (15 years, 24 days ago) |
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you guys are all full of good info! Thank you for all the replies, so far
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Re: Realistic yield of 1st time grow (B+)? [Re: CaptainAhab]
#11723995 - 12/27/09 12:42 AM (15 years, 24 days ago) |
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lol shea25 i was putting that for the op not you
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Re: Realistic yield of 1st time grow (B+)? [Re: trashcan]
#11723997 - 12/27/09 12:43 AM (15 years, 24 days ago) |
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Ah ic. I thought you were talking to me since it was a reply to me so it says
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Re: Realistic yield of 1st time grow (B+)? [Re: Shea25]
#11724010 - 12/27/09 12:45 AM (15 years, 24 days ago) |
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sorry for the confusion
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Re: Realistic yield of 1st time grow (B+)? [Re: trashcan]
#11724157 - 12/27/09 01:24 AM (15 years, 24 days ago) |
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For a first grow, You should be happy with 4g a cake. If you get more then good for you but don't get your hopes up.
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oh_you_know
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Re: Realistic yield of 1st time grow (B+)? [Re: demonkinsin]
#11731303 - 12/28/09 12:13 PM (15 years, 23 days ago) |
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im currently trying the same idea as pf tek, but replacing brf with wild bird seed flour. i read it colonizes faster and is more nutes, i added a little coffee and may try again with some gypsum. have you tried that shea? any input on that?
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Re: Realistic yield of 1st time grow (B+)? [Re: oh_you_know]
#11731428 - 12/28/09 12:38 PM (15 years, 23 days ago) |
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WBS flower? Did you grind that up yourself? I have never heard of using that before. Why not just use BRF like the tek? I doubt you will get better results than Shea's PF Tek with WBS flower but it's worth a shot. I don't mess with cakes much but I know there is a reason why BRF is the most recommended to use, I just don't know what the reason is.
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Re: Realistic yield of 1st time grow (B+)? [Re: daytripper05]
#11735238 - 12/29/09 12:41 AM (15 years, 22 days ago) |
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well i was looking to increase yeild, and idk what my problem is with grain. cant get the right moisture content. also been the same problem ive had with cakes the past few times. i think i used too much liquid to innoc cause ive been getting trich towards the bottom but in a few jars that i innoced the same way i used less liquid and no trich so far. knock on wood. and ive been using the same lc. so i posted a thread about using coffee and or gypsum in my brf cakes and someone sent me to a link of a tek using wild bird seed flour. yeah i had to grind it myself. i had about 2 pints of fully colonized wbs and i mixed it with 4.5 pints of the wbsf mix and it fully colonized in less than a week and its a nice block of solid healthy myc. im just having fruiting chamber problems. im thinkin about an oz dry off this giant cake! fingers crossed
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Re: Realistic yield of 1st time grow (B+)? [Re: oh_you_know]
#11735884 - 12/29/09 04:52 AM (15 years, 22 days ago) |
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ive been getting trich towards the bottom but in a few jars that i innoced the same way i used less liquid and no trich so far. knock on wood. and ive been using the same lc.
TOSS IT!!!!111!
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Re: Realistic yield of 1st time grow (B+)? [Re: Doc_T]
#11735986 - 12/29/09 06:30 AM (15 years, 22 days ago) |
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using to much liquid isnt the cause of trich. Once your substrate is sterilised contamination is usually always introduced at inoculation.
www.mushroomvideos.com and watch the pf tek vidoes there. that video that was posted is a little old.
Make sure you inoculate in a glovebox, and flame sterilise your needle red hot before each jar.
Yeild from cakes can vary. ginetics play a big role.
as an example my last set of cake grows were giving me 50g wet on the first flush and again 50g wet on the 2nd flush. So 10g dry per cake is achievable sometimes more. And i was using soda bottles as fruiting chambers (all about FAE misting to replace moisture and good lighting :-) )
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Re: Realistic yield of 1st time grow (B+)? [Re: oh_you_know]
#11736294 - 12/29/09 09:12 AM (15 years, 22 days ago) |
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oh_you_know said:
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I do a standard PF cake with gypsum look at the link in my sig
gypsum is not standard at all. the stadard pf tek is 2 cups verm 1 cup brf and 1 cup water. the gypsum is a huge boost with mushies. do a side by side grow. clone a fruit with an lc. make 2 or 3 jars with the actual standard pf tek and ur version of pf tek and use the same lc to innoc the 4 or 6 jars. side by side test. pics, dates, weights. let us know what happens
Can I use oyster shell powder or calci-sand in brf instead of gypsum and get these better results???
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Re: Realistic yield of 1st time grow (B+)? [Re: Doc_T]
#11736310 - 12/29/09 09:16 AM (15 years, 22 days ago) |
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Doc_T said:
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ive been getting trich towards the bottom but in a few jars that i innoced the same way i used less liquid and no trich so far. knock on wood. and ive been using the same lc.
TOSS IT!!!!111!
i used the same lc and got trich in a few not all of them...? so i didnt think it was the lc
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Re: Realistic yield of 1st time grow (B+)? [Re: jim617]
#11736311 - 12/29/09 09:16 AM (15 years, 22 days ago) |
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Simply put, no. Those are the same thing as gypsum, nor are they used for the same purpose as gypsum. Call the good garden stores around for bags of gypsum. I got a 40lb bag for $8. It wasn't that cheap, but it's a lot better than crushing drywall.
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