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Re: Realistic yield of 1st time grow (B+)? [Re: oh_you_know]
    #11731428 - 12/28/09 12:38 PM (15 years, 23 days ago)

WBS flower? Did you grind that up yourself? I have never heard of using that before. Why not just use BRF like the tek? I doubt you will get better results than Shea's PF Tek with WBS flower but it's worth a shot. I don't mess with cakes much but I know there is a reason why BRF is the most recommended to use, I just don't know what the reason is.

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Re: Realistic yield of 1st time grow (B+)? [Re: daytripper05]
    #11735238 - 12/29/09 12:41 AM (15 years, 22 days ago)

well i was looking to increase yeild, and idk what my problem is with grain. cant get the right moisture content. also been the same problem ive had with cakes the past few times. i think i used too much liquid to innoc cause ive been getting trich towards the bottom but in a few jars that i innoced the same way i used less liquid and no trich so far. knock on wood. and ive been using the same lc. so i posted a thread about using coffee and or gypsum in my brf cakes and someone sent me to a link of a tek using wild bird seed flour. yeah i had to grind it myself. i had about 2 pints of fully colonized wbs and i mixed it with 4.5 pints of the wbsf mix and it fully colonized in less than a week and its a nice block of solid healthy myc. im just having fruiting chamber problems. im thinkin about an oz dry off this giant cake! fingers crossed


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Re: Realistic yield of 1st time grow (B+)? [Re: oh_you_know]
    #11735884 - 12/29/09 04:52 AM (15 years, 22 days ago)

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ive been getting trich towards the bottom but in a few jars that i innoced the same way i used less liquid and no trich so far. knock on wood. and ive been using the same lc.




:facepalm: TOSS IT!!!!111!


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Re: Realistic yield of 1st time grow (B+)? [Re: Doc_T]
    #11735986 - 12/29/09 06:30 AM (15 years, 22 days ago)

using to much liquid isnt the cause of trich. Once your substrate is sterilised contamination is usually always introduced at inoculation.

www.mushroomvideos.com and watch the pf tek vidoes there. that video that was posted is a little old.

Make sure you inoculate in a glovebox, and flame sterilise your needle red hot before each jar.

Yeild from cakes can vary. ginetics play a big role.

as an example my last set of cake grows were giving me 50g wet on the first flush and again 50g wet on the 2nd flush. So 10g dry per cake is achievable sometimes more. And i was using soda bottles as fruiting chambers (all about FAE misting to replace moisture and good lighting :-) )


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Re: Realistic yield of 1st time grow (B+)? [Re: oh_you_know]
    #11736294 - 12/29/09 09:12 AM (15 years, 22 days ago)

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I do a standard PF cake with gypsum look at the link in my sig




gypsum is not standard at all. the stadard pf tek is 2 cups verm 1 cup brf and 1 cup water. the gypsum is a huge boost with mushies. do a side by side grow. clone a fruit with an lc. make 2 or 3 jars with the actual standard pf tek and ur version of pf tek and use the same lc to innoc the 4 or 6 jars. side by side test. pics, dates, weights. let us know what happens






Can I use oyster shell powder or calci-sand in brf instead of gypsum and get these better results???


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Re: Realistic yield of 1st time grow (B+)? [Re: Doc_T]
    #11736310 - 12/29/09 09:16 AM (15 years, 22 days ago)

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ive been getting trich towards the bottom but in a few jars that i innoced the same way i used less liquid and no trich so far. knock on wood. and ive been using the same lc.




:facepalm: TOSS IT!!!!111!



i used the same lc and got trich in a few not all of them...? so i didnt think it was the lc


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Re: Realistic yield of 1st time grow (B+)? [Re: jim617]
    #11736311 - 12/29/09 09:16 AM (15 years, 22 days ago)

Simply put, no. Those are the same thing as gypsum, nor are they used for the same purpose as gypsum. Call the good garden stores around for bags of gypsum. I got a 40lb bag for $8. It wasn't that cheap, but it's a lot better than crushing drywall.

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